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Authorities in Kansas said a woman who died after a car crash had been shot in the heart by pellet gun fired by her 14-year-old son.

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Police in Wichita said 40-year-old Elizabeth White had been arguing with her 73-year-old father outside his house Tuesday and the boy fired the gun when she threatened her father with a pair of scissors. They said she then drove off in the car but lost control, apparently because of the wound. She died at the hospital.

Authorities have ruled the death a justifiable homicide.

The boy got the pellet gun for Christmas.

Give the kid a medal.

Authorities have ruled the death a justifiable homicide.

The boy will grow up to be 'The Punisher'. Justifiable homicide? I wonder why they ruled it that way?

ok, now, as a kid, I looked everywhere for the most powerful pellet gun possible. Since when can pellet guns pierce the skin?

The boy will grow up to be 'The Punisher'. Justifiable homicide? I wonder why they ruled it that way?

Which is what I was referring to. There has to be more to this story.

A pellet gun at close range may break skin and actually draw blood if it has enough pressure. I know blowback operated airsoft guns that use CO2 cannisters for propulsion can anyway, because one of my friends thought it would be funny to shoot me with one. It wasn't a very deep wound mind you, I have no idea how a standard pellet gun using a copper BB (I think thats generally speaking the standard ammunition for one) could go that deep.

If, in the act of defending the life of one, you take action that costs the life of the one threatening the other, you are considered to be justified in many instances.

I wonder if the grandfather gave the kid the pellet gun.

Then again. I could see This (http://www.airsoftshogun.com/P_523.htm) being able to do that. 500 feet per second, sheesh.

Damn. They didn't make those when I was a kid. That or I never knew about them.

If it's true, then they should take a serious look at these guns in the hands of children. Dont' get me wrong, I'm a gun advocate, but not for kids, especially if they have this kind of power nowadays. When I was a kid, we used to have pellet gun fights. Hell.. I got stung and cut a dozen times with them, but never anything crazy (yeah, we were stupid.. but we were kids with guns).

We were lucky we didn't blind each other back then, I can't imagine what could happen if these things have the power at ANY range to penetrate into the heart. Spooky stuff.

The leniency for the kids is probably due to the fact he's a kid. If she was threatening someone he cared for with a pair of scissors, and believed that she WOULD use them, it's justifiable.

Man speaking of pellet gun fights......

several years ago when I was in the army me and my buddies thought it would be fun to have a fight at my apartment. There were four of us and two of my friends were climbing on the roof...well my neighbors called the cops (of course we didn't know) I come running around the corner and there are two cops weapons drawn on him....man that's never a good scene. Luckily he was smart enough to drop his weapon and sling his hands in the air and keep his mouth shut and do what they told him to do.


I went off topic in my own thread. Sheesh.

Hell often 10 year olds are shooting shotguns and 22's by then. I am skeptical of this pellet gun that was actually able to pierce the skin deep enough to affect the heart. I smell bad reporting...now if the kid shot the mother in the eye!

Yeah, pellet guns can easily pierce skin. You can get rifles with about 1000 feet per second muzzle velocity at Walmart for about $100.

I'm not surprised. I always figured the pellet gun was the paintball gun's tame sibling, and I've had my eyebrow split open by a paintball at a decent range ... anything that puts that much velocity into such a small area can rupture the skin.

Used to have the bb gun fights myself when I was a kid. I won't even share that story with my son due to the wounds/scars I have. The bb/pellet guns nowdays seem to have more muzzle velocity.

And yes, I'm a pro gun nut who won't let my kid near it.....does that smack of hypocrisy?

Fandros

A friend of mine owned a .22 pellet gun when we were kids. I can guarantee it would do serious damage if he pumped it up sufficiently. This was 30 years ago, so they have been around a long long time.

Don't confuse a weapon like that with your Red Ryder BB gun.

All that aside, I feel for the kid. Killing his own mother was probably not what he was trying to do.

