Newspapers this week in Denmark reprinted one of the cartoons depicting the prophet Mohammed, as a show of solidarity after it was learned a team of killers was arrested before they could complete their intended killing of the cartoonist considered responsible.

There have been riots and car burnings in Denmark this past week, mostly in immigrant neighborhoods. Authorities have no explanation of what may have triggered the unrest.


Umm, DUH!

Newspapers this week in Denmark reprinted one of the cartoons depicting the prophet Mohammed, as a show of solidarity after it was learned a team of killers was arrested before they could complete their intended killing of the cartoonist considered responsible.

There have been riots and car burnings in Denmark this past week, mostly in immigrant neighborhoods. Authorities have no explanation of what may have triggered the unrest.


Umm, DUH!

They reprinted it after the police stopped the would be killers, as a show of freedom of speech. WOW... We are free to say what we want, but one would think that a damn newspaper would think twice before insulting a whole religion in such a volatile time.

Nice to know that Insulting the prophet of 1.5 billion people is considered their right. They hate muslims over there, so what do ya expect...

Oh and here it is...

http://www.bakelblog.com/nobodys_business/images/31799.jpg

Only question I have, and had then, was how does someone say that that is Mohammed? Are there pictures of him to compare with, or could that be any middle eastern "terrorist" that is being depicted? Seems to match many of the photos of captured or wanted people from the region.

Only question I have, and had then, was how does someone say that that is Mohammed? Are there pictures of him to compare with, or could that be any middle eastern "terrorist" that is being depicted? Seems to match many of the photos of captured or wanted people from the region.

I know for sure that I saw a caption that said "Mohammed" and I think the Arabic on his turban/bomb might say the same. Not sure about that turban part, it may just say allah.

Only question I have, and had then, was how does someone say that that is Mohammed? Are there pictures of him to compare with, or could that be any middle eastern "terrorist" that is being depicted? Seems to match many of the photos of captured or wanted people from the region.

Here we go... this is the actualy comic.

http://chromatism.net/current/images/boomallah.gif

WOW Christians should have rioted after "History of the World, Part 1", "Dogma", let alone the Web comic "Sinfest", and many others ohh wait. Why does one religion have priority over another?

More info:
http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/jyllands-posten_cartoons/

The reprint, as I understand it, was not a simple exercise of free speech (or an insult to a religion, please!), but more of a line drawn in the sand to demonstrate where the Danish press stands. Strangely, while they fight with a pen and paper, those insulted resort to violence.

WOW Christians should have rioted after "History of the World, Part 1", "Dogma", let alone the Web comic "Sinfest", and many others ohh wait. Why does one religion have priority over another?

The actions of one group of people does not dictate what the actions of all groups of people should be.

The comic shows the most prominent figure in Islam as a terrorist. Implying that the religion is evil. If you cannot understand why people who devote their lives to Allah, would see this as more then just "funny" then good for you.

At least they didnt name a teddy bear Mohammed. Maybe they will kill themselves rioting.

they definetly should be allowed to stone the guy for making that cartoon yet alone printing it twice.

The comic shows the most prominent figure in Islam as a terrorist.


Interesting that you view the picture that way.

I view it as showing how Mohammed has been coopted by those who prefer violence and terror.

More info:
http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/jyllands-posten_cartoons/

The reprint, as I understand it, was not a simple exercise of free speech (or an insult to a religion, please!), but more of a line drawn in the sand to demonstrate where the Danish press stands. Strangely, while they fight with a pen and paper, those insulted resort to violence.

There is nothing legally wrong with how the papers reacted, however it was childish and illogical. I challenge that newspaper to post a comic from a holocaust denier, then we will see how free speech is in Denmark.

Unless you are as extremely religious as are all of those who are so offended by this, quite frankly you cannot understand. I cannot myself even understand being as mad about it as they are. However, I will not pretend to understand them, or ridicule them for their reactions.

Interesting that you view the picture that way.

I view it as showing how Mohammed has been coopted by those who prefer violence and terror.

I don't pass judgement personally on what the meaning of the comic is, only what it shows.

You know the sensitivity of the Muslim people to any negative portrayal of their religion. Why test it further?

But isn't Muhammad the most common name in the world? It could have been any dude named Muhammad.

Fogell: Well, when I got there it was either this or Muhammad.
Evan: Why would you even pick Muhammad.
Fogell: For your information, Muhammad is the most commonly used name on the planet.
Evan: Fogell, have you ever even met anyone named Muhammad?
Fogell: Have you ever met anyone named McLovin?
Seth: NO! That's why it's a stupid, made-up, f**king fairy tale name!

But isn't Muhammad the most common name in the world? It could have been any dude named Muhammad.

lol nice one

The racist crusade against Muslims February 17, 2006 | Page 5

LEE SUSTAR explains why Arabs and Muslims are right to be furious at the West’s racist attack on Islam.

THE CONTROVERSY over a Danish newspaper’s publication of caricatures of Muhammad has highlighted the scale of the Western ideological assault on Islam as justification for anti-immigrant scapegoating and imperialist war.

At the same time, the crisis highlights the failure of the antiwar movement in the U.S. to champion the civil liberties of Arabs and Muslims, even as their plight worsens.

