Found this on MSN this morning... I felt it should be brought to your attention and shared.

Ted Nugent to Fellow NRAers: Get Hardcore
Apr 17, 12:32 PM EST



With an assault weapon in each hand, rocker and gun rights advocate Ted Nugent urged National Rifle Association members to be "hardcore, radical extremists demanding the right to self defense."

Speaking at the NRA's annual convention Saturday, Nugent said each NRA member should try to enroll 10 new members over the next year and associate only with other members.

"Let's next year sit here and say, 'Holy smokes, the NRA has 40 million members now,'" he said. "No one is allowed at our barbecues unless they are an NRA member. Do that in your life."

Nugent sang and played a guitar painted with red and white stripes for the crowd at Houston's downtown convention center.

He drew the most cheers when he told gun owners they should never give up their right to bear arms and should use their guns to protect themselves if needed.

"Remember the Alamo! Shoot 'em!" he screamed to applause. "To show you how radical I am, I want carjackers dead. I want rapists dead. I want burglars dead. I want child molesters dead. I want the bad guys dead. No court case. No parole. No early release. I want 'em dead. Get a gun and when they attack you, shoot 'em."



Of course... he WAS in Texas at the time....

I want Ted Nugent DEAD!

To think someone who could make an album as great as Cat Scratch Fever would ever associate himself with big business, which after all is what the NRA is all about, is very depressiing to this aged psyche of mine.

Oh well, I will still always be able to listen to him sing "Hey Baby" and fondly remember the several ladies and occasions when that song was playing:cool:

Noodge!

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I happen to share his feelings on what should be done to rapists, buglars, murderers etc... kill em all.

' I happen to share his feelings on what should be done to rapists, buglars, murderers etc... kill em all.'

- Yeah, fuck justice and all that shit your country was "founded" on. Infact, while you're at it, get a fascist autocratic government up and running and let's get the mass-exterimination of unfavoured parties under way!

HaloChanter dribbled electrons on the page and spouted:

Yeah, fuck justice and all that shit your country was "founded" on. Infact, while you're at it, get a fascist autocratic government up and running and let's get the mass-exterimination of unfavoured parties under way!

UNFAVORED PARTIES ??? You mean, like known, convicted criminals with a record as long as your arm, getting "time off for good behavior", or getting off completely due to a minor technicality in evidence handling ? I don't care WHY a particular perp broke the law. The bottom line is, they broke the law. And should pay accordingly. That is the heart of what JUSTICE is about. What we get from the courts these days, is jurisprudence, not Justice. . .

Pray tell, what positive aspects do burglars, murderers, and rapists add to our lives ???

I'm starting to like this Sotarr fellow :)

"Remember the Alamo! Shoot 'em!" he screamed to applause. "To show you how radical I am, I want carjackers dead. I want rapists dead. I want burglars dead. I want child molesters dead. I want the bad guys dead. No court case. No parole. No early release. I want 'em dead. Get a gun and when they attack you, shoot 'em."

Because we at the NRA are all about (cough) *responsible* gun ownership...

I realize that he was 'preaching to the choir' here, but with spokespeople like Nugent, the NRA doesn't need enemies... ;)

Regards,
Nydia

Id have to agree with Nydia on that simple fact NRA doesn't need an old rock stock as its spokes person. Deep down though I believe the same way as Ted though especiallu with all the sick'os killing 12 year old girls in Florida lately. There is no fucking justice.

Nugent is too extreme for me, but I share similar views on child molesters and rapists. Prison overcrowding a problem? Gas the lot of em. No one will mourn them but the Catholic Priests who heard their confessions and then went and committed the same acts.

'HaloChanter dribbled electrons on the page and spouted:'

- Hey, skippy, I'm the mother fuckin' police around here. Watch your tounge or keep it behind your teeth the next time your brain churns out some half-arsed-runny remark equated with the English language.
If you have something to say, put your hand up, and if I'm feeling like I give a rats arse, you may speak.

'UNFAVORED PARTIES ??? You mean, like known, convicted criminals with a record as long as your arm, getting "time off for good behavior", or getting off completely due to a minor technicality in evidence handling ?'

- Yes, thats exactly the unfavoured parties I meant. I'm glad that you're keeping up with my posts, reading and the grasping of concepts are key elements in posting on the Ayonae Ro Forums. Well done Skippy, well done that man.

'I don't care WHY a particular perp broke the law.'

