This forum is a vast, left-wing conspiracy.

[Malse]

You also might want to actually watch the video.

It'd have to be on Faux first so he could feel safe that it would only affirm his existing opinions.

[akipt]

Malse, spend more time fucking your right hand and less time making an ass of yourself in public.

[Malse]

That's a very cogent and enlightening reply. I'm glad you provided such a thorough explanation of your thought process on the subject. I'll work on making more of an ass of myself, your last few months of posting has been a wonderful case study. Do you remember back when you actually had anything to say? I liked you a lot more then.

[DiscW]

Off to ffa we go!

[akipt]

Nice post deletes. But you left this one up?

It'd have to be on Faux first so he could feel safe that it would only affirm his existing opinions.Nice selective editorializing. Very indicative of the problem here these days.

Just in case anyone missed it, you can go fuck yourself Malse. Your time is better spent that way.

And to respond to your little rant that San ironically saw fit to delete, if you don't like the dish, don't fucking serve it up. Welcome to the growing list of hypocritical assholes around here.

[akipt]

No, your obvious bias is very telling. And the treatment of people with opposing views around here lately demonstrates to me that this board's majority and editors would rather live in an echo chamber.

And they're getting it.

[Sanchek]

I guess I just don't see the point of all your vitriol. You're just making yourself into a caricature of what you're being called out on.

[Malse]

That's rich, people asking you to try intersperse your vacuous ad hominems with a reasonable facsimile of a coherent response are trying to form an echo chamber?

(delete me, I hurt widdle feelings).

[Sixee]

Now those are some $12 words there, Malse.

I applaud moving this to FFA, it really doesn't belong in Real Life Issues.

[Sanchek]

No, your obvious bias is very telling. And the treatment of people with opposing views around here lately demonstrates to me that this board's majority and editors would rather live in an echo chamber.

Anyone that's been here longer than a week would have to be batshit crazy to accuse me of editorializing for Obama or "the liberals". I think Obama and McCain are both so far from what we need, they might as well be the same candidate.

[Malse]

Just in case anyone missed it, you can go fuck yourself Malse. Your time is better spent that way.


My time is better spent pretending I know absolutely everything about electricity because my job is remotely connected to it, I'm sure. I have no problem calling you a moron on the internet, you used to be quite happy when I did it to other people on your behalf. I still remember you as the fun shaman I used to hang out with back in the day in EQ, I whole-heartedly endorsed your application to the guild back then, because I thought you were a good guy.

You see, I don't actually want to call you a moron on the internet, despite the ample evidence you provide to that end. I'm honestly curious what your possible rationalization is for this. You see, I know you live off the milk of the defense industry. I don't begrudge you that. I makes sense to me that based on that you have a certain bias towards a world-view that not only affirms that work but sits in a a fairly well known mythologized idea of America (tm)(r).

Do you have some reasonable basis for a major news outlet acting as a propaganda mouthpiece? Or are you just going to tell me to fuck off and go back to the "echo chamber" that exists precisely because the people who can provide a counterpoint are too busy screaming and yelling?

The only point in even reading this stuff is to get other people's opinions. The ones that agree with me, few and far between as they often are (hint: I'm not a Democrat and won't, nor have ever planned to, vote for Obama) frankly aren't very interesting unless they extensively cite sources (Smidget has been very good at this). On the other hand, people that post things I have not or would not have thought of provide a useful counterpoint to thought over. Maybe they're right. Maybe they're wrong.

Or we can just stick with "My girlfriend is hotter than yours, spend time with Rosey Palms." If that's what it takes to make you feel better in that bunker you're digging, where only things you like to hear get said.

[akipt]

Anyone that's been here longer than a week would have to be batshit crazy to accuse me of editorializing for Obama or "the liberals". I think Obama and McCain are both so far from what we need, they might as well be the same candidate.It's your thread is it not? And after you deleted all the derail posts except the insult that caused it, you should be able to see my point of view and cause of crying fowl.

You see, I know you live off the milk of the defense industry. I offered that up freely to you all so you'd know my perspective back when I first took this job. Twice it's been used against me though, thanks for that. And FYI, I took a considerable pay cut to serve in the the position I'm in now. You can thank me sometime later for the million in tax dollars I've saved tax payers in the 10 months I've been here.

Or are you just going to tell me to fuck off and go back to the "echo chamber" that exists precisely because the people who can provide a counterpoint are too busy screaming and yelling? you're still hipocritin. Don't serve the dish up unless you like it in return.

[Sanchek]

It's your thread is it not? And after you deleted all the derail posts except the insult that caused it, you should be able to see my point of view and cause of crying fowl.

Sorry, I wasn't trying to favor either way. It's usually hard to pick where to draw the line, without moving the entire thread.

[Haloface]

Oh man this is good stuff. Though I'd like a little more swearing.

[Sixee]

#%&*! $$*&! How's that Halo?

[DiscW]

No, your obvious bias is very telling. And the treatment of people with opposing views around here lately demonstrates to me that this board's majority and editors would rather live in an echo chamber.

And they're getting it.

