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Oritxu
07-31-2003, 05:56 PM
Jonathan Brunt
The Idaho Statesman

A Boise infant died Wednesday after a mother having a hectic morning forgot to drop her child off at day care and left the baby in the car all day, Boise police reported.
Temperatures in Boise had reached about 105 degrees by the time the mother discovered the child in the back seat late Wednesday afternoon, police said.

The woman, whose name was not released, went to her workplace near Meeker Place and Explorer Drive in West Boise around 8 a.m., Boise police spokeswoman Deanna Lokker said. The baby remained inside the car until the mother left work about 4:45 p.m.

The mother drove to the day-care center intending to pick up her child, but shortly before she reached the center she realized the infant was still in the car, Lokker said.

The mother then drove the baby to St. Luke´s Meridian Medical Center, where the infant was pronounced dead.

“The indications are that she was a little distracted or something,” Lokker said.

The case remains under investigation.

“No charges have been filed at this time because it is so preliminary,” Lokker said.

The age and sex of the baby were not released late Wednesday, but Lokker said the child was less than 1 year old.

Wednesday´s temperatures reached a high of 106 degrees at 5:53 p.m., the National Weather Service reports. The temperature shortly before 5 p.m. was 105 degrees.

Last summer, a 53-year-old Boise man was charged with felony injury to a child after his 3-year-old son was found in a parked car while the man was grocery shopping in late June. The boy was not harmed. The outside temperature at the time was 87, but police said it was more than 100 degrees in the car.


I drove by the intersection where the baby was in the car atleast three times yesterday..to work, lunch and from work.....Being the father of a 16 month old baby I cant imagine this ever happening.

Lizidiarking
07-31-2003, 06:52 PM
Very sad thing to hear. Incidents like this happen more than you would think. I recall hearing about similar cases in the Dallas area over the past couple of years. Hopefully it is never intentional.

zoritsa
07-31-2003, 06:58 PM
I really wish they would start putting these people in prison.It is happening WAY to often.I've already read more then enough stories this year alone to think this is becoming a major problem.

I also can't comprehend HOW you forget a child is in the car.I have 2 children,10 and 18 months,and even when they've fallen asleep,I have never just forgotten about them...they are my life,I don't care how hectic it can get,how busy my life is...they are always on my mind.

It's just very sad :(

aelani
07-31-2003, 07:08 PM
YEP! Dallas is netorious for this crap ---- Daycares leaving kids in cars, parents CONSTANTLY! Last week an elderly couple in a nursing home were left in a bus =/

MarzMartini
07-31-2003, 07:52 PM
It takes a test to drive a car, a shitload of permits to get a gun, but any motherfucking retard can have a baby and not give a shit about it.

ainwein
07-31-2003, 08:44 PM
I'm glad I have a 2 seater. No way I can forget about anyone. =>

Texann95
07-31-2003, 08:55 PM
I have one son, he'll be 2 in about 2 weeks. I catch myself glancing at the car seat when he's not even in the car with me. I do it in any car I am in..I glance back out of habit, if nothing else, to check on him whether he's really there or not!!

When I hear about people doing this stuff...I wonder what was so wrong with the "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" way of justice. Trap their dumb ass in a hot car on a "lovely" August afternoon in Texas for 8 damn hours...with no way out...nothing to drink...just like those innocent kids. If they survive, then the courts can "handle" it. >: >: >: >: >:

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Oritxu
07-31-2003, 09:07 PM
Turns out the baby was 2 months old. I am still sick about this...my whole office is still abuzz talking about this story.

Palimax Sceleris
07-31-2003, 09:12 PM
Ditto in Phoenix...
www.azcentral.com/news/ar...kid31.html (http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0731carkid31.html)

As the father of a two and a half year old daughter, this indeed makes me sick.

Cronuus
07-31-2003, 09:28 PM
This kind of stuff is sickening, and it happens way too much,
About a week ago I was walking home from work, and in the parking lot, I saw an SUV with 2 kids around 2ish and 5ish years old sitting there in the back seat, was around 90+ degrees at least, and humid as hell.
I really should've at least told someone about it, but I didn't, and it was on my mind for a while, luckily I don't think anything happened as it wouldv'e definately heard about it, But their parents are still stupid and unfit for going shopping and leaving their kids in the car like that :( .

valorindel
08-01-2003, 12:21 PM
She forgot to drop her kid off at daycare? Maybe someone should forget to not shoot her. Which to me seems about as reasonable as not remembering your child.

Satch
08-01-2003, 01:11 PM
A few thoughts,

Ok yes this is sick and the mother should be punished but prison??? Give me a break. She never intended to kill her kid and I'm sure she doesn't think this is just no big deal. She is prolly dying inside knowing she killed her own baby. Also she is probably getting shit from the husband and the fact everyone in her town/country thinks she is a babykiller.