This controversy didn’t start with the publication of the cartoons. It was triggered by years of political campaigns against immigrants in Denmark and across Europe.

The U.S. media, however, have focused on protests in Muslim countries--including the burning of Danish embassies in Syria and Lebanon. They portrayed the issue as one of freedom of expression, playing up racist stereotypes of Muslims as intellectually backward and violent.

Somehow, the deaths of well over 100,000 Iraqis as the result of the U.S. invasion and Washington’s support for monarchs and dictators across the Middle East are seen as irrelevant to the protests over the cartoons.

Instead, politicians and pundits alike are using the specter of an irrational and violent Islam as an unstated but unmistakable after-the-fact justification for war and occupation in Iraq and Afghanistan--and, in the future, a possible Israeli attack on the Palestinian Hamas party and a U.S. military strike against Iran.



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THE PROTESTS over the Danish cartoon are not, as conservative academic Samuel Huntington argues, an example of the “clash of civilizations” between the West and Islam. Rather, it is a sign of deep--and justified--anger at the U.S. and the West for humiliating military occupations that recall the colonial era. In the U.S., stepped-up military aggression against Muslims and Arabs abroad has been matched by greater repression at home.

“Since the July 7 bombings in London, the crackdown on Muslims and South Asians in the U.S. has increased heavily,” Ahsanullah “Bobby” Khan, executive director of the Coney Island Avenue Project, an immigrant rights group in New York City, said in an interview. “The neighborhood searches and deportations have increased. Just in the last few days in Brooklyn, six to seven people were arrested. It is happening in other neighborhoods as well.”

Since the September 11 attacks in 2001, every one of the twice-weekly flights of Pakistan International Airlines from the U.S has carried two or three deportees, he said.

According to Khan, New York City agencies are routinely violating a directive by Mayor Michael Bloomberg not to inquire about the immigration status of residents. In fact, anyone who appears to be Muslim or South Asian is being forced to answer such questions from police and prosecutors--who are apparently cooperating with the Department of Homeland Security, Khan said.

Proposed legislation in Congress, known as HR 4437, would require local law enforcement to adopt this policy everywhere. The bill, approved by the U.S. House of Representatives and set to go to the Senate, would also make undocumented immigrants into felons; criminalize many forms of assistance to immigrants from teachers, social workers and clergy; speed deportations; and fund the construction of a massive wall on the U.S.-Mexico border.

By targeting Muslims in the name of fighting terrorism, the right wing in Congress hopes to steamroller past opposition to the law.

Unfortunately, said Khan, “I don’t see a lot of attention from the antiwar movement [on Arab and Muslim immigrants], although all these issues are related to the so-called war. So much is going on. About two or three months back, a Pakistani died in prison. There was no response, not even from activist and progressive circles.”



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WITCH-HUNTS against Arabs and Muslims in the U.S. are the inevitable result of a military drive that George Bush called a “crusade” after September 11, invoking the image of religious warfare. More than four years later, the outrage among Muslims across the Middle East and Asia reflects not only anger at racist images of religious figures considered idolatrous in Islam, but the historic humiliations of colonialism, war and the U.S. occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq, and the dehumanization and systematic torture of Muslim prisoners by U.S. military and intelligence personnel.

While the massive protests in the Muslim world initially stunned Western political leaders, the White House soon moved to manipulate the crisis.

“You do not just go out in the streets of Iran and protest spontaneously, and in the streets of Syria and protest spontaneously,” Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said in a February 12 television interview, using the issue to bash Washington’s next potential targets in the Middle East.

Meanwhile, right-wing politicians used the Danish cartoon controversy to advance their own anti-immigrant agenda.

"We [the Republicans] are the party that stands up for free expression around the world,” anti-immigrant Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.) said in a speech at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington February 9. “And we shouldn’t apologize for it no matter how angry that expression may make some people, some religions or some governments.”

Notorious for his openly racist rhetoric and legislative initiatives targeted mainly at Mexicans, Tancredo calls himself a devotee of Huntington and links immigrant-bashing and military intervention in the Middle East. In an interview with RightWingNews.com, Tancredo said, “I believe that what we are fighting here is not just a small group of people who have hijacked a religion, but it is a civilization bent on destroying ours.”

A supporter of HR 4437, a viciously anti-immigrant bill that passed the House of Representatives last year, Tancredo says he’ll run for president in 2008 if leading Republican candidates don’t take a hardline stance against immigration.

While Tancredo has little hope of capturing the Republican nomination, he’s posed to shape the national anti-immigrant agenda. By legitimizing the immigrant-hunting Minuteman Project in the halls of Congress, Tancredo has helped stampede Democratic Govs. Bill Richards of New Mexico and Janet Napolitano of Arizona into declaring “states of emergency” on the border.

His strategy, in fact, follows that of the far-right Danish People’s Party, which became Denmark’s third-biggest party in 2001, forcing the ruling center-right coalition to rely on its support. In return, Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen pushed through the harshest anti-immigrant laws in Europe, legitimizing the anti-Muslim racism that led to the publication of the caricatures of Muhammad, one of which portrayed the prophet’s turban as a bomb with a lighted fuse.

