Surprised this hasn't been brought up at all, but I am getting sick and tired of those who play the race card and blow things out of proportion for no reason at all than to get attention.

The news stories keep changing and removing little tidbits that were there before, but from what I've read he apparently refused to show I.D. and immediately accused the police of being racist, while yelling loudly and thus being charged originally with misconduct.

Obama of course has jumped on the gun, saying "I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played," yet he still says the police made a "stupid mistake." Maybe he should wait for all the facts before making such a public judgement?

Charges dropped from all the attention, but in my opinion his release and all this mess is representative of favoritist (reverse) racism.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/22/harvard.gates.interview/index.html

Surprised this hasn't been brought up at all, but I am getting sick and tired of those who play the race card and blow things out of proportion for no reason at all than to get attention.

The news stories keep changing and removing little tidbits that were there before, but from what I've read he apparently refused to show I.D. and immediately accused the police of being racist, while yelling loudly and thus being charged originally with misconduct.

Obama of course has jumped on the gun, saying "I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played," yet he still says the police made a "stupid mistake." Maybe he should wait for all the facts before making such a public judgement?

Charges dropped from all the attention, but in my opinion his release and all this mess is representative of favoritist (reverse) racism.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/22/harvard.gates.interview/index.html


What I bolded seems to oversimplify what I've read about this situation. From what I read on various news sites a couple days ago, it certainly seemed like a case of the police treating him in a certain way because of the color of his skin. Of course the media could have been sensationalizing it too, which would be no surprise either.

I can tell you what though, if I were in my own home and police came to my door accusing me of breaking into my home thus requiring me to present ID when I was in my own home, I'd be belligerent too.

Also, you quoted Obama just to achieve what you want to convey in your post. His entire quote is

"But I think it's fair to say, No. 1, any of us would be pretty angry; No. 2, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home; and, No. 3 ... that there's a long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately."

You know what? Everything he said is true. I'd be angry. Arresting someone for being angry when they are being questioned about being in their own home IS stupid. There IS a long history of minorities being treated differently by law enforcement.

I don't understand....

Why were the police at his house investigating a break in? Who reported it? I think there's more to the story all the way around personally.

I can tell you what though, if I were in my own home and police came to my door accusing me of breaking into my home thus requiring me to present ID when I was in my own home, I'd be belligerent too.

when Crowley told Gates that he was investigating a possible break-in, Gates opened the front door and exclaimed, "Why, because I'm a black man in America?" the report said.

You wouldn't want the police to double check that whoever had broken in did in fact belong? If someone did break in and the police didn't check, they'd probably be sued.

If anything's wrong here, it's that the cop seemed bent on "getting" him for anything he could after the situation escalated. He should've been above that.

Bringing race into it is absurd though. Making it a divisive issue ensures that any underlying problem(s) won't be rationally addressed.

Bringing race into it is absurd though. Making it a divisive issue ensures that any underlying problem(s) won't be rationally addressed.


I don't know, when the Mayor says this type of thing can't happen in Cambridge, that seems to imply to me that she knows that race did play factor in what ultimately happened.

I don't understand....

Why were the police at his house investigating a break in? Who reported it? I think there's more to the story all the way around personally.

Woman across the street from his home.

From what I've seen of the picture of the prof., it appeared to be daytime. You'd think she'd recognize her neighbor.

I don't know, when the Mayor says this type of thing can't happen in Cambridge, that seems to imply to me that she knows that race did play factor in what ultimately happened.

She knows what's politically correct and expedient to say/do and doesn't want the NAACP leading legal action against her city.

The problem is he was charged with disorderly conduct, in his home? So yelling in your own home warrants an arrest?

The police did act stupidly. The man, probably as anyone would be, was a bit confused as to why after he went in his house the police just walked in. They did not knock. He was immediately asked who he was, he said who he was. The officer demanded ID and at first, as probably most people would be, he was hesitant as he was likely bewildered a bit. He then showed him his ID, at that point the officer determined he did live there and yet the officer still held him while both the campus police and the Harvard administration were contacted.

He was pretty angered as I think anyone would be and then to top it all off the officer in an act of I got you then arrests him for disorderly conduct. You can pretty much do anything in your home, you can hack up all your furniture with an axe and you cannot be arrested for disorderly conduct, you can throw gallons of paint across your walls and that is not anything that is a chargeable offense, but I guess what you cannot do is admonish a police officer that you feel is being disrespectful of you in your house because that is disorderly conduct.