While I certainly wouldn't say sanchek has been super-awsome-mod, the idea that he's modding based on left-wing ideals is fucking hilarious.

[Akom of Cazic Thule]

Boo... back to the boring, old dead FFA.

[Greystone Thorngage]

vacuous ad hominems....wtf no german here, we arent smart enough to know what that is.

Akipt you keep pointing out the faults "around here", much like a TV show you dont like you can change the channel. You have to except the good and the bad, and have thick skin to be here, why its suddenly bothering you now is beyond me. Been that way for 7+ years, including the democratic lean here.

[Taleren Bloodsong]

vacuous ad hominems....wtf no german here, we arent smart enough to know what that is.

Akipt you keep pointing out the faults "around here", much like a TV show you dont like you can change the channel. You have to except the good and the bad, and have thick skin to be here, why its suddenly bothering you now is beyond me. Been that way for 7+ years, including the democratic lean here.

Speak for yourself.

And on your second paragraph, no it hasn't always been modded the same way it is now. If it's not touting Ron Paul, or someone might like a different candidate than Sanchek, the poster gets told they only feel that way because of TV, etc. It IS getting very tiring, and not just for the Republicans here. Sanchek is killing the board because he feels some sick desire to shout down anyone with any sort of opposing view as an idiot. If he's going to attempt to mod in the fashion that he has been, he needs to remove himself from being active in the threads he's modding, it has an obvious air of favoritism (of his own personal beliefs). It's ineffective to mod a forum to specifically suit the belief structure of the moderators. It removes any possibility for honest, enlightening, or real discourse.

[Sanchek]

Show me where I've censored opposing opinion that didn't degenerate into ad hom. Keep in mind that I started moderating the ad homs due to feedback from the board, including yourself.

I couldn't care less if people don't agree with my political views, if they can manage to discuss it at the grown ups' table.

[Taleren Bloodsong]

Yes, I don't like constant swearing and personal insults thrown at people in the real life threads. Yes I commented on that to you.

You are over modding everything now though.

I couldn't care less if people don't agree with my political views, if they can manage to discuss it at the grown ups' table.

Since this is the appropriate forum to swear, there's a one word answer for this response. Bullshit.

But that's fine, keep telling yourself you are doing a great job. Posting is down for several members in the RL forum, myself included due to tired way threads are handled anymore. You bad mouth someone in a thread. Apparently it's fine for you to do so. When they respond in kind, you split the thread off.

Grey, if you can't see how this is tiring for a mod to act in this fashion, than I don't know how to respond. Sanchek is the main moderator here now, but that doesn't make it solely his playground. This is EVERYONE's forum that's been posting here for in some cases seven years or longer. We are well within our right to voice displeasure with a change in direction for the forum. That doesn't mean Sanchek has to like it, or act on it. We have every right to post said displeasure though.

[Sanchek]

Again, show me where I've censored your views from this board. How many Ron Paul threads are there and how many Obama/McCain threads are there?

In fact, the last rep hit I gave someone was a positive one to L2 for that awesome Obama post in the split thread.

edit: Heh, and the one before that was to Akipt for his very solid post on the Fox News thing, after the ad hom stuff got split out.

Clearly, I only allow and encourage opinions exactly the same as mine. :rolleyes:

[Taleren Bloodsong]

My views? No I can't show you that because I don't generally resort to swearing in the RL threads. Others though, I could do that if you really wanted.

Bad mouthing someone and then them responding and you splitting the thread isn't technically censoring them, but it does impact their voice.

It's not hard to find examples of you trying to shout someone down though if they don't hold Ron Paul dear, devolving into personal insults that you don't like them to respond too. Your responses to Fandros perfectly illustrate that point. Also, what rep you give is a moot point in this discussion. I am discussing your posting habits, it's not like everyone sees the rep you give out, nor should they. It's hilarious though that you'd try to use the rep system that you say is so broken to attempt to justify the way you talk down to people in threads you are involved in.

[Greystone Thorngage]

Speak for yourself.

The fact i called a latin phrase german should of been the indicator of sarcasm sir :P

As far as the modding, i do dislike the constant split offs. I do dislike the mudslinging done here (that i am guilty of occasionally). For some reason the fact that ******** has a name filter does make me go wtf...but in the end this forum does help pass my day, i just roll with the punches. If it got to the point i didnt want to post here i would speak up.

To add, there is some logic to if you post in a thread you shouldnt be able to mod/manipulate the thread.

[Taleren Bloodsong]

sanchek only has a name filter on if you misspell his name.

[Taleren Bloodsong]

The fact i called a latin phrase german should of been the indicator of sarcasm sir :P

As far as the modding, i do dislike the constant split offs. I do dislike the mudslinging done here (that i am guilty of occasionally). For some reason the fact that ******** has a name filter does make me go wtf...but in the end this forum does help pass my day, i just roll with the punches. If it got to the point i didnt want to post here i would speak up.

To add, there is some logic to if you post in a thread you shouldnt be able to mod/manipulate the thread.
But you bad mouth the other people that choose to speak up, tell them to quit posting, and avoid the site?