The Danish far right, in turn, has modeled itself on the National Front of Jean-Marie Le Pen, a neo-Nazi who came in second during the French presidential election of 2001. Pressured by the National Front’s calls for the mass deportation of mostly Muslim immigrants, the ruling mainstream conservative French government invoked a “state of emergency” to crack down on last fall’s rebellion of mostly Muslim immigrant youths.

Similar examples could be given from several other West European countries. The pattern is clear enough: the far right makes extreme demands; the mainstream right adapts and implements policies that would have been seen as shocking in the past; and liberals tail along to avoid being seen as “soft” on the issue.

Those dynamics are showing themselves in U.S. politics as well--Bush’s declining popularity and a lousy economy have left racism and immigrant-bashing as the Republican right’s last cards to play.

Overt anti-Muslim and anti-Arab bigotry will figure prominently in the politics of immigration in the 2006 elections and beyond. It’s time for the antiwar and immigrant rights movements to join forces, defend Arabs and Muslims and stand up to all the racist attacks.




http://www.socialistworker.org/2006-1/576/576_05_RacistCrusade.shtml




There is more then just a comic that leads to the reaction form the muslim world that you have seen... It is a combination of things that the above article explains.

Even living in LA, I notice the look on peoples faces when they hear Muslim. I am not a muslim, but it's always asked when someone finds out I am an Iranian American.

This isnt about what Georgie and the evil west has done since 9/11. Extremist muslims have been doing this long before. Sadaam Rushdie ???

I'm going to regret this, since I've seen what happens when people try to talk sense in a Jedd-thread.Unless you are as extremely religious as are all of those who are so offended by this, quite frankly you cannot understand. I cannot myself even understand being as mad about it as they are. However, I will not pretend to understand them, or ridicule them for their reactions.I am extremely religious, thanks for passing judgement on me to discredit my post. And I live with mockery of my religious icons every single day, along with every other member of my religion. The grand majority of us don't riot over it, and we sure as hell try to denounce those who do.

EVERY religion gets mocked these days. The Buddhists may have it the worst with poor Buddha becoming a tourist attraction and icon for weight loss centers. Again, while every member of those religions may not be peaceful, you don't see the riots arising over fat Buddha statues, do you?

Reprinting the comic in the newspaper was dumb, but trying to defend the actions of violent extremists in reaction to the comic doesn't smack of wisdom either. A real heart of the issue lies with exactly the fact that violent Islamic groups are driving these attacks, and their view of religion colors their view of the world just as much as, say, the Christian west sees the world differently. Are the viewpoints in the comics untrue?

Cry me a river, Jedd, and tell those 1.5 billion insulted people to grow a pair and deal with it. Freedom of expression should not be impeded just because there are a few hundred million cry-babies in the world. Also, the artist has stated (http://jp.dk/uknews/article1263133.ece) that the cartoon represents the hijacking of Islam by terrorists, not Muhammad being a terrorist. Tell the demonstrators offended by this cartoon to burn the people who light the bombs and blow up innocents instead of attacking a cartoonist. Then maybe they won't be regarded so poorly throughout the world.

They hate muslims over there, so what do ya expect...


yea, not really.

I do not condone the actions of the people who are offended, I only understand they are offended... You guys have fun going off on tangents, Oh and apparently Thormir, they did do something about it.

I could care less if you put 2 and 2 together to understand why the Muslim world is at its breaking point or not.

yea, not really.



DANISH HATE SPEECH & XENOPHOBIA

ALEX AHRENDTSEN (1967-)

Parliamentary Candidate for Danish People's Party (2005) and Councillor for Odense City Council

»The Quran is indeed, almost a religious Nazism.«

Politiken (daily newspaper), November 15, 2005

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KÅRE BLUITGEN (1959-)

Author (Who started the Cartoon Crisis in September 2005)

»Leftwing should start an offensive by parading through Nørrebrogade in Copenhagen, wearing Burkhas, Chadors and long coats, pushing a sea of folding prams and baby carriages and in the end, throw all this in a container at Blågårds square as well as splash the Quran with mensuration's blood.«

From his book: 'For the benefit of the blacks', 2002, p.70

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MOGENS CAMRE (1936-)

Danish People's Party. MEP. (1999-), Former Member of Danish Parliament for Social Democratic Party (1968-1987)

»Let me say it clearly: Muslims should live in Muslim-Country, and this is not here.«

Speech at the Danish People's Party's annual convention, September 19, 2004

»Islam threatens our future, and we shall prevent Islam from setting any agenda in Europe. This faith belongs to a dark past and its political goal is as destructive as that of Nazism. Islam should not have the possibility to take Europe away from us.«

Speech on Constitution Day, June 5, 2004

»We should withdraw from UN Refugee Convention and we should block EU's Charter for Fundamental Rights which is directed against the Europeans. We must change the Alien's Law, and if need be we must change both the Danish Constitution and Penal Law so that it becomes possible to defend democracy and to send political-religious rebels, criminals and parasites out of the country. This is the final call.«

Horsens Folkeblad (daily newspaper), May 18, 2004

»All western countries are infiltrated by Muslims. Some of them talk to us nicely while they are waiting to grow in numbers and remove us.«