Bottom line is that you cannot be charged with disorderly conduct in your own home and that is why the charges were dropped right away making it a wrongful arrest at the very least.

Also, you quoted Obama just to achieve what you want to convey in your post. His entire quote is

On the contrary, I took it directly from the CNN article for convenience. "Stupid mistake" being from the article title, and "I don't know..." taken directly from the article body.

As I mentioned before, the articles keep changing. Originally the articles said he was on the doorstep of his home, trying to force the door in. Now he was magically in his home apparently already minding his own business. Originally all articles said that he flat-out refused to show I.D., now suddenly it's reported that he provided a driver license/school I.D.

Maybe the real facts are coming out, but too bad there was no video of the incident. In any case, I am sure that the whole thing will be epicly blown out of proportion even more than it already has.

I am not racist, but these days people play the race card too hard. We should all be colorblind, figuratively speaking.

Race is always bloody involved - don't kid yourself.

On the other hand, not screaming race might be the high road, and instead focus on police misconduct, if any existed.

There was a comment on the radio the other day that video should be required for all police actions, especially warrant searches. Not sure I'd want a job where I was constantly being watched, but it would clear up cases like this. All we have is he said/she said now.

Unfortunately for the police recent events around the country have continually shown their ignorance and bias. In my opinion once identity was established the police officer should have just let it go. The problem is too many officers demand "respect" and do not care at what price they try to go to gain it. It is really tarnishing the public's opinion of them.

Race is always bloody involved - don't kid yourself.


You are likely correct, but if it was the cop will never admit it and the Prof will always think race is involved...how many of the white homeowners in the neighborhood have had that happen to them?

Race is always bloody involved - don't kid yourself.

If you think race is always involved, then that's even more reason that this isn't unusual enough to justify all the sensationalism. If race is always involved, that's even more reason they should focus on the rules, and not media/political hype.

Meanwhile, I don't see Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, or The President standing up to help this white woman: http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=82447

Perhaps they're racist in their compassion!

The police did act stupidly. The man, probably as anyone would be, was a bit confused as to why after he went in his house the police just walked in. They did not knock. He was immediately asked who he was, he said who he was. The officer demanded ID and at first, as probably most people would be, he was hesitant as he was likely bewildered a bit. He then showed him his ID, at that point the officer determined he did live there and yet the officer still held him while both the campus police and the Harvard administration were contacted.

That doesn't jive with any other accounts I've heard. Do you have a source for that?

On the contrary, I took it directly from the CNN article for convenience. "Stupid mistake" being from the article title, and "I don't know..." taken directly from the article body.


The complete transcript of the President's statement is available like, everywhere, and it's not TL;DR because he took a minute to respond to a question from a reporter specifically about racial profiling.

Obama makes a few jokes (http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/07/obama_cambridge.html)

The real crime here is the 24-hour news morons reducing a 2 paragraph comment to 3 words because apparently off-the-cuff comments that include dozens of qualifying statements are legal writs of execution at CNN, and more important than the multiple hours of health care debate prior to it.

I'm personally inclined to believe the professor was mouthing off to a cop and, in trying to push his buttons, succeeded more than he hoped. This is all so hopelessly politicized now we'll probably never find out what happened.

"But I think it's fair to say, No. 1, any of us would be pretty angry; No. 2, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home; and, No. 3 ... that there's a long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately."

You know what? Everything he said is true. I'd be angry. Arresting someone for being angry when they are being questioned about being in their own home IS stupid. There IS a long history of minorities being treated differently by law enforcement.

Actually everything he said isn't true, only #1- people get angry when they get arrested. Which is pretty self-explanatory. I guess #3 is partially true to, but not in the way he wanted.

However, #2 he isn't comparing things things right. Cambridge police didn't arrest him for being in his own home or breaking into a home. He was arrested for disorderly conduct, i.e. - acting like an idiot. Cursing at and not cooperating with police is not the best way to resolve a situation.