This shit isn't the same as the lady who drove her kids into the lake. Also it's not like she realized what happened and disposed of the body or tried to cover it up. She rushed the kid to the hospital but what are you gonna do...

we've all forgot stuff or made mistakes and luckily caught them before something bad happened... like leaving a curling iron on all day in the bathroom or a number of things. Those times where you go "HOLY SHIT...WHEW I GOT LUCKY"

I'm not saying anything should condone this. I think she should get some counciling and maybe pay some kinda fine or community service work for baby helping organizations (but don't put her near kids because that would be sick to do to the mother after she just lost her own)

Also, don't forget most people in this world are retarded... and the dumber the people the less they seem to care or think about the implications of unprotected sex or multiple partners which leads to the following fact. More stupid people have kids than ones who are responsible, emotially, financialy, and 'maturally' ready for a kid. That is why you see so much shit like this going on.

Also people posting all these temperatures like OMFG 100 degrees!@!@!@@ in a car!@!@!@ HOLY SHIT!!!! like the people who see a kid in the car and run up and call the cops and break the glass when the mom leaves it in the car for 5 minutes... you people are going WAYYY over board and need to shut the hell up.

If the kid is age 5 or over and you have the windows down they are good for at least 30-45 min before they would even start to feel weird on a 100 degree day...

If the windows are down no kid is gonna die unless he's in there all day so chill out and don't worry about seeing kids in the car, i'd be more concerned about someone stealing my baby than it dying of heat stroke.

But i was one of those kids that never wanted to go in the store and i remember tons of times my mom would go grocery shopping and leave my brother and i in the car, i'd roll the windows down and turn on the radio and we were just fine. Did it get hot..??? yes... big wup... was i being tortured hell no? it's called being outside. Sometimes we'd be out there for over an hour... no biggy. My mom would usually bring out the groceries and bring my brother and i a cold coke or something mmmm good times and then i didn't have to be bored to fuck inside a grocery store.

That is all...

Carabella Valenteen
08-01-2003, 01:30 PM
I have had nightmares that I have forgotten a child somewhere or in the car, and have woken up in a cold sweat with my heart pounding, and unable to return to sleep til I checked on all my kids.

If this woman had no criminal intentions, just think of the guilt she is feeling! The tremendous sorrow... As a mother, I cannot even begin to fathom what *she* must be going through, or what agony the wee babe went through as well.

/shudder

What an awful story all around. :(

Corwan
08-01-2003, 02:28 PM
If the kid is age 5 or over and you have the windows down they are good for at least 30-45 min before they would even start to feel weird on a 100 degree day...

Satch, you stupid fuck, it is thinking like this that gets these kids killed in the first place. How about I put you in a fucking car for 30 or 45 minutes in 100 degree heat?

I'm sorry, but being a father of a 3 yr old, this kind of stuff really gets me pissed off.

Satch
08-01-2003, 03:10 PM
I'm sorry you think i'm a "stupid fuck"

I will gladly go sit in a car that is 100 degrees with the windows down for 30min if you want to prove the point. I won't die, i'll just be bored out of my mind... can i at least listen to the radio?

All joking aside my main point was to point out the fact the mother is probably somewhere crying right now and everyone hating her and calling her a tard isn't going to help. Neither is going to jail full of crack dealers and murders.

I don't condone leaving your kids in the car for hours on end. I never did. I also don't condone leaving little kids in there more so because someone could just snatch them and seriously how hard is it to get them out and load them up.

But if the kids are 5 or older and know how to open a car door and they don't mind staying in the car and you just have to run in and out then no problem.

zoritsa
08-01-2003, 04:38 PM
we've all forgot stuff or made mistakes and luckily caught them before something bad happened... like leaving a curling iron on all day in the bathroom or a number of things. Those times where you go "HOLY SHIT...WHEW I GOT LUCKY"

OMG! Comparing a curling iron to a HUMAN LIFE...You obviously do not have any children.

Toothy Draghkar
08-01-2003, 04:47 PM
This happened in the parking lot of a Bi-Lo that I lived next to (and shopped at) for years and years. Happens pretty often :( I feel sorry for the mother if this was a complete accident. Ick. :(

Oritxu
08-01-2003, 05:31 PM
Yes, I agree that the mother must be in incredible pain over this. I can't imagine the pain that she and her family must be in. That however does not excuse her negligence.

I do have to disagree on the whole leaving the kid in the car deal at any time. It is never appropriate EVER. Small children do not regulate heat the way a grown adult does. I am sure that a healthy adult could sit in the car for a long time in the same conditions that would kill a 2 month old baby within an hour.

Not only are there heat issues but as the children grow older they are more mobile and more likely to kill themselves in other ways around a car. www.kidsandcars.org claims that 484 deaths were attributed to various kinds of unattended children around cars since 1998. 36% of those were heat deaths, 32% were backed over, 10% was car set in motion by child etc....the point is that the vast majority of these deaths were totally preventable.

Another point to bring up is whey didn't the daycare that was expecting the child to arrive call the mother and ask what was going on? I checked with my daycare and was told that I would get a call even as little as 30 minutes past my regular drop off time. I am not putting any blame on the daycare provider, I am just bringing up a question that you may all want to address with your daycare providers.