Speech at Danish People's Party's annual convention, September 16, 2001

»What we are facing with is not just a short term military operation. It is a question of driving this evil ideology out of the western civilisation. Islam should never get a place in our countries.«

Speech at Danish People's Party's annual convention, September 16, 2001

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VAGN ERIKSEN

Chairman, Danish People's Party in Odense, Council- Parliament- and County candidate (2001), candidate for Odense Council (2005)

»All Muslims should be thrown out of Denmark.«

Speech at Danish People's Party's annual convention, September 16, 2001

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BERTEL HAARDER (1944-)

Venstre, Member of Danish parliament (1975 -), Education- and Church Minister (2005-) Integration Minister (2001-2005), MEP (1994-2001)

»... ordinary Danes are subject to diverse types of social control. We go to work, because we are concerned about what our neighbours and family would say, and because we want to set a good example for our children. But foreigners seldom have such inhibitions. They live in a sub-culture, outside the Danish tribe. That is why, they are quick to learn those possibilities where you can get money without making an effort.«

Berlingske Tidende (daily newspaper), September 20, 2003

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IB KROG HANSEN

Vice Chairman, Danish People's Party in Ringsted (2004-), Council Candidate (2001)

»All Muslims should leave Denmark. This is harshly put because there are human beings among them. But how can we differentiate?«

Danish People's Party's annual convention, September 16, 2001

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MARTIN HENRIKSEN (1981-)

Member of Parliament for Danish People's Party (2005-)

»Islam has been a terrorist organisation from its very beginning.«

Politiken (daily newspaper), December 2, 2005

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PIA KJÆRSGAARD (1947-)

Chairperson, Danish People's Party and Member of Parliament (1995-). Former Member of Parliament for Progressive Party (1984-1995)

»Not in their wildest imagination would anyone have imagined, that large parts of Copenhagen and other Danish towns would be populated by people who are at a lower stage of civilisation, with their own primitive and cruel customs like honour killings, forced marriages, halal slaughtering and blood-feuds. This is exactly what is happening now. Thousands upon thousands of persons, who apparently - civilisationally, culturally and spiritually - lives in the year of 1005 instead of 2005, that have come to a country [Denmark] left the dark ages hundreds of years ago.«

[i] Weekly Commentary, June 13 2005

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SØREN KRARUP (1937-)

Priest, Member of Parliament for Danish People's Party (2001-)

»Where Christianity rules, matters are related to the love of the tings that one holds dear. On the other hand, where Islam rules, matters are related to a higher selfrightousness which logically culminates in an all consuming hatred and a scary urge to exterminate other people.«

Berlingske Tidende (daily newspaper), February 2, 2005

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JESPER LANGBALLE (1939-)

Priest, Member of Parliament for Danish People's Party (2001-)

»Islam is a plague upon Europe.«

Speech from the podium of Danish Parliament, May 31, 2002

»Judaism, because of its Jesus-negating teachings, is an apostasy and blasphemy.«

Kristeligt Dagblad (daily newspaper), November 3, 1999

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MICHAEL REX

Danish People's Party, Councillor in Næstved Municipality (2001-)

»Islam is not a religion in any traditional sense. It is a terrorist organisation which tries to gain world domination through violence.«

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Wow Jedd, I guess those guys really do deserve to be assassinated after all!

Wow Jedd, I guess those guys really do deserve to be assassinated after all!

Joining the club of people who put words in my mouth? Welcome, may you enjoy your stay

You're posting in support of people who can't take criticism and who react with destruction to criticism. No sympathy from me there.

You're posting in support of people who can't take criticism and who react with destruction to criticism. No sympathy from me there.

I am posting in disgust of clear racism(or religiosism if that makes sense). Nothing else

You posted that a newspaper was "insulting a whole religion" and in contempt of that newspaper's right to insult "the prophet of 1.5 billion people." It's not up to the world to care that Muslims are so sensitive, that they'll unleash destruction because of a cartoon most of them never saw or bothered to try to understand or because of mean things people say about them. It's up to Muslims to deal with it, and to accept criticism that is valid and do something about it.

You posted that a newspaper was "insulting a whole religion" and in contempt of that newspaper's right to insult "the prophet of 1.5 billion people." It's not up to the world to care that Muslims are so sensitive, that they'll unleash destruction because of a cartoon most of them never saw or bothered to try to understand or because of mean things people say about them. It's up to Muslims to deal with it, and to accept criticism that is valid and do something about it.

Is it up to black people to deal with being called nappy headed hoes? or Niggers?

No... It is just about as much up to Muslims to deal with images of their prophet as a terrorist is, as it is up to a Race to be called deragatory names. The predjudice is the same. Yes it is wrong.

Drop the bias bullshit please...

No murder attempts were made after Imus spewed his foolishness. Blacks have historically been targets in this country of racism, not fomenters of violence. Blacks also resorted to largely peaceful means to work toward equality, not murdering people they didn't like. Your comparison is simple-minded and laden with bias.

No murder attempts were made after Imus spewed his foolishness. Blacks have historically been targets in this country of racism, not fomenters of violence. Blacks also resorted to largely peaceful means to work toward equality, not murdering people they didn't like. Your comparison is simple-minded and laden with bias.