#3 can be intepreted a few ways. But the way I see it 'disproportionately' means blacks and latinos being questioned by police more than other races. When in fact this is true because they are the ones creating the most crimes. Whenever I watch 48 Hours on A&E, the strong majority of the cases are focused on blacks and latinos :confused::confused::confused:

Disorderly Conduct is in PUBLIC, you can't be disorderly in PUBLIC when you are in your house which is PRIVATE. They did act stupidly in arresting him, exactly as our President said.

Get off my lawn!

Explain to me why this man was such a danger that he had to be cuffed and perp walked from his home?

Explain to me why this man was such a danger that he had to be cuffed and perp walked from his home?


OMG you don't know? because he is black...and you call yourself a white man.

In fairness, if a suspect is perceived as violent or a threat then handcuffing is standard - anyone being arrested in that case, according to the police side, should have been cuffed. Whether he reached that degree of violence or threat is the issue.

From the news I saw. The guys door was stuck. So he literally had to break his door in. The Neighbor saw someone smashing in a door and called the police. The police arrived and asked him to show identification. He refused at least for a while. Once again a big situation that could have been avoided just by being level headed and complying with a perfectly reasonable request.

Disorderly conduct is for being in Public, it does not apply if your in your own private home. They over reached in arresting and charging him with that, which they later had to drop. So yeah, i would agree the police acted stupidly, in that regard.

Heh.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090723/ap_on_re_us/us_harvard_scholar_disorderly

The white police sergeant criticized by President Barack Obama for arresting black scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. in his Massachusetts home is a police academy expert on understanding racial profiling.

Cambridge Sgt. James Crowley has taught a class about racial profiling for five years at the Lowell Police Academy after being hand-picked for the job by former police Commissioner Ronny Watson, who is black, said Academy Director Thomas Fleming.

The course, called "Racial Profiling," teaches about different cultures that officers could encounter in their community "and how you don't want to single people out because of their ethnic background or the culture they come from," Fleming said. The academy trains cadets for cities across the region.

...

Crowley responded to Gates' home near Harvard University last week to investigate a report of a burglary and demanded Gates show him identification. Police say Gates at first refused, flew into a rage and accused the officer of racism.

Gates' supporters maintain his arrest was a case of racial profiling. Officers were called to the home by a woman who said she saw "two black males with backpacks" trying to break in the front door. Gates has said he arrived home from an overseas trip and the door was jammed.

...

Fellow officers, black and white, say Crowley is well-liked and respected on the force. Crowley was a campus police officer at Brandeis University in July 1993 when he administered CPR trying to save the life of former Boston Celtics player Reggie Lewis. Lewis, who was black, collapsed and died during an off-season workout.

I can't be racist I have a friend who is black.

Did you ever find a source for what you posted earlier?

Bingo.

Crowley responded to Gates' home near Harvard University last week to investigate a report of a burglary and demanded Gates show him identification. Police say Gates at first refused, flew into a rage and accused the officer of racism.

This is the case in it's entirety. It takes a special kind of activist (and actually racist, though I guess in USA blacks cannot be racist) to escalate the situation to what it became. ANY NORMAL PERSON would expeditiously show the cop his ID and complied with any other request to prove this was not a burglary / ex-husband with restraining order breaking in / whatever else - and than thanked the officer for keeping the neighborhood safe.

The fact that charges were dropped does not prove the arrest was wrong... they were dropped because the black state governor and the black president chimed in and Rev Sharpton et al were setting up camp for some rallies... The DA's career would probably be hurt less from child porn found on his office computer than from taking on this bunch.

Did you ever find a source for what you posted earlier?


Just one of many things I heard on the news.

I really don't think the cop was racist. I think what was stupid was charging someone in his own home with disorderly conduct for yelling at the cop, that is what was stupid. The cop could have walked away and let the guy cool off, he wasn't a threat to anyone. But because he handcuffed the guy and basically hit him with a charge, that a first week criminal justice student would know had no merit, the issue became one of race.

Sometimes it's just better for the cop to walk away. The situation was innocuous particularly after it was established that the man was in his own home.

A badge, a gun and a superior attitude can also escalate a situation.

Yeah, the disorderly charge was clearly wrong. I just think it's silly how people are taking it and trying to grandstand a racism issue out of it. The same thing happens every day to people of every race.

The problem isn't racial profiling. The problem is you have some uppity ass Harvard professor who thinks he's above complying with a simple legal request for ID.