- So we're bundling Jay-walkers and graffiti artists in with rapists and serial killers? Well All-right-tey then. I'm glad we came to the party with shit in our brains and led in our arses. Oh nos, I double-parked, COCK THE PISTOL AND COUNT TO TEN!

'I don't care WHY a particular perp broke the law. The bottom line is, they broke the law. And should pay accordingly.'

- You don't pay anything when you get a bullet in the brain. Usually the government pays for the bullet, the guy that fired it, and the administration involved in handling said act of extermination. Oohh, I feel like I'm in Stalinist Europe.

'That is the heart of what JUSTICE is about.'

- Shooting people? Tell me, how is the mental institution these days? Those re-runs of Unforgiven and Once Upon A Time in the West gettin' to ya?

'What we get from the courts these days, is jurisprudence, not Justice.'

- Well dang-nam-it, and the solution all this time was right infront of us, in the form of mass-execution. Why didn't the brains in Washington think of this already? If a guy is a criminal - guilty of not, what with no courts allowed and thus no right to defend one's self, which inevitably leads to the freedom of being innocent until proven guilty erradicated from society - blow his of her head off and just start digging the mass graves.
History can look back and smile! The Day We Decided To Bury Our Troubles, Literally.

'Pray tell, what positive aspects do burglars, murderers, and rapists add to our lives ???'

- The thought that one day, they'll come for you, and spare us another fucking reply.

..."hardcore, radical extremists demanding the right to self defense."
Really, Ted, I think you've already got your wish, there being no shortage of NRA crazies. But the NRA's radical extremism has little to nothing to do with fending off the criminal element through sensible gun laws and responsible ownership and more to do with lobbying for an 'anything goes' approach to placing weapons into the hands of citizens.

Pray tell, what positive aspects do burglars, murderers, and rapists add to our lives ???

Hey, it's a shitty job, but somebody has to do it.

I think the groups Halo is refering to are one's that contain people like Judge Greer of Florida. conservative, southern baptist. him and any one else that refuses goosestep to the music and "Toe the party line". I'd imagine it would also include Democrats who wish to stand in opposition of the house Republicans from changing the rules to protect thier very crooked majority leaders. the same who made the rule what it currently is during the Clinton administration to make it easier to go after any "slimy" dems.
Lets not forget Gay's, Godless heathens who dont attend church, anyone engaging in pre-marital sex, enviromentalists, unions....
it's also a little ironic how the problems in Florida with sex offenders are happening in a state that has been under rebuplican control for some time now. whereas a stauncly democratic state like Washington where i formely lived had law struck down as un-constitutional that would have allowed a sex offender to remain incarcirated indefinately if the DoC found that they represented a danger to society and where likely to re-offend.
And trust me as someone who a month ago moved a 10 year old to daughter to Florida i'm keenly aware of the gravity of the situation here and just how badly this state has mismanaged its sex offenders

I share similar views on child molesters and rapists. Prison overcrowding a problem? Gas the lot of em.

I have no problem with executing rapists and child molesters, but with the extraordinary numbers of "convicted" people being found innocent now with DNA science available I would like to hold back a bit on mass executions.

I will be more than happy to volunteer my services to hit the switch on the jerk in Florida who held the girl across the street from her family, and buried her alive; that is a case I do not believe needs to waste tax payer money on a trial.

- Hey, skippy, I'm the mother fuckin' police around here. Watch your tounge or keep it behind your teeth the next time your brain churns out some half-arsed-runny remark equated with the English language.
If you have something to say, put your hand up, and if I'm feeling like I give a rats arse, you may speak.

Ah, yes. Free speech for me, but not for thee. And you're calling OUR side autocrats ???



'I don't care WHY a particular perp broke the law.'

- So we're bundling Jay-walkers and graffiti artists in with rapists and serial killers? Well All-right-tey then. I'm glad we came to the party with shit in our brains and led in our arses. Oh nos, I double-parked, COCK THE PISTOL AND COUNT TO TEN!

Nice strawman. Too bad it missed the mark entirely. . .

'I don't care WHY a particular perp broke the law. The bottom line is, they broke the law. And should pay accordingly.'

- You don't pay anything when you get a bullet in the brain. Usually the government pays for the bullet, the guy that fired it, and the administration involved in handling said act of extermination. Oohh, I feel like I'm in Stalinist Europe.

Note my statement: one crucial little word: "accordingly". The punishment should fit the crime. Oh, and where WAS Stalinist Europe ? Most of it was free, and all of it is now. Yet they also pay attention to law and order. . .