And when did I justify their response? ALL I DID WAS CONDEMN THE COMIC

I understand they are mad, and they have the right to be mad if they are offended. I never justified anything more then that.

LOLZ, go Denmark!

People are too fucking sensitive to everything, it's amusing however when these so called "hurt people" burn effigys (forgive my spelling) of Bush, the American flag, etc. they are celebrating but holy hell print something funny and they feel the need to riot? Awesome, all the more reason we should just nuke the fucking middle east it's not worth it anymore they are all a bunch whiney asses who are so repressed they use any event/happening to blow themselves up!

/gas
/flame
/bombs
/nuke

Problem solved :)

LOLZ, go Denmark!

People are too fucking sensitive to everything, it's amusing however when these so called "hurt people" burn effigys (forgive my spelling) of Bush, the American flag, etc. they are celebrating but holy hell print something funny and they feel the need to riot? Awesome, all the more reason we should just nuke the fucking middle east it's not worth it anymore they are all a bunch whiney asses who are so repressed they use any event/happening to blow themselves up!

/gas
/flame
/bombs
/nuke

Problem solved :)

See that Thormir?

Too bad he doesn't have the balls to go to the middle east and tell it to their faces...

Drop the bias bullshit please...

Yes, won't you please!


You keep supporting the view that "justifies" outrage, rather than acknowledge there may be another way of viewing the picture; as has been stated by the cartoonist, by me, and by others, it depicts something wholly different than Muhammed as a terrorist. You choose to view it as the fanatics view it because it gives you one more reason to rant against someone.

But thanks for sharing some of those quotes from the Danes regarding how they view the threat of Islam. It is good to see they are not all asleep at the wheel.

Yes, won't you please!


You keep supporting the view that "justifies" outrage, rather than acknowledge there may be another way of viewing the picture; as has been stated by the cartoonist, by me, and by others, it depicts something wholly different than Muhammed as a terrorist. You choose to view it as the fanatics view it because it gives you one more reason to rant against someone.

But thanks for sharing some of those quotes from the Danes regarding how they view the threat of Islam. It is good to see they are not all asleep at the wheel.

With the retarded outlook you have on my views based on my posts, it is surprising that you speak like this... If we apply the same BS that you apply to my words, then you just advocated the oppression, expulsion, and destruction of Islam.

Find one sentence of mine where I defended the act of rioting and violence. Thats right... Start on page one... work your way here, and show me where I defended the acts of violence.

You think I am some radical extremist with my views, but take a look in the damn mirror.

With the retarded outlook you have on my views based on my posts, it is surprising that you speak like this... If we apply the same BS that you apply to my words, then you just advocated the oppression, expulsion, and destruction Islam.

Ok.

I am advocating the destruction of a religion based on the writings opf a military general who wanted to make his own life better by establishing rules to govern how people lived in such a way as to appease his own desires; i.e., women are beneath men, anyone who questions or disagrees is to be severely punished, if someone does not convert to the religion they should be killed, and if someone leaves the religion for another they should be killed. Yeah, let's destroy this blatant abomination of "religious" intolerance.

Jedd has a disconnect when he "understands" why these little terrorists are rioting and threatening death on the unbelievers, but then he supposedly wants the moderate secularists to succeed in taking over Iran. You can't have both.

Ok.

I am advocating the destruction of a religion based on the writings opf a military general who wanted to make his own life better by establishing rules to govern how people lived in such a way as to appease his own desires; i.e., women are beneath men, anyone who questions or disagrees is to be severely punished, if someone does not convert to the religion they should be killed, and if someone leaves the religion for another they should be killed. Yeah, let's destroy this blatant abomination of "religious" intolerance.

WOW

Your ignorance just shined so bright with that post... No use arguing with someone who knows 0 about Islam.

See that Thormir?

Too bad he doesn't have the balls to go to the middle east and tell it to their faces...


SHE, and yes I would. I rather think it would fall on death ears however since I am a woman not a muhammed :)

So, not only do you whine about the cartoon you now whine to Thor about my post too? Where will it end? Suicide bombings don't really work on internet forums do they? You could just go riot in your street if you want to.

If you're so upset that your religion is under attack why not do something to change the views of others? Rather what I see from you Jedd is vitrol, bullshit, and whining. I don't even read your long winded posts, I only read your posts that are 5 lines or less b/c I already know what you're going to say. You don't not help your people, your religion, your whaterver you feel they are, rather you help to further the discontent with your posts. So, my message to you is that rather than continue fighting with these people over completely asanine things just wipe them off the face of the earth so they can start fresh. :)

Find one sentence of mine where I defended the act of rioting and violence. Thats right... Start on page one... work your way here, and show me where I defended the acts of violence.

You think I am some radical extremist with my views, but take a look in the damn mirror.

I said you are supporting thier view of the cartoon. You took that statement and changed it to me saying you are defending rioting and violence. You are truly pitiful.

SHE, and yes I would. I rather think it would fall on death ears however since I am a woman not a muhammed :)

So, not only do you whine about the cartoon you now whine to Thor about my post too? Where will it end? Suicide bombings don't really work on internet forums do they? You could just go riot in your street if you want to.

