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Lleauric
10-10-2008, 07:49 PM
McCain shows he is man of honor and decency.

Well done sir.

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/salute McCain.

you earned more respect from me today than you have in the last 4 years.

Akom of Cazic Thule
10-10-2008, 07:53 PM
I came here expecting more sarcastic videos. I leave surprised.

Taleren Bloodsong
10-10-2008, 07:53 PM
now if only he'd say the same thing when people at his rallies scream for people to kill Obama.

Lleauric
10-10-2008, 08:04 PM
Maybe Im a glass half full type of guy

Maybe its the 3 bottles of Weyerbacher I've had

But doing the right thing should always be appreciated. McCain did the right thing.

So I raise a toast on my 4th bottle to the man. This country is going to need good men, honorable men of good faith and real patriotism. And yes, some of those people are on the other side.

How are we Democrats different from the angry mob if we can't find areas to come together?

Im thinking maybe this is John McCain reasserting himself and telling the Bush Bots to fuck off. Maybe Im wrong. Maybe it is a Machiavellian move. But at this point, at this time Im going to choose to have hope and to believe in the inherant goodness of my fellow human being.

We don't have to hate John McCain to win this election. We just have to belive in our guy and the fact that he is the better choice. And work our asses off to make it happen.

The other side has to hate to win. I don't want to be like them.

Taleren Bloodsong
10-10-2008, 08:09 PM
Maybe Im a glass half full type of guy

Maybe its the 3 bottles of Weyerbacher I've had

But doing the right thing should always be appreciated. McCain did the right thing.

So I raise a toast on my 4th bottle to the man. This country is going to need good men, honorable men of good faith and real patriotism. And yes, some of those people are on the other side.

How are we Democrats different from the angry mob if we can't find areas to come together?

Im thinking maybe this is John McCain reasserting himself and telling the Bush Bots to fuck off. Maybe Im wrong. Maybe it is a Machiavellian move. But at this point, at this time Im going to choose to have hope and to believe in the inherant goodness of my fellow human being.

We don't have to hate John McCain to win this election. We just have to belive in our guy and the fact that he is the better choice. And work our asses off to make it happen.

The other side has to hate to win. I don't want to be like them.

I didn't hear a single person at the rally I was at today shout anything hateful about either member of the opposing campaign. I don't hate McCain, or Palin for that matter. I reserve hatred only for those that really deserve it. McCain used to be a great man. He's fallen too far off in the last 8 years for me to respect him. Of course I live in a swing state and every 5 minutes or so I see a negative attack ad from McCain. I haven't seen an ad from McCain that wasn't an attack ad in numerous weeks. Just tonight I saw an ad from Obama that didn't even mention the opposing campaign and instead dealt with how the American Dream worked for him. That's far more inspiring than lie based attack politics meant to bring fear to the under educated voter. That doesn't mean Obama doesn't have attack ads on the air here, just not every single one.

Today the worst thing he said about the opposing campaign was that he wasn't going to run a campaign based on fear but instead one on Hope. That's it. The big thing that really stood out to me at the rally wasn't even Obama, but the sheer diversity of support he had in the crowd. White man, woman, black man, woman, asian, etc. Christian, muslim. That inspired me more than anything. That he was able to bring together such a broad portion of society was more inspiring than anything he could have said. We have such a polarized country right now. The fact he can bring together such a diverse group of people for a common cause is amazing to me. Just watch a McCain stop, nowhere near that kind of diversity.

Bylimet Spiritwalker
10-10-2008, 08:49 PM
Maybe Im a glass half full type of guy

Maybe its the 3 bottles of Weyerbacher I've had

But doing the right thing should always be appreciated. McCain did the right thing.

So I raise a toast on my 4th bottle to the man. This country is going to need good men, honorable men of good faith and real patriotism. And yes, some of those people are on the other side.

How are we Democrats different from the angry mob if we can't find areas to come together?

Im thinking maybe this is John McCain reasserting himself and telling the Bush Bots to fuck off. Maybe Im wrong. Maybe it is a Machiavellian move. But at this point, at this time Im going to choose to have hope and to believe in the inherant goodness of my fellow human being.

We don't have to hate John McCain to win this election. We just have to belive in our guy and the fact that he is the better choice. And work our asses off to make it happen.

The other side has to hate to win. I don't want to be like them.


Keep in mind he was in Minnesota today, and Minnesota 'nice' means you don't talk bad about someone publicly without incurring some serious Scandinavian smack-down. If he wants to have any chance in Minnesota of carrying even a substantial portion of the vote he needs to leave that negative bullshit baggage at the border. And since we are inundated like everyone else with his negative TV ads, he is not going far here.

Rover
10-10-2008, 09:19 PM
I think I just heard Osg detonate...oh well.