'That is the heart of what JUSTICE is about.'

- Shooting people? Tell me, how is the mental institution these days? Those re-runs of Unforgiven and Once Upon A Time in the West gettin' to ya?

Nice Ad-hominem. And, again, way wide of the mark. Justice is about the guilty being punished by society proportionally to their transgressions against it. Kind of hard to make up for a murder, and pretty hard to quell the fear and horror caused by rape. . . . .

'What we get from the courts these days, is jurisprudence, not Justice.'

- Well dang-nam-it, and the solution all this time was right infront of us, in the form of mass-execution. Why didn't the brains in Washington think of this already? If a guy is a criminal - guilty of not, what with no courts allowed and thus no right to defend one's self, which inevitably leads to the freedom of being innocent until proven guilty erradicated from society - blow his of her head off and just start digging the mass graves.

And an attempt at reductio ad absurdium as well !! Well, you've hit all the debate techniques. . . just none of them well.

I merely say this: if a criminal is convicted by a jury of his or her peers, they should face sentence appropriate to the crime committed. And punished thusly. And I do mean PUNISHMENT. No TV. No Libraries. No Rec centers or weight rooms. No amenities that aren't EARNED by hard labor. If you're a con, and you want more than survival rations and a multivitamin tablet in the morning. . . .you're gonna have to work. . . .and so on. . .


'Pray tell, what positive aspects do burglars, murderers, and rapists add to our lives ???'

- The thought that one day, they'll come for you, and spare us another fucking reply.

They'd likely end up dead. We ALL know how to use a variety of weapons, and have them in all sorts of assorted, but safe, places throughout our home. . .

Q. What's the difference between the ACLU and the NRA?


A. Nothing, they both protect criminals by perverting the Constitution.

Fil

There are many sides to this issue... and no matter who you talk with, one side is perceived as being right and the other side is perceived as being wrong.

Whether you agree or disagree with the statements made by Ted Nugent, it does reflect a part of our society that will have to be dealt with in one way or another.

We see in the newspapers every day about a killer, rapist, robber, (insert criminal type here) that gets around the law because of a technicality. We read about people who are assaulted or killed and the criminal seems to get away with it or serves a minimal amount of time. We also see a large number of REPEAT offenders.

The NRA / Ted Nugent have simply voiced their outrage, indignation and anger at a system that does not seem to be quelling the tide of rampant crime in our streets.

At some point in time, there will be a revolution to set things "straight". Whatever "straight" is will be decided by those who "win" the revolution. I'm not talking about armed conflict in the streets, but there is a certain amount of vigilantism that occurs because the justice system in this country does not seem to correct the problems.

We will probably see more of it in the future, but at some point it will reach critical mass and we will see change. It may or may not be in our lifetime, but our children and grandchildren will see it.

Society (read that as the general public) will put up with things for just so long and then they will act.... either with a weapon or at the voting booth.

Prisons have come a long way since I was a child... and I do remember seeing chain gangs along the highway. Prison was someplace we didn't want to go and we made sure we stayed out of it... by not killing, stealing, assaulting etc. Again, society will eventually decide the outcome and will make a decision about the "morality" of the death penalty or other extreme forms of punishment.

I don't believe that prisoners should be tortured, but making prison a less accomodating and pleasant place to be would be a step in the right direction. They are, after all... criminals. Perhaps if we made prisons hell holes once again, fewer people would be willing to take the risks that might put them there.

*tosses two coppers in the hat*

Ted's a wacko, and anyone who wants to rally against responsible gun ownership is going to use his stupid quotes against us for a long time to come.

In the meantime, I'm in favor of 6 pall bearers over 12 jurors for a lot of these shitbags too.

I like Ted Nugent. He reminds me of how stupid fanatical people can be.

He's a perfect example of why the NRA has a repution of being crazy gun fanatics that live in the forest, run a miltia and think every single gun should be easily accessible. Even though many people in it that I've met actually seem to be pretty sane.

And trust me as someone who a month ago moved a 10 year old to daughter to Florida i'm keenly aware of the gravity of the situation here and just how badly this state has mismanaged its sex offenders

I'm not sure of the current case, but I believe the Jessica Lunsford case was complicated by the perp being from out of state. A lot of criticism has been leveled at the lack of a nationwide sex offender database, and I'm sure you'll see one put in place soonish.

I want the bad guys dead. No court case. No parole. No early release. I want 'em dead. Get a gun and when they attack you, shoot 'em."