If you're so upset that your religion is under attack why not do something to change the views of others? Rather what I see from you Jedd is vitrol, bullshit, and whining. I don't even read your long winded posts, I only read your posts that are 5 lines or less b/c I already know what you're going to say. You don't not help your people, your religion, your whaterver you feel they are, rather you help to further the discontent with your posts. So, my message to you is that rather than continue fighting with these people over completely asanine things just wipe them off the face of the earth so they can start fresh. :)

I am not muslim, run along little bigot.

So, not only do you whine about the cartoon you now whine to Thor about my post too? Where will it end? Suicide bombings don't really work on internet forums do they? You could just go riot in your street if you want to.LMFAO

I said you are supporting thier view of the cartoon. You took that statement and changed it to me saying you are defending rioting and violence. You are truly pitiful.

I support their view that the cartoon was stupid, insulting, and should never have been printed, even the first time, let alone twice.

WOOT!

A negative rep hit from Jedd.

Them damn dopey danes (http://ayonae.ro/showthread.php?p=133826#post133826)02-16-2008 10:00 PMJedd Corpse (http://ayonae.ro/member.php?u=1314)Fuck you bigot -


I am actually quite open minded, I even half in-laws who are muslim! Hell, I attended a wedding ceremony in Morroco and had to wear some kind of traditional garb and keep myself clothed and not show my Westernized culture to the other women. But call me names if it makes you feel better puddin'. By the way, I'm also a lesbian there's another one for you.

Names, words, cartoons, effigays, these things are just things. They only have power if you believe them. :)

So, not only do you whine about the cartoon you now whine to Thor about my post too? Where will it end? Suicide bombings don't really work on internet forums do they? You could just go riot in your street if you want to.

Obviously you do not care to understand.

Seeing as no one condemned your disgusting words towards Islam, it now according to you people means that they all support your words about Islam.

Hypocrites. This is the bullshit I deal with daily from you people. I have to make sure to appease you by being 100% clear in every post about the negative and positive or you put words in my mouth. But you can just stay silent and It must be assumed that you don't agree.

WOOT!

A negative rep hit from Jedd.

Them damn dopey danes (http://ayonae.ro/showthread.php?p=133826#post133826)02-16-2008 10:00 PMJedd Corpse (http://ayonae.ro/member.php?u=1314)Fuck you bigot -


I am actually quite open minded, I even half in-laws who are muslim! Hell, I attended a wedding ceremony in Morroco and had to wear some kind of traditional garb and keep myself clothed and not show my Westernized culture to the other women. But call me names if it makes you feel better puddin'. By the way, I'm also a lesbian there's another one for you.

Names, words, cartoons, effigays, these things are just things. They only have power if you believe them. :)

It's ok...I saw the real you

Fuck you guys I'm out

We did? On an internet message board you saw the REAL me? Did you snap a polaroid and put it in your photo album too? Did you write this down in your journal as a momentous day? Did you write a poem to commemorate how an anon person helped you to see the light? I'd like a school, road, and small town named Fildien too pls.

Rock
Paper
Scissors

Rock
Paper
BOMB!

Hypocrites. This is the bullshit I deal with daily from you people. .

Well, you could leave.:rolleyes:


And Fil, jedd hit me with a neg rep too. I guess "US PEOPLE" that tire so easily of his anti-American and pro-Islam/Iran ranting are doomed to being on his "meanies" list.

Fuck you guys I'm out

Any vBookie lines on how long he will stay "out"?


Anyways, I started this thread because it seemed really bizarre that the Danish authorities seemed unable to put the reprinting of the cartoon and the rioting together. It seems to me that if the quotes Jedd posted are common knowledge there, and elsewhere in Europe, then rioting would be a constant event.

I've said it before and i will say it again, the next big war will be over religion, and encompass most of the planet. There are some in Denmark and Europe who apparently are seeing the same future.

Byl, they knew very well the riots were caused by the published cartoon.. out of fear they call them "immigrants" and "youths" so as not to offend them further. Same thing happened with the French rioting the last few years.

Fuck you guys I'm out

Don't let the door hit you in the ass...ROFL. I go away for a day and come back to Jedds self destruction over and over.

Is it up to black people to deal with being called nappy headed hoes? or Niggers?

You can't choose your skil color. You /can/ choose what kind of imaginary friend you have. More importantly, the general reaction from certain segments of Islam regarding the comic are a bit excessive.

I didn't mean to run him off I simply stated my beliefs.

It's ok...I saw the real you
A stunningly powerful argument. Really. Because if there's anything that's emerged, clear as day, over the last week it's the "real Jedd," someone who -- among other things -- thinks freedom of speech less important than preserving the soft egos of the easily offended. You had a viable meta-narrative: that actions taken by countries such as the US have produced justifiable ill will among various populaces. But your presentation could use some pruning, sharpening, and cleaning of the spittle.

That few will be sorry to see you go has nothing to do with your imaginations of bigotry, but that you were incapable of presenting a consistent argument and would lend support to the most insupportable acts through whatever justification it took to convince yourself. You support this stuff.

And that's the "real Jedd."