Jedd Corpse
10-10-2008, 10:14 PM
I agree with L2... I think tonight McCain also saw how horribly uninformed his supporters are, and I think I even saw some disgust in his face when he had to answer the lady who said Obama is an Arab.

I give him major credit for putting a halt to the bullshit even if for 1 rally, to address the nonsense people are believing...

+1 Rep to John McCain tonight.

PheloniusRM
10-10-2008, 11:11 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/10/mccain.crowd/index.html

Its very depressing, and the Mc Cain campain is 110% to blame for leading by example.

Later in Minnesota, a woman told McCain: "I don't trust Obama. I have read about him and he's an Arab." :confused:

Sanchek
10-10-2008, 11:50 PM
This is a good one:

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ainwein
10-10-2008, 11:57 PM
It made me smile.

DiscW
10-11-2008, 02:48 AM
Maybe Im a glass half full type of guy

Maybe its the 3 bottles of Weyerbacher I've had

But doing the right thing should always be appreciated. McCain did the right thing.

So I raise a toast on my 4th bottle to the man. This country is going to need good men, honorable men of good faith and real patriotism. And yes, some of those people are on the other side.

How are we Democrats different from the angry mob if we can't find areas to come together?

Im thinking maybe this is John McCain reasserting himself and telling the Bush Bots to fuck off. Maybe Im wrong. Maybe it is a Machiavellian move. But at this point, at this time Im going to choose to have hope and to believe in the inherant goodness of my fellow human being.

The problem is, his campaign encouraged and incited the things he's speaking out against in those videos, so this doesn't come off as being honorable, it comes off as being two-faced.

Now if his entire campaign changes course to follow this, then it would be great. I would absolutely love to see this campaign suddenly turn to respectability. But he's given zero reason for me to expect that. It'll take a lot more then one rally to undo how he's essentially destroyed his reputation and character.

allamar
10-11-2008, 05:04 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/10/mccain.crowd/index.html

We will see how far he goes if he brings up that Ayers crap at the next debate. If he doesn't bring up any of this terrorist nonsense,then maybe he really means what he said at that rally in Minnesota. Those other rally's him and his VP did are despicable, inciting that kind of rage will certainly lead to violence. He needs to reign in Palin, since it seems shes saying far worse and whipping the crowds up in a frenzy of hate.

Seriously, someone shouted kill him and others shouting traitor. Thats dangerous stuff right there. Not the kind of fire you want to start. Once it starts it will be very hard to put it out.
Mccain is gonna loose, its pretty much over for him, but does he really want to loose like that? He better hope and pray no one tries and kills Obama or harms his daughters or wife. He would loose his senate seat on top of losing the presidentcy, just for starters.

DiscW
10-11-2008, 02:53 PM
Ends up he couldn't even stick to what he said for even an hour, he went back to the Ayers stuff later in the same rally.

Bylimet Spiritwalker
10-12-2008, 09:47 AM
I have seen three negative ads from the McCain/Palin folks this morning already while watching my normal Sunday morning fare. Regardless of what he says at a rally in front of those cameras, the ads are reaching many more.

Rover
10-12-2008, 09:51 PM
Well...then after all...there is this...funny...my daughter and sister both work for the Obama campaign and nothing remotely close to this is EVER said or even insinuated there.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/12/virginia-gop-head-tells-v_n_133974.html

Virginia GOP Head Tells Volunteers: Compare Obama To Osama


If John McCain is as serious as he says about running a "respectful" campaign against an opponent he considers "a decent person," word hasn't yet trickled down to his newly opened storefront field office in Gainesville, Virginia. ...

With so much at stake, and time running short, Frederick did not feel he had the luxury of subtlety. He climbed atop a folding chair to give 30 campaign volunteers who were about to go canvassing door to door their talking points -- for instance, the connection between Barack Obama and Osama bin Laden: "Both have friends that bombed the Pentagon," he said. "That is scary." It is also not exactly true -- though that distorted reference to Obama's controversial association with William Ayers, a former 60s radical, was enough to get the volunteers stoked. "And he won't salute the flag," one woman added, repeating another myth about Obama. She was quickly topped by a man who called out, "We don't even know where Senator Obama was really born." Actually, we do; it's Hawaii.

Malse
10-13-2008, 12:38 AM
McCain may be a decent guy but the people running his campaign and future presidency sure the hell aren't. Even if he wins, John McCain has already lost his legacy, the last nail in its coffin was Palin.

Ailwon
10-13-2008, 11:55 AM
How he reacted in the town hall meeting to those KNIs (Knuckle Dragging Idiots) gives me hope that the GOP hasn't stripped all the decency out of a good man. It also makes me question how much control he has over his own campaign.

What scares me..is how truly dumb the average American is...my god we need to thin the herd.:devil