Elemak:
I happen to share his feelings on what should be done to rapists, buglars, murderers etc... kill em all.

YAAAAAA CUZ GENOCIDE IS TEH KOOLEST!

God, you are such a stupid faggot. No court cases? Are you both fucking retarded?
Now all we need to do is find who these people that are criminals, or even better, to find people who are LIKELY to be criminals... NOW WE ARE TALKING BABY.. GRAB YOUR CLUBS, FIRE UP THE OVENS.. WHOOOOO HOOOOOOO

In every single instance of genocide from Armenia in the 1910s, to the Holocaust, to the Bosnia, Rwanda, Somalia, every single instance they labeled the victims "criminals".
That then makes whatever you do "okay" in the name of "justice"

Congrats on being a proud member of the lowest 1% of the human gene pool.
The pathetic irony is that you belong to a organization that exists to protect freedom, yet you have absolutly no idea what the concept entails.

Is it me or Halo and L2 are coming back here at the same time...?

Yeah you're right, we should protect the lives of all the rapists, murderers and every criminal out there. I'm sure they only do it becaue their father beat them, or some other excuse.

You're telling me that we should protect people like this man (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7535840/) or this one (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7277675/)
or maybe the one involved in this (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7456747/). because rapists are always such wonderful citizens.

Theres a pretty big difference between putting a bullet into the head of a child rapist, and the atrocities commited by the Nazi party. Some day when you learn that, you can play with the rest of the adults.

Might be a good idea to learn what veiled sarcasm is too.

I myself am not a fan of guns. However, if someone breaks into your home, by all means shoot. If, however, the police arrest someone as a prime suspect in a murder, rape, abduction, etc. Shooting them is not an option. They need to go to court, have evidence heard....and IF they prove that the person did the crime, by all means sentence them to death.

Nugent seems to just wanna run about shooting people he believes are evil. In his world, you just pull up records of known sex offenders, then go shoot them down one by one. Now, you really think this is sane??

My take is that if there is no shadow of a doubt that you are guilty of murder or rape, (Seen doing the crime, DNA, real strong evidence, body parts in your home, video of it, ect) then you should be given the death sentence for murder and castration for rape. And have the sentence served less than a week after its handed out. No appeals, no years of court cases. Also they should make trials and the sentencing alot shorter rather than the years long processes they have now.
If there is reasonable doubt then by all means go through due process as normal. (as in self defense, accidental situations, ect)
I do agree that prisons should be places of punishment tho. They should give you just the barest essentials and thats it. No TV's, radios, games, ect. Make it a hellhole and you may think twice about returning there imho.

My take is that if there is no shadow of a doubt that you are guilty of murder or rape, (Seen doing the crime, DNA, real strong evidence, body parts in your home, video of it, ect) then you should be given the death sentence for murder and castration for rape. And have the sentence served less than a week after its handed out. No appeals, no years of court cases.

Yea, there has to be a balance somewhere between the two point of views.

Those people who really deserve it and there is no doubt of their guilt should be fried/shot/hanged but by all means.

However there is really no need to go down a road that leads to a future where there is no due process and public stonings and mob justice are fashionable.

No, I believee we of course need due process. But in many of these recent cases the guys have admitted their guilt. They've just given up once caught and said "yeah I did it"

But there will always be cases where it's grey, not 100% positive, those should get their appeals and what not. But if proven guilty, none of this life imprisonment. Just one bullet to the head, two if they keep twitching. These people aren't worthy of a third chance. If you're capable of raping and murdering a child in cold blood I think you've proven that you don't beling in our society or deserve to continue breathing.

And the part of my point that L2 missed I think is that these guys weren't just suspects. They said they did it, and all the evidence supports their admission of guilt. So I'm pretty damn sure they did it. It's not some case of , oh well we think this guy that did it before, might have done it again so lets lynch 'em.

If that were the case, try them first, if convicted with ample evidence by a jury. *then* put the bullet in their head. If not convicted, have a nice day.

The problem is most criminals aren't afraid of jail. It used to be a bad place to go. Now it's club med with jumpsuits.

Oh, so now you've realised the complete fucking retardedness of the comments that DRIBBLED out of your faggot fucking mouth you're all for court cases? OH NOS, MAYBE THEY R RIGHT THAT PPL DESERF SOME FREEDOMS.
Gee whiz kiddo, so if they're convicted of speeding, ship them off to the 'Camp For The Speeding-Criminals', line them up and a bullet in each limb?
YAY FOR MASS EXECUTION, fucking dumb shits, is it the merge with that other server that's made everyone a goddamn retard around here lately?

