Heres a tinfoiler for ya....but an interesting one.

Going deeper yet, the upside-down star/pentagram has long been recognized as the symbol of Satan. Anton LaVey, author of the Satanic Bible and The Satanic Rituals, lavishly used this symbol in his ceremonies and rituals–most often depicted as the "goat’s head."

The fact that LaVey chose the goat-headed pentagram as the mascot symbol for the Church of Satan is no surprise. As previously mentioned, occult symbols have been used for centuries. In fact, LaVey gives credit to these more ancient occult schools for the role they played in helping him develop his Satanic ritual work,

"Satanic Ritual is a blend of Gnostic, Cabbalistic, Hermetic, and Masonic elements, incorporating nomenclature and vibratory words of power from virtually every mythos.

Note the stars on the GOP logo.

http://www.mivadesigners.com/goplogo.jpg

You can read about pentagrams here (http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/2002/carl-teichrib/9pentagrams.htm)

Lol, you have too much free time Rover :)

Lol, you have too much free time Rover :)

I know :(

haha, but you might be on to something. *looks for the tinfoil hat*

Is it supposed to be news that the people actually running things (Republicans, regardless of who's in office) have ties to the Masons?

And we all know how Satanic the Freemasons are...
:rolleyes:

This sounds like something right out of Da Vinci code :p

Next years election between the International Jewish Conspiracy, the Freemasons and the Satanists should prove interesting.

Is it supposed to be news that the people actually running things (Republicans, regardless of who's in office) have ties to the Masons?

That may be so, but the impression I'm trying so desperately to give is that the republicans are really agents of satan and they have duped all of the christian voters into actually voting for satan.

The possibilities would be limitless, the movie rights would be worth kajillions. It would also do wonders for the career of Jon Lovitz and maybe even Linda Blair. But NOOOOOOO...you come along and point out that the Masons also use a pentagram and that just might be the connection.

Kudos to keeping fine actors like Lovitz out of work!

http://www.mivadesigners.com/lovitz.jpg

Those Subway commercials have to be lucrative....

Is it supposed to be news that the people actually running things (Republicans, regardless of who's in office) have ties to the Masons?

I immediately thought "Masons" too, as they're much better conspiracy-theory fodder than Satanists. Nowadays Satanism just comes across as silly; one can't help but get the ridiculous image of Anton LaVey in his polyester devil suit, holding a plastic pitchfork and spouting passages from At the Mountains of Madness.

But the Masons are scary. What do they do in those meetings?

*Frets nervously*


S

LOL, my Grandfather was a Grand Master Freemason.
They have heavy ties into Christianity: Old Testament Style.
Nothing consprital about the organization.

When I lived in Anchorage, a grocery store closed down after the local evangelical crowd decided that its logo - a crescent man-in-the-moon and some stars - clearly identified the owners/operators as servants of Teh Devil. Business slumped, and down they went. Somehow, I doubt the same hue and cry would result from this, but it'd inject a beautiful dose of irony into the world.

Rover we will be knocking on your door, soon. You are getting too close to the truth. :)

PS Yes that was a joke incase someone couldn't tell.

An interesting theory though.

Next years election between the International Jewish Conspiracy, the Freemasons and the Satanists should prove interesting.

Haha! this is worthy of rep :)

When I lived in Anchorage, a grocery store closed down after the local evangelical crowd decided that its logo - a crescent man-in-the-moon and some stars - clearly identified the owners/operators as servants of Teh Devil. Business slumped, and down they went. Somehow, I doubt the same hue and cry would result from this, but it'd inject a beautiful dose of irony into the world.

That would be the Procter and Gamble label. A lot of religious freaks 20 or so years ago were boycotting their product because of it. So unless your grocery store was P&G, maybe they were targeting the product with in the store instead or they stold the trademark of P&G.

http://www.snopes.com/business/alliance/procter.asp

Yeah, that was it. This would be...about 20 years ago. The P&G store ultimately closed. Shortly thereafter I played some godawful Swedish death metal song into the local big-church fundie minister's answering machine. Tony Prevo, that was his name.

Whacky, the things you remember after a couple decades.

Yeah, that was it. This would be...about 20 years ago. The P&G store ultimately closed. Shortly thereafter I played some godawful Swedish death metal song into the local big-church fundie minister's answering machine. Tony Prevo, that was his name.

Whacky, the things you remember after a couple decades.

The CoW has spoken!
All hail the worthiness of this post!!!

The Mason are not satanist nor do they only have strong ties to christianity. The code of the Masons says that you have to believe in some higher power, but it never says you have to be christian. it goes back to the trinity. sound body, mind and spirit.

An interesting side note on the organization, they have rules saying you can not have lost a part of your body, IE finger or leg, and if you have you have to get a special dispensation for it. My grandfather, and my father and law were/are both masons and shriners and I cant stand the biblical crowd saying that they are satanist or stuck to one religion. At my Father in laws temple they have just about ever major religion represented, with the execption of the Church of Rev (its only got a couple of members. I am head dude, go go ULC.org)

Rev

Perhaps it varies from group to group? My sister was heavily involved in...Rainbow Girls?...whatever the teen-girl version of the local lodge is. Besides being a very creepy group - the locals, I wouldn't presume to speak for every lodge - the masons were a heavily twisted variation on Christianity. Their ceremonies were based on Christianity, but had a lot of strange elements in them, presumably traditional stuff whose meaning had changed over the years. By 'they' I mean both the Masons, and the Rainbow Girls.