Somewhat relevant... though across the pond in Canada:

Imam undercuts himself by twisting his own words (http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/columnists/story.html?id=5162d29c-ffe4-4f4a-8d25-fe5e097c0963)

The founder of the Islamic Supreme Council of Canada (ISCC) asked for a meeting with the Herald's editorial board via an e-mail, arguing that Levant was "attempting to paint me as a hate-mongering, anti-Semitic, Wahabi radical who wants to see Canada governed under sharia law. Nothing could be further from the truth."

While preparing for the meeting, a quick search on Canwest's library system showed a Jan. 17, 2004, column written by the cleric.

In it, he wrote: "Sharia cannot be customized for specific countries. These universal, divine laws are for all people of all countries for all times."

In the same column he also boasts: "I am one of the founding members of the Islamic Institute of Civil Justice. The mandate of the institute is to resolve disputes within existing Canadian laws by using the principles of conflict resolution from Islamic Law, or sharia."

His column is clear. He wanted to bring sharia to Canada and even helped found the organization that spearheaded the drive to do so.

But in our meeting, Soharwardy denied his own column. "I never asked to bring sharia in Canada," he now insists.

One thing I never could understand is intolerance of Islam or Judaism being equated with racism.....

You can't change your race when you are born.

You can, however, change your religion.

And I doubt Jedd will stay gone for very long.

Need to strongly and constantly remove the weapon of choice by the extremists.

Fear....

Fear how we shall react if you dare to not follow our religion....

Fear how we shall stone your women if they don't dress and sleep with who we dictate.

Fear how we shall kill your women and children because you dare to ....dare...


Start with getting the fear/hate mongering preachers/imans out of our Western countries...not all Iman's preach hate, but the ones that do get a one way ticket out ....

We can't bow down to this culture that's purposely trapped themselves in the 1400's so their weak minded and weak willed men can rule.....

Start with getting the fear/hate mongering preachers/imans out of our Western countries...not all Iman's preach hate, but the ones that do get a one way ticket out ....I disagree. Aside from freedom of speech/religion issues, I think it better that they're out in the open, available for ridicule and contradiction by more sensible persons. What we need to eschew are fear-based responses to their provocations, such as curtailing rights in the name of "security."

I disagree. Aside from freedom of speech/religion issues, I think it better that they're out in the open, available for ridicule and contradiction by more sensible persons. What we need to eschew are fear-based responses to their provocations, such as curtailing rights in the name of "security."I heartily agree, but I do wonder if there is a point where we need to respond differently and stop tolerating this nonsense. Different ideas, even speech, I'm fine with. We still let those morons in the KKK march down the street. But, do we ever reach a point where a religion is dominated by violent leaders and needs to be forcibly removed? Can we do that safely?

My tolerance for Islam continues to drop with every new global action, including the attacks in Denmark. People need to watch the spread of Islam very carefully - wasn't it last week that some cardinal in Britan was suggesting sharia law be applied to some British citizens?

Somewhat relevant... though across the pond in Canada

What pond?

Are you referring to Lake Ontario or Lake Erie? Maybe the St. Lawrence seaway?

You need to look at a map. If your understanding of Muslim issues in the current global state is as good as your geography skills then any argument you make here is null and void.

As far as the cartoon goes I don't care either way if the image was published. If the danes want to piss off millions of people that is their right. I don't have a problem with anyone publishing insulting material on any religion. I am all for exposing all religions for the absurd structures they are.

Instead of nuking the Middle East as Fildien has suggested I would rather gather up all religious people, put them in the middle of the Pacific on rafts and do the same.


Cheers,

You need to look at a map. If your understanding of Muslim issues in the current global state is as good as your geography skills then any argument you make here is null and void.The Canadian is touchy about his water holes.

I hope you're suffiently embarrassed, but the North Atlantic is often historically referred to as "the pond".

hope you're suffiently embarrassed, but the North Atlantic is often historically referred to as "the pond".
huh?

The Canada–United States border is the international border (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border) between Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada) and the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States). Officially known as the International Boundary, it is the longest common border in the world, and is unmilitarized. The terrestrial boundary (including small portions of maritime boundaries on the Atlantic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Ocean), Pacific (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Ocean), and Arctic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_Ocean) coasts as well as the Great Lakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Lakes)) is 8,891 kilometres (5,522 mi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mile)) long, including 2,477 kilometres (1,539 mi) shared with Alaska (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska).

In what way are our two countries seperated by the Northern Atlantic?


Cheers,

Dude, what country is the topic of this thread? Where is it located?

Instead of nuking the Middle East as Fildien has suggested I would rather gather up all religious people, put them in the middle of the Pacific on rafts and do the same.




Did you write Mein Kampf?

Just wondering......

Denmark IS "across the pond" as is England.

The term "across the pond" refers to the Atlantic Ocean. Anything ACROSS the Atlantic Ocean can be referred to as "across the pond". i.e. If you are in England you can refer to Canada as "across the pond" or if you are in the U.S. you can refer to France as "across the pond".

You stated:
Somewhat relevant... though across the pond in Canada

Canada is not "across the pond". Canada is your "Neighbour to the North". Canada and the U.S. are both on the same continent, not seperated by any oceans.