Genocide yay?

You goddamn down-syndromed bastard.

I'm sorry Halo, I just had to spell it out that I meant convicted criminals and not people on trial, and that yes people deserve a trial because aparently as soon as you say you're for the death penalty that means you're against any semblance of due process apparently. And thanks for descending to a level even below Ytrok.

I do apologize on getting you all wrong.

Aparantly it's OK to carry out genocide on CONVICTED jay-walkers.

Boy, what was I thinking?
Must have gotten you mixed up with the earlier retard in the thread. You know y'all look alike.

Boy, what was I thinking?

Question from most of us is, are you even capable of rational thought: you jump to conclusions, show little, if any logic, and seem to rely on extremist rhetoric rather than calm discussion.

If your profile didn't say you were from the UK, I'd almost think you were the product of a US Public School. . . :D

No, I believee we of course need due process. But in many of these recent cases the guys have admitted their guilt. They've just given up once caught and said "yeah I did it"

But there will always be cases where it's grey, not 100% positive, those should get their appeals and what not. But if proven guilty, none of this life imprisonment. Just one bullet to the head, two if they keep twitching. These people aren't worthy of a third chance. If you're capable of raping and murdering a child in cold blood I think you've proven that you don't beling in our society or deserve to continue breathing.

I won't say that you're wrong, but I will respectfully disagree.

The problem is that you can rarely be 100% certain that a person committed a particular crime, even with confessions. No one is guilty of a crime until proven in court; this requires that they are either found guilty by a selection of jurors, or they must plead guilty. Furthermore, appeals can be granted even when a person has plead guilty, for a few different reasons; the most notable being a (possible) lack of mental competence.

Besides, execution is more expensive than life in prison without parole. While this is due to the inefficiency of the system, it would be difficult to expediate the process without compromising the rights of the accused/convicted.

anyone seen mr. bean in Johnny English? I like the idea in that movie.. lets buy all of England and turn it into one huge Alcatraz!

anyone seen mr. bean in Johnny English? I like the idea in that movie.. lets buy all of England and turn it into one huge Alcatraz!

But then who would be the US's bish ? NOBODY is our bish like the Brits are. . . :cool:

(Yes, the comment IS designed to inflame Halo. A man needs a hobby, and I've found a new one. . .)

If everyone were armed, I bet people would be a lot more polite ;)

I'm a big fan of Due Process- and self-dispensed justice has no place in that process.

'If everyone were armed, I bet people would be a lot more polite'

- Everyone is armed in that fucking country, and I sure as shit don't see mucho politeness. I see mucho masacres.

Everyone is armed in that fucking country, and I sure as shit don't see mucho politeness. I see mucho masacres.
In the US? I only know two people here that own guns, personally.

Mark me down as another US citizen who doesn't own a firearm.

(I'm even an imported Texan and I don't own a firearm. Oh teh horrar!!1!!!1oneone)

I am starting to think Halo watches way to much US TV/movies as his pall Taino did.

Now here is a question....I heard a story in the news one day of a confessed murderer I think it was, who is asking to be put to death. Do we give him what he wants, or give him life in prison as punishment, since death is his desire?

Halo,

Guns are mandatory in the United States. As a result of the 5th Ammendment to our Constitution, on our 12th birthday we are taken to a gun store, at which point they pat us on the ass and shout, "GO!" We are given 60 seconds and are allowed to keep as many weapons and as much ammo as we can get outside the store before the timer expires*. Any American who doesn't have a gun is either an immigrant, a minority, or didn't get their weapons across the finish-line before the buzzer sounded. [Some states (Arkansas, Vermont, Michigan, Idaho, Montana) have laws that extend the 60-second time limit to as much as 60-minutes.] The process is much like the game-show Supermarket Sweep (http://www.pax.tv/shows/supermarketsweep/about.cfm).

During my 60 seconds, I grabbed a Glock-23C, a no-name .22 "backup" pistol, and a pair of cheap 9mm doorstops.

*Void in California, New York, and Guam.

Now here is a question....I heard a story in the news one day of a confessed murderer I think it was, who is asking to be put to death. Do we give him what he wants, or give him life in prison as punishment, since death is his desire?You can't always get what you want; and if you try sometime, you find, you get what you need.