Going to require a lifetime of therapy I would wager. At most I'm sure the kid was thinking it might hurt just enough to scare his mom.

That was his Kobiashemaru...errr spelling is nowhere near what they intended in Star Trek I think.

Fandros

Woah, nice geek ref there, Fandros!

/hangs head...

Thor, I'm afraid my geekdom knows no bounds...

Fandros

It's a good thing you're posting on an EQ board. ;) Here, you only get made fun of for that sort of stuff if you have the decorative plate collection.

Does it count if it's only the 7 of 9 ( nude edition) decorative plate collection?

Fandros

What's wrong with decrorative plates? *hides the figurines*

They also sell pellets designed for hunting small game with pointed tips. Perhaps he used one of those, and not one of the wadcutter types.

Crazy bitch running around with scissors, I probably would have done the same thing.

/Shrug

Friend of mine wound up with a bb permanently lodged inside his brain, damn near the center from a simple Wal-Mart pump BB-Gun. Freak accident for sure.

Been taught how to properly handle firearms since I was 8 years old in Cub Scouts, never any problem. But Every kid is different too, funny how it always comes back to good parenting or lack thereof being the deciding factor in things like this.

funny how it always comes back to good parenting or lack thereof being the deciding factor in things like this




BINGO!

Suffice to say, threatening a 73 year old grandfather with a pair of scissors in front of her son does not lend confidence in the mother's parenting skills.

natural selection then?

*hides the figurines*

They're STATUES, man! :eek:

not to derail more but...

'Action Figures' is the correct terminology

*pulls the strings on his talking Darth Vader*

Authorities in Kansas said a woman who died after a car crash had been shot in the heart by pellet gun fired by her 14-year-old son.


BB gun? I can see how that could potentially provide sufficient velocity to penetrate the chest wall. But a pellet gun? I think I may have to ask our Msgt. when we're up for training on whatever type that kid was using.

I have a sneaking suspicion it was likely a .22 being misquoted, I can not imagine any CO2 cartridge with sufficient pressure to send a pellet through the chest cavity with enough force to damage the heart even if it was fired point-blank. A .22 bullet on the other hand, while being only slightly larger visibly, has something like 5x the muzzle velocity. But hey, stranger things have happened if you get people moving in the wrong direction towards an object at an impossibly lucky angle.

The aforementioned BB incident went through his skull, so not out of the realm of possibility, and there is always that freaky lucky shot...

I kind of like this one: http://www.speedydelivery.co.uk/air-guns-pistols/air-pistol--co2---gas----sig-sauer-p232-spp232.shtml

ok, now, as a kid, I looked everywhere for the most powerful pellet gun possible. Since when can pellet guns pierce the skin?

I had a pellet gun that was a air pump type model. You were supposed to only pump it up 3 - 5 times but being a kid I would pump it until I would damn near have to stand on the pump arm(front hand stock) to pump it. It would shoot through walls. Shot it once through my wall/insolation/next wall and left a small dent in the wall accross the guest room. Needless to say mom was pissed...LOL Pellet guns can most certainly kill. Especially squirrels and un-ruly moms apperantly.

I have a BB in my head (pierced the skin, but didn't get past the skull... didn't know it was still there till it healed over). I think I have one in my stomach too. I know I was bleeding, and now I have a mysterious bump... I also got hit just below the eye and have a scar from that. It bounced off my cheek bone. Had it been up about 1cm I would have lost my eye.

This was with a CO2 powered pistol that could fire BBs or Pelets.

Funny though, getting in a gunfight with BB guns with my brother, running out of ammo and deciding it was a smart idea to charge him while he shot at me was the SECOND stupidest thing I did as a teenager.

P.S. Anyone know if having a copper BB residing under my skin is a health hazard? I plan on having it cut out eventually, but I'm procrastinating on going in for a checkup. Gonna ask the doctor then what he thinks.