[Greystone Thorngage]

i see your point, but consistant whining without offering solutions is what i was referring to. You sir, are offering more specific examples, with some thought, other posts have been 9year old someone took my toy tantrums, that i find tiresome.

[Greystone Thorngage]

sanchek only has a name filter on if you misspell his name.


lol for years i have spelled his name wrong

[Sanchek]

It's not hard to find examples of you trying to shout someone down though if they don't hold Ron Paul dear, devolving into personal insults that you don't like them to respond too.

If you post flagrantly ignorant information, I'm going to call you on it. Especially when it comes to my candidate.

You do (http://ayonae.com/showpost.php?p=145675&postcount=230) the (http://ayonae.com/showpost.php?p=145744&postcount=250) same (http://ayonae.com/showpost.php?p=145877&postcount=276).

Unfortunately, those sort of posts are very common when it comes to Ron Paul. Most people never learned more about him than the television told them, nor saw him speak unedited by the networks.

It's hilarious though that you'd try to use the rep system that you say is so broken to attempt to justify the way you talk down to people in threads you are involved in.

If you look at my posts on the reputation system, which you obviously read, I was very clear that it's still a good system for commenting on posts.

At this point, you're just trying to find anything you can to keep the vitriol train rolling.

[Jedd Corpse]

It seems like everyone on these forums has to have someone to hate or fight with. I guess I need to post more to take the load off of sanchek

[Taleren Bloodsong]

If you post flagrantly ignorant information, I'm going to call you on it. Especially when it comes to my candidate.

You do (http://ayonae.com/showpost.php?p=145675&postcount=230) the (http://ayonae.com/showpost.php?p=145744&postcount=250) same (http://ayonae.com/showpost.php?p=145877&postcount=276).

Unfortunately, those sort of posts are very common when it comes to Ron Paul. Most people never learned more about him than the television told them, nor saw him speak unedited by the networks.



If you look at my posts on the reputation system, which you obviously read, I was very clear that it's still a good system for commenting on posts.

At this point, you're just trying to find anything you can to keep the vitriol train rolling.

I've read a bunch more on Ron Paul than most Obama voters out there for sure. He has some good ideas imo, and some wackjob ideas imo. I DON'T think he was given a fair shake by the GOP.

That said, that doesn't make me uninformed simply because he's not the candidate that I feel best represents me. Just because a person doesn't support Ron Paul, it doesn't make them unimformed about Ron Paul (though that's certainly common that many are uninformed about the guy).

[Sanchek]

Like I've told you (and others), if you want to vote for Obama or McCain based on your research, I think that's great. It's the people who make uninformed or unwitting votes that I begrudge.

[Taleren Bloodsong]

As far as the things you quoted of mine, they did not break any forum rules as far as I know, and there was no swearing involved in any of them. All three of them were directed at Osi, who per his own admission is trying to get a rise out of people.

The first one you quoted was a comment that I wasn't going to feed Osi by going batshit crazy, and I was guessing at his response (which had become pretty much a template).

The second I'm not going to go dig through the thread, I don't remember the specific post at all.

The third I specifically asked what he found to be so objectionable in the video he posted other than xenophobic views. From there I commented exactly how I felt about the video in response too, you know, him posting the video to elicit a response. I would have loved for him to actually come back and answer what he found so objectionable in the video.

[Sanchek]

Right. You didn't break any rules, but also didn't just smile and nod when someone falsely disparaged your candidate. Don't expect me to either.

Let's face it, you can't discuss politics with a thin skin, anywhere. Especially not on the Interwebs.

[Sixee]

I thought it was Intertubes?

Regardless, this board does lean to the Left, but that's not generally a bad thing. Its good to have an alternative point of view, and that's 1 of the reasons I come here.

That and the board sex Fild posted about in another thread.....

[velvetsilence]

It's the IntraTubes! get it right!

I don't see this board as "left" at all. frankly I view it more in terms of Progressive's. as in those who believe our government and taxs monies are best spent in pursuit of policies that beneifit and lift up all of the citizens!

The worst result of the Neo-Con movement has been to paint and influence public Opinion that anyone who happens to hold a view that doesnt buy lock,stock, and barrel the extreme right wing view as far left whack jobs. its patently untrue and ignores what is a wide ranging middle ground that encompasses probably 80% of the populace.

[fildien]

That and the board sex Fild posted about in another thread.....

I first read that as "bored sex" and wondered what the hell you are talking about. Then I realized it was you :p

I consider this forum to generally contain opinionated folks who discuss topics interesting to me. It's also a place that I sometimes learn new things or find out about things I never knew existed. I sometimes use it to vent, sometimes to be silly or act like an ass where I can't be in public (I miss Shep's ignorance some days). But overall I enjoy it muy muchly :) I don't care if it's left-wing, right-wing, up-wing, or down-wing it's just a place to chat. Some of you take things way way way too personal. You need a hearty slap on your ass and a stiff drink. Honestly in the grand scheme of things who gives a rat's ass if someone likes your candidate or views? If you were a politicker you probably wouldn't be here looking for public support b/c we're just a few average joes.

Of course, I think some of you play a little devil's advocate from time to time. Forums are a good place for this!