I had to bust out a window a few months back to get into my house after we locked the keys inside accidentally. (I thought the wife had her keys, and she thought I had mine... ooops!) I guess at the same time i was smashing the window and climbing through the local PD was driving on the road behind my house. They stopped by to check it out, asked me for my ID, and OMFGWTFBBQ!!!!!111!! I showed it to him, offered to show him a copy of my lease and not a damn thing happened to me.

Had the good professor decided to play the role of law-abiding citizen instead of victimized douche-bag this would have never gone anywhere.

Both the home owner and the police acted correctly and incorrectly.... In this case everyone did everything right and everything wrong..

It was profiling! They were stopping all the black men in that house!

The problem isn't racial profiling. The problem is you have some uppity ass Harvard professor who thinks he's above complying with a simple legal request for ID.While I agree he should have shown ID, there is no legal requirement to carry ID except when driving. We are not required to show papers in this country...yet. That said, you still make a good point.

While I agree he should have shown ID, there is no legal requirement to carry ID except when driving. We are not required to show papers in this country...yet. That said, you still make a good point.

What? Pretty sure there was a Supreme Court case a few years back that said you had to produce ID upon request as it is a minimal invasion of privacy.

http://www.civilliberties.org/spr99identification.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiibel_v._Sixth_Judicial_District_Court_of_Nevada
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_Identify_statutes

Less reliable, but interesting:
http://home.earthlink.net/~rdmadden/webdocs/Identify_Yourself.html

A little more intelligent:
http://www.nyclu.org/node/1310

I thought I had better resources. The general view is that you are required to identify yourself, but not to show ID unless you are participating in something requiring ID - driving, hunting maybe, things like that. Not that I think it's wise to antagonize police, and it's easier to just show your ID, but as of yet there isn't a national requirement to carry papers. I think, without reading all of them, that some states r

As much as I generally rail against police abuses and encroachments on the 4th Amendment, I just can't see a problem with demanding some sort of ID in that situation.

With a report of forced entry, how could the officers know that Gates was actually Gates? The real Gates could just as easily have been tied up in the basement. Had that been the case and he ended up dead, I'm sure it would've been racist that Crowley wasn't thorough enough because the house belonged to a black guy, right?

Virtually all the statutes about identification pertain to people who are not suspect of a crime. When the officer arrived at Gates' house, there was in fact suspicion of a crime with probable cause to arrest any occupants of the house. So the stop-and-identify rulings don't really apply here -- the officer had no means to determine whether or not a crime was in progress other than verifying identity (via some document or reliable statements from witnesses), the alternative being arresting Gates for breaking and entering and letting a court establish that it was his own property.

Now if there had been a break in and Gates was stopped walking down the street, that would be totally different, but he was, in effect, standing in a crime scene.

This morning on the radio driving to work they were saying that one of the two men had a crow bar which had been used to force the door. The emcee was asking how would the audience handle that situation: a call comes in of a possible break-in, you find two men in the home with one holding a crowbar, and you ask for ID at which point you are handed a stiff dose of belligerence. What would you have done?

One of the problems with this case is the many different stories we are getting from the media. I initially heard his key would not open the jammed lock at the front door so he went around to the back and entered there. A far cry from "breaking in" to his own house. But, that is just one of the versions.

Unfortunately, the folks who spend their weekends as "guest talking heads" on FOX and CNN and MSNBC and have already shown their position in the past, they are now able to pump up the volume on the racial inequities in this country, and spin this situation to meet their needs rather than allow it to be what it is.

Both the home owner and the police acted correctly and incorrectly.... In this case everyone did everything right and everything wrong..


That is a shockingly reasonable take from you.... did you finally eat those brownies I sent you?

It's all a sideshow to hide what is quickly becoming health care to help large corporate insurance giants make more profit.

I don't understand....