Oritxu
08-01-2003, 05:36 PM
KTVB producers


BOISE – A 2-and-half-month-old child died in a hot car in Boise Wednesday.

Ada County authorities say the infant was left in the vehicle outside the mother’s work nearly all day.

Police say the mother's first stop should have been the daycare where her infant son, Hunter, had started attending two weeks earlier.


Instead, she drove straight to work, talking on her cell phone along the way. Once at work she parked and went inside with the child still buckled in the backseat.


"She then went inside and spent the next 8 hours at work - no breaks, no lunch break," said Boise Police Captain Mike Webb.


Just before 5:00 pm the mother left the parking lot, headed for her son's daycare. A few blocks away, she realized she hadn't stopped there earlier in the day.


The mother took the child to the St. Luke’s Meridian Medical Center.


Boise Police Department spokeswoman Deanna Lokker says it appears the infant died before reaching the hospital. An autopsy, Thursday, showed the infant had likely died eight hours earlier of hyperthermia.


Boise police say while they don't believe the mother meant harm to harm her son, parents are responsible for the safety of their children. She could face charges of involuntary manslaughter or felony injury to a child.


Police expect to turn the investigation over to prosecutors by this weekend where the decision regarding charges will be made.


Captain Webb says police have responded to 18 similar calls in the last three years. Seven people have been cited or charged for negligence.


"It's sad. It brings tears to my eyes to know it is continuing,” said Tammy Russel.


She has experienced a similar nightmare. In August 2000, her 6 month-old daughter Kaitlyn was left in the backseat of a babysitter's car. She died 15 minutes later. “I know people would like to think, 'how can you possibly forget your child.'"


There have been 21 similar deaths nationally since January -- four in the last two days alone.




“There are so many demands placed on our life that and so much stress and it's affecting our short-term memory, and unfortunately, the most precious things in our lives are being forgotten,” said Russell.


Russell doesn't excuse the mistakes that killed Hunter or her own daughter, but she does grieve for every family touched by the tragedy.

“If you ask any of those parents, they can't explain it. They have no answer for it and they would do anything they could to turn around what happened.”

ViBeSJoKeR
08-01-2003, 05:44 PM
1 simple thing is all I have to say ....


You do NOT forget your kids, and if you do you should not be a parent!

She may or may not have done this on purpose but she is a fucking shitty parent for doing so and should not be allowed to breed.

Satch
08-01-2003, 05:49 PM
I appologize I was merely trying to make a point that yes this is a big deal but not for small children that are about 5 or older. Especially 8-13 can be left in car for 30min and it isn't gonna hurt them one bit. That's all i'm trying to make the point. Some people get way too anal over things like that and start pointing the figure and calling people horrible parents and such.

Babies on the other hand no... i wouldn't leave the kid just because i wouldn't leave it, heat or no heat.

I do think a charge of negligence for this woman should be applicable but what her punishment should be I still think counciling and community service would be better than sitting behind bars with hardened criminals who intended to do crimes.

Corwan
08-01-2003, 07:02 PM
I appologize I was merely trying to make a point that yes this is a big deal but not for small children that are about 5 or older.

Babies on the other hand no... i wouldn't leave the kid just because i wouldn't leave it, heat or no heat.

Yes, you are totally right Satch, once they reach 5 years old they are all grown up and ready to be left alone in a car. Give it up Satch, and please do not EVER have children.

Willgatus Airslasher
08-01-2003, 07:06 PM
IMO the mother ought to be rendered unable to reproduce. Call it barbaric if you like, but if she has a conscience she would probably agree herself.

Lleauric
08-01-2003, 09:27 PM
lol..

Good job Satch..

Grats on being the dumbest person on these boards!

Cronuus
08-02-2003, 11:10 AM
Seeing 2-5 year old kids in a car unattended is a good enough reason to call the cops, no parent in their right might should do something so stupid, so many things can happen, the kids could put the car on neutral and cause it to roll back and cause an accident, the heat in the car could seriously harm or kill them, the car could get stolen(unlikely, but it's happened).
Its just stupid, how lazy do you have to be to leave your own kids in a car while you go do something. Forgetting is one thing, stupidity and neglect, but intentionally leaving your kids is beyond that.
A few years ago, a woman left her infant in her car while she went into a store, someone jumped into her car, started driving off with it, the woman ran after and tried to grab her child, the kid got stuck in the seatbelt and was dragged to death. She recieved support from all types of people and even appeared on some of those talk shows like Ohprah. She should have been arrested.

Leaving a kid in a car really should be a crime, you should get at least a fine if a cop drives by and sees kids in a car unattended.

Winterworg
08-02-2003, 02:28 PM
This was obviously pure stupidity, but at least relax a minute and think that maybe there was something awful going on in her life that had her mentally messed up and she made a tragic mistake. I hardly believe she deserves jail time unless she has a history. How can you punish her more than she has been already?

Ytrok I understand your sentiment of taking away the reproductive rights of parents who prove they are not fit to be parents, but at least allow that we don't have anywhere near the full story in this case.