Off-topic but...
It's ok...I saw the real you
SHE, and yes I would.
I never "saw" that! Fildien being a "she"... :p


On-topic, as some famous french humorist once said :
"You can joke about everything, but not with everyone." ;)

I understand your point Thor and to be honest it's one I'm torn about.

When I read about the issues England and France are having with hate mongering Iman's I can't help but think perhaps the Imans should be held accountable for their actions.

Am I wrong in remembering that Germany booted some out or? How has that held up in the long run?

Fuck you guys I'm out

Seacrest Out!

The problem here that Jedd doesn't seem to be seeing is that the cartoon was a satire of how violence has appeared to take over the Muslim religion. Then, Muslims react to the cartoon with violence.

That does nothing for the Muslim community but lend credence to the cartoon. Jedd may not like how people perceive Muslims (well aware that he isn't a Muslim), but if Muslims extremists consistantly rely on violence to show any dissent, nothing is going to help any stereotypes (valid or not).

The problem here that Jedd doesn't seem to be seeing is that the cartoon was a satire of how violence has appeared to take over the Muslim religion. Then, Muslims react to the cartoon with violence.

Your missing the point here. Mulims aren't reacting to the message of the cartoon, they are reacting to the mere fact that the image of Muhammed is illustrated in the cartoon, that is their base argument. Any image of Muhammed is restricted by their beliefs and is written in their "holy text". I am sure a bomb in the turban didn't help or the fact that misinformation was feed to extremists to fan the flames.

The cartoon "could" have produced the same rethoric if the illustrator had removed the bomb and simply had Muhammed sitting there with the text below "eat your vegetables, go to school and be a good Muslim". Personally I doubt that a cartoon like that would have caused a similar uproar but the fact that Muhammed was illustrated, especially by a non-Muslim would have been enough to set some Muslims off.

Again, I neither agree nor disagree with the Danes for publishing the cartoon yet again. If they want to bump chests with the Muslim world that is their porogative. The message I take away from the whole incident is that religious folks are intolerant, like that was a surprise to anyone.

Cheers,

Lokase

Any image of Muhammed is restricted by their beliefs and is written in their "holy text". They've been painting and drawing his "image" for centuries. It's only when nonmuslims do it that they start rioting.

Yep, Mother Theresa, Mahatma Gandhi, Albert Einstein, were all highly intolerant of other people......

im not surprised seeing the mother of all stupid analogies from sixee, but by helmut, thats one was just beyond dumb.

Albert Einstein

A common misconception, Albert was never "religious folk"

http://atheistempire.com/greatminds/quotes.php?author=9

At the least Albert was a devote Agnostic, at the most he was a reluctant Atheist.


Cheers,

Lokase

They've been painting and drawing his "image" for centuries. It's only when nonmuslims do it that they start rioting.I believe Islam is aniconic with regards to Muhammed, for the same reason Protestants eschew images of Jesus, Mary, etc. So on the one hand you have the fervent zealots outraged that someone drew their prophet, and then you have more moderate devotees outraged that they're being lumped in with terrorists.

To Kanyli and Fandros: It's a tough point. One starting place would be outlawing "exhortations to violence" made by people to followers. I suspect this has already been done. And if any non-citizen is doing that sort of thing, green card or no, I wouldn't mind providing a federal grant consisting of 1 raft, 1 canteen of water, a PBJ and a commission to convert kelp on the way to Arabia. But we do need to be careful with judging speech, especially in a time when fear is used as a tool.

i know sweden and i do believe the UK, denmark etc has hate-speech laws, but i cant say for sure.

/agree Thor

It's why I purposely avoided using the US in my discussion and instead focused on France and England where they have a growing issue.

Freedom of Speech is a great and powerful right. But there should and often are ramifications for using that right to lead to violence.

Jedd?

http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/recent/20060204.gif

i know sweden and i do believe the UK, denmark etc has hate-speech laws, but i cant say for sure.

Then why are you still allowed to talk?

Fear is being used as a tool by everyone, and has been since the dawn of time.

Why? Because it's effective. People comply when they are afraid. Then they get angry,(because no one likes to be afraid) and it doesn't take much skill to direct that anger against a target. It's how lynch mobs get formed.


Knowledge and education, would be the best way to combat fear. The problem is, that people have to be willing to learn, and sometimes it's just easier to be afraid....

haha sanchek, i believe i posted that the last time the cartoons were published, quite hilarious.

Then why are you still allowed to talk?



what the fuck are you even talking about?

haha sanchek, i believe i posted that the last time the cartoons were published, quite hilarious.

I don't think you posted it here; that's the first time I've seen that cartoon.

Instead of nuking the Middle East as Fildien has suggested I would rather gather up all religious people, put them in the middle of the Pacific on rafts and do the same.




I can live with that, let's start with Scientologists first! :D

Has anyone ever read Terry Goodkind's last book Confessor? He has such an interesting way in describing the pitfalls of man who take religion/beliefs to heart too much. Though the last book did suck compared to the rest of the series :( The idea of banishing to an alternate world all the idiots is appealing!

Who decides who the idiots are?

Why me of course.

Fil, the Final Arbiter! :eek:

teehee