Why were the police at his house investigating a break in? Who reported it? I think there's more to the story all the way around personally.
The report at theSmokingGun has the name of the neighbor who called the initial report in: As I reached the door, a female voice called out to me. I turned and looked in the direction of the voice and observed a white female, later identified as Lucia Whalen. Whalen, who was standing on the sidewalk in front of her residence, held a wireless telephone in her hand and told me that it was her who called. She went on to tell me that she observed what appeared to be 2 black males with backpacks on the porch of __ Ware Street. She told me her suspicions were aroused when she observed one of the men wedging his shoulder into the door as if he were trying to force entry... Source (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0723092gates1.html)
This morning on the radio driving to work they were saying that one of the two men had a crow bar which had been used to force the door. The emcee was asking how would the audience handle that situation: a call comes in of a possible break-in, you find two men in the home with one holding a crowbar, and you ask for ID at which point you are handed a stiff dose of belligerence. What would you have done? A crowbar can be used as a deadly weapon. I'd draw my weapon and order the person to drop their weapon. In the deadly force continuum, it is recommended that an officer be 1 step above the other parties in order to maintain control of the situation. A crowbar is higher on that continuum than pepper spray and/or a taser. The only rational response would be to draw one's weapon.

The cop made a dumb arrest out of anger, and the professor was a goddamn idiot who has not learned to respect the law and appreciate the danger that police officers are in on a daily basis.

He should have shut his big mouth and done whatever the officer asked him, and he sure as hell would not have been taken in. This is not racism.

The other officer on the scene when the arrest was made was a black officer, and he said he fully supports the arresting officer's actions (as seen on the news clips being played as the 24/7 media continues to update this 'monumental' news story).

Apparently Obama, Gates and the police sergeant are going to discuss the situation over a beer:

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE56O1O420090725

This same thing happened to my dad except he proved he lived there and they left. But they came guns drawn! omg racists!

I also had heard, from a news report that he followed the police officer out of his house, and continued to be belligerent to him outside. Wouldn't that constitute as being in public?

And I wonder what kind of beer they will talk it over? Miller? Budweiser? An advertising firm is missing out on a golden opportunity here....

I also had heard, from a news report that he followed the police officer out of his house, and continued to be belligerent to him outside. Wouldn't that constitute as being in public?

And I wonder what kind of beer they will talk it over? Miller? Budweiser? An advertising firm is missing out on a golden opportunity here....

The following the officer outside screaming is why he got arrested.

it will be a butter beer!!!

Colt .45 probably...

Colt .45 probably...

/smack

OH Damn!! that was bad Osg!, funny but bad!

Not to mention Steele Reserve is the new .45 these days!

911 tapes were released today. No link, they were on the radio. Sounded normal and calm to me though. It wasn't a white woman that called, but rather a Portuguese woman.

The radio discussion on NPR discussed briefly whether it might be an issue of class, and not race - possibly the prominent professor talking down to a working class cop, or a working class cop being more hostile towards someone of higher class. The talking head on the radio dismissed the idea, but it sounds possible to me. There are plenty of documented class related clashes between people of authority and individuals below or above them.

Oh shiznit.. Gates done hate whitey...


http://www.thefoxnation.com/politics/2009/07/27/video-gates-rant-against-racist-white-institutions

I'll agree with you he definately has Bias! but he also makes , while controversial in voicing. some pretty damn valid and spot on truthfull statements.

Nothing in that video justifies or excuses his behavior. he fucked up and blew it way out of proportion from what it really was. so did the white cop imho.

Betcha both of them are wanting a do-over at this point.

I also heard this AM that the professor doesn't drink beer....
Sounding more and more like a "class" thing, rather than a race thing.

It's Obama just trying to be the "everyday joe" type of image...

The dude grew up pretty middle class.

Maybe its just who he is.

I didn't read the first 5 pages.... but is this that movie with Eddie Murphy?

The dude grew up pretty middle class.

Maybe its just who he is.

Uh.. no. It's not.

Uh.. no. It's not.


Well who is he? He's a middle class, actually on the lower side of middle class guy who was educated at Harvard. Would he be different if he was educated at Dartmouth or Yale or Princeton?

The republicans have somehow convinced the loudest and dumbest 30% of America to believe that somehow the son of one of the top 3 admirals in the navy who was brought up with chauffeured limo's (because that is what the family of general officers get) who went to Annapolis, paid for by the taxpayer along with his healthcare, and then marries into a family worth well over $100 million dollars is not an elitist. Or the guy born in Connecticut and schooled at the prestigious Andover private school and Yale, who got where he is through all the help a father could give is not an elitist

But the guys who are born into poverty, and without any connections from Daddy or Mommy, pull themselves up and have the ambition to get to the top are elitists who never worked...go figure.


So tell us...why is Obama an elitist?

So tell us...why is Obama an elitist?