Rainbow Girls is the teen girl version, yes. There's also Job's Daughters, though with them you have to be related to a Mason (I don't recall how closely). The teen boy version is DeMolay, after the last Grand Master of the Knights Templar. I was a member of DeMolay and had a lot of interaction with Masons back then. The majority of those I knew were good people, with nothing creepy about them. YMMV.

I think at this point most Christian sects could be described as including "presumably traditional stuff whose meaning had changed over the years."

The Masons have always used pagan symbology and rituals. None of it is based on Christianity though, twisted or not.

That your wrong sanchek.Freemasons rituals have alot to do with certain parts of the old testement mainly king solomon and his temple stuff as well as other parts.Very heavy christian overtones, yet its in a non religion sort of way.(the story of Hiram Abiff the master stonemason and his three apprentices, building the temple of solomon.They betray there master by killing him for not giving up his secerts.In each of the 3 iniatation degrees(Blue lodge degrees) your told the story.Its all played out in ritual and symbology.Its like a big play,(im still amazed how some of them can memorize that book.Written in olde speak).
Your led around the room blindfolded stopping at each of the 4 points of the room,where you will listen to them recite parts of the play.They tap the floor a certain amount of times with a staff or gavel,which someone on the other side of the room taps a certain amount of times and back and forth, then led to the next point and so forth.
Though on the 3rd degree its alot more elaborate,3 of them are dressed up as the 3 apprentices and your led around to each of them and they demand your secert, then they each hit you on the head,which the 3rd blow kills you and your laid into a grave.You listen to them and then king solomon say there parts.Which eventually, you will be ressurected and told the secert word,then asked if you want light you say yes and your blindfold is taken off.Theres alot more to it, but thats the gist of it.
There are 32 side Degrees called the scottish rite,you can pretty much do all 32 in one day.Which are Huge stage roleplays.( heh no wonder so many actors like john wayne were freemasons).The 33rd Degree isnt a real degree.Its more of an honorary degree thats given out to those that do great works in charity or world peace type stuff.Even those who arnt Freemasons have been given that honorary degree like Ronald reagan who was given it for his work in ending the cold war.Build a hospital or some such place and your a shoe in for a 33rd degree lol.
You can also be invited to be a Shriner,they are more there own seperate organization.Though most are 3rd degree blue lodge masons.

If you really want to know more about them, just go down to your local lodge or call them.Thats what i did 7 years ago with a couple friends.Then wound up joining them lol.Kinda sucks though, cause you get demystified there not the big conspirisy you were led to believe.But a bunch of guys (alot of them older then the hills) who do Charity work.And thats pretty much all they do.
You pay a yearly due,which varies depending what state or country your in.I paid 44 dollars a year as a blue lodge mason,its more if you do the 32 other degrees.some of the money goes into running the lodge(the bills as in heat/air condioning and electricy,water etc...)and then the rest is divided up between different charities.They meet once a week usally on thursday nights(at least mine does).They go through the ritual roleplay stuff,like the gavel tapping and reciting there roles (the Tyler who stands outside the door,the junior deacon,the wardens,secretary, treasurer and Worshipful master.Which after that lodge bussiness starts.They go over the minutes from last meeting.The lodge treasurer goes over all the funds and what bills were paid etc... and what charities they sent to.
After that they will have votes to see how the next funds will be used.Other members will bring up local charites or a fellow brother is in need of help(like say there house burned down or a tornado hit etc...)a big chunk of money goes to Shriners hospitals and burn centers.Not to mention demolays,rainbow girls etc..They also do there version of lifetime achievment awards or honors,for those masons retiring or have been a member for a certain amount of years etc...(they have there own retirement homes).Once Lodge bussiness is done, they will have a dinner that is made by other brothers who brought in refreshments or they pass dishes each week.Alot of them masons in my lodge are advid outdoor hunters so they bring in alot of vension and other type of hunted foods.Pretty much eating and shooting the breeze from that point out.Your not allowed to talk about religion or politics inside a lodge.You go outside the lodge to talk about that stuff.And with good reason lol,since youll find masons of different religons and politics all mingling,last thing you want is open war when those two subjects are talked about lol.You have jewish masons,Christain masons,Muslim masons,Buddist,Agonstics etc....Only thing you wont find as a mason are Atheists,since part of being a mason is believing in a Creator type being.
Like religon,youll find every type of political thinking there.From Republicans to Demacrats to Libertarians and Green party to Independant.


I dont think theres a Charity the Freemasons havnt been a huge part of.They dont just donate money,they go out and help many of these charitys personally like doing food drives,setting up and helping with the Shriners Circus,local fundraisers to help a town or area thats been hit with a natural disater list goes on and on.

allamar (http://forums.ayonae.ro/member.php?u=1036) vbmenu_register("postmenu_109459", true); you said it much better than I did. I am not as intimately familiar with the inner works as I havent been a member. My father in law wants me and his other son in law to join but he is an athiest now and well I would rather spend my time at my kenpo dojo training hehe.

Rev

But don't you see? All of that shows how evil they truly are....
They act like a corporation....
And we all know how evil corporations are....*













*Sarcasm

Cool post.

Ever wonder what the desire to create and participate in rituals is, especially when they exist outside the religious experience? I always wonder about the various service groups (Elks, Kiwanis (less so), Masons, Knights of the Rose?, Order of the Arrow. etc.) and their desires to have not only ranks but ritual clearly established for the sake of ritual. Is it a guy thing?

Being part of the in group has always been cool, especially if you happen to be part of the inner circle of said club. This behavior dates back at least as far as the mystery cults of the ancient world (e.g., Mithras, Tammuz, Isis, Jesus).