Because he is a Black man who wouldnt go sell crack on the street corner like good little negroes are supposed too.

While you're right that he's not as wealthy as the McCains, that's an irrelevant distraction when talking about Obama, Gates, and Crowley sitting down for a beer.

Obama may not be as wealthy as Bill Gates or Warren Buffet, but his income even before winning the election was in the top 1-2% in the country. How can the top 1-2% possibly be middle class?

Possibly because before the neoconservatives systematically destroyed it, people in the "upper middle class" 90-95 percentiles only made half of the 96-99, as opposed to about a fifth depending on who's numbers you get.

In a country where the median household income is $50,000, a family raking in millions simply can't project that "let's get a beer like the plebs" image with any level of credibility.

I don't think that's a bad thing. The President should be smarter and more "elite" than average. He should be smart enough not to pretend he's something he isn't though too.

How can the top 1-2% possibly be middle class?

Its about how he grew up and what his formative years were like. He has only been a rich person since a couple years after his book came out. But when gave that speech at the DNC all that time ago, he was still paying back student loans.

And really Osg, you and your fellow retards bought that GWB was fucking cowboy, clarin' brush on teh ranch! Yet it is beyond the realm of possibility that Obama understands how people in the real world settle issues like this and he is comfortable doing it?

Won't matter if the Professor "doesn't drink beer".

Maybe they will discuss it over a glass of 1945 Chateau Mouton-Rothschild Jeroboam. Perhaps that won't offend the professor's pallate....

In a country where the median household income is $50,000, a family raking in millions simply can't project that "let's get a beer like the plebs" image with any level of credibility.

I don't think that's a bad thing. The President should be smarter and more "elite" than average. He should be smart enough not to pretend he's something he isn't though too.

Why can't someone who is "rich" like beer? They should do the discussion over a Utopias.

Why can't someone who is "rich" like beer? They should do the discussion over a Utopias.

Who said he doesn't like beer?

You suggested it was only the drink of the plebs, though it was enjoyed by both the Plebs and Patricians in Roman times as well as today.

You've misunderstood.

Timely: http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12652

Yeah, these people are clearly down to earth! :rolleyes:

It was the cops suggestion to have the beer. Not Obama's.

Timely: http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12652

Yeah, these people are clearly down to earth! :rolleyes:

Uh... Job creation?

I made more then half of those guys working retail 6 years ago!!

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/29/massachusetts.officer.email/index.html

Some of the fine members of the Boston police department.

So, from what I hear, the beers of choice will be...

Obama will be drinking Bud Light <TM>.

The police sergeant will be drinking an independant brewery beer called Blue Moon.

And the Professor will be drinking......wait for it.....Red Stripe!

No it's not a joke, and it made me think of a new tagline Red Stripe can use in their advertising.

"Red Stripe beer! Helping us put up with Whitey since 1928."

So, from what I hear, the beers of choice will be...

Obama will be drinking Bud Light <TM>.

The police sergeant will be drinking an independant brewery beer called Blue Moon.

And the Professor will be drinking......wait for it.....Red Stripe!

No it's not a joke, and it made me think of a new tagline Red Stripe can use in their advertising.

"Red Stripe beer! Helping us put up with Whitey since 1928."

Blue Moon is made by Coors.

I've read, that you can make your own, as well. At least that's what the website said.

But I guess, that's par for the course.

So, from what I hear, the beers of choice will be...

Obama will be drinking Bud Light <TM>.

The police sergeant will be drinking an independant brewery beer called Blue Moon.

And the Professor will be drinking......wait for it.....Red Stripe!

No it's not a joke, and it made me think of a new tagline Red Stripe can use in their advertising.

"Red Stripe beer! Helping us put up with Whitey since 1928."

Blue Moon is excellent :)

You can get recipies for almost ever beer out there at local home brew supplier. evn Budwieser (shudder).

The Professor had Sam Adams Light. Maybe he does have good taste, after all...

Biden showed up and had a Bucklers non alcoholic beer....:mad:

So, does the beer a person chooses, give you an insight into thier personality?

And unless the recipie for making your own Budweiser starts off with "Obtain a large copper pot, and urinate in it.", I wouldn't believe it the real one...

If Biden is a recovering alcoholic, than I applaud him for having a beer with the people involved with the meeting, and making that beer a non-alcoholic choice.