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Jedd Corpse
10-01-2008, 10:12 PM
The Omen In My Mail

By Kathleen Parker

Allow me to introduce myself. I am a traitor and an idiot. Also, my mother should have aborted me and left me in a dumpster, but since she didn't, I should "off" myself.

Those are a few nuggets randomly selected from thousands of e-mails written in response to my column (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/26/AR2008092603268.html) suggesting that Sarah Palin (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Sarah+Palin?tid=informline) is out of her league and should step down.

Who says public discourse hasn't deteriorated?

The fierce reaction to my column has been both bracing and enlightening. After 20 years of column writing, I'm familiar with angry mail. But the past few days have produced responses of a different order. Not just angry, but vicious and threatening. Some of my usual readers feel betrayed because I previously have written favorably of Palin. By changing my mind and saying so, I am viewed as a traitor to the Republican Party -- not a "true" conservative.

Obviously, I'm not employed by the GOP (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/U.S.+Republican+Party?tid=informline). If I were, the party is seriously in arrears. But what is a true conservative? One who doesn't think or question and who marches in lock step with The Party?

The emotional pitch of many comments suggests an overinvestment in Palin as "one of us." Palin's fans say they like her specifically because she's an outsider, not part of the Washington club. When she flubs during interviews, they identify with that, too. "You see the lack of polish, we applaud it," one reader wrote.

Of course, there's a difference between a lack of polish and a lack of coherence. Some of Palin's interview responses can't even be critiqued on their merits because they're so nonsensical. But even that is someone else's fault, say Palin supporters. The media make her uncomfortable. Or, it's the fault of those slick politicos who are overmanaging her. "Let Sarah be Sarah" has become the latest rallying cry among my colleagues on the right. She'll be fine if we just leave her alone, they say. Between prayers, I might add.

Not all my mail has been mean-spirited. A fair number of the writers politely expressed disappointment; others, relief and gratitude. Still others offered reasonable arguments aimed at changing my mind. I may yet.

In the meantime, though, I would note that this assault and my decision to write about it aren't really about me -- or even Sarah Palin. The mailbag is about us, our country, and what we really believe.

That we have become a partisan nation is no secret. This week has provided a vivid example of where rabid partisanship leads with the failure of Congress to pass a bailout bill vitally needed to keep our economy from unraveling.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Nancy+Pelosi?tid=informline) gave a partisan speech, blaming the credit crisis on the Bush administration (omitting the Clinton administration's role in launching the subprime lending debacle). Republicans responded by voting against the bill.
Everyone's to blame, by the way.

Such extreme partisanship has a crippling effect on government, which may be desirable at times, but not now. More important in the long term is the less tangible effect of stifling free speech. My mail paints an ugly picture and a bleak future if we do not soon correct ourselves.
The picture is this: Anyone who dares express an opinion that runs counter to the party line will be silenced. That doesn't sound American to me, but Stalin would approve.

Readers have every right to reject my opinion. But when we decide that a person is a traitor and should die for having an opinion different from one's own, we cross into territory that puts all freedoms at risk. (I hear you, Dixie Chicks (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/The+Dixie+Chicks?tid=informline).)

I'm sure it is coincidence that, upon the Palin column's publication, a conservative organization canceled a speech I was scheduled to deliver in a few days. If I were as paranoid as the conspiracy theorists are, I might wonder whether I was being punished for speaking incorrectly. Unfortunately, that's the way one begins to think when party loyalty is given a higher value than loyalty to bedrock principles.

Our day of reckoning may indeed be upon us. Between war and economic collapse, we have enormous challenges. It will take the best of everyone to solve them. That process begins minimally with a commitment to engage in civil discourse and a cease-fire in the war against unwelcome ideas.

In that spirit, may Sarah Palin be fearless in tomorrow's debate and speak her true mind.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/30/AR2008093002315.html

/sigh at republicans

Bylimet Spiritwalker
10-02-2008, 12:43 AM
That was one hell of a column she wrote there.

Malse
10-02-2008, 12:49 AM
Watching the rabid reactionaries devour their own is a special thrill to be savored. One doesn't get idiocy on proud display in all its unambiguous, appalling, childish ugliness in such stark relief often.

(oh by the way, go fuck yourself somebody! Yeah, you!)

PheloniusRM
10-02-2008, 01:09 AM
Hey! Are you talking to me? (I felt the need to post this. Any reason will do.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI

Jedd Corpse
10-02-2008, 01:24 AM
hey! Are you talking to me? (i felt the need to post this. Any reason will do.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sws-foxbjvi

lololol

fildien
10-02-2008, 07:39 AM
Hey! Are you talking to me? (I felt the need to post this. Any reason will do.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI

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Taleren Bloodsong
10-02-2008, 07:47 AM
Just worked for me, Fuck yeah!

fildien
10-02-2008, 08:24 AM
ha! it worked for me that time.

Bise
10-02-2008, 08:58 AM
They had me at Big tits and bandaids :)

Beelziod
10-02-2008, 09:10 AM
http://ayonae.com/obama-in-virginia-t11369.html
I know exactly how she feels.

Ailwon
10-02-2008, 09:53 AM
We have a major problem in this country right now in that many of our issues are extremely polarizing. Those issues that should not be polarized are being split by the gap created.

Case in point, abortion. There is no centrist view on this issue. Either you believe it's a personal moral choice or murder...there's no in between. Many elevate this issue to be the over riding issue as to whom they vote for even though, in the scheme of things, it's really not that big an issue. With Over-population, pollution, global warming, the decline of the US economy, trade deficits, energy dependency, etc., etc. looming over us, way too many make choice on candidates based on frivolous issues like gay fricken marriage. I myself am guilty...I cannot fathom ever voting for a ticket that includes someone so devoid of common sense as to reject evolution in favor of mythology...uh...creationism...uh...unintelligent design.

I don't know what the answer is since this country is so full of knuckle dragging morons who don't give a shit about researching anything and believe everything they here for CNN or Fox News after the six pack they just downed....for me it's a twelve pack of course.:D

Sorry, kinda depressed today.:cool:

Beelziod
10-02-2008, 11:09 AM
Not trying to start a fight Ailwon but the problem starts at home. You start your point intelligently with a valid point and by the end you result to name calling and insults. Regardless of my personal views I have to overcome your attack to just have an intelligent discussion. In my opinion, that is what is wrong.

I believe its propagated by the media, its not in their best interest to have a civil discussion of the issues. Its sells more to have us at each others throat. Its time for a new media and a new type of politician. Just wish I knew of one or 537.

fildien
10-02-2008, 11:29 AM
You hit it firmly on the head Beelziod.

How do we solve it? It is something that has grown exponentially through the years and feels out of control.

Beelziod
10-02-2008, 11:49 AM
I think they only solution is to throw away all the hate and conflict. I am far from a butterfly and daisy type of guy but the calm logical discussion of issues has to start with us. We have to learn to ignore all the other distractions and reject those that poke and prod in attempts to spur heated debate.

Remove the emotion without removing the passion, I wish I knew how to do that.

Sanchek
10-02-2008, 12:05 PM
This sort of speaks to that: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/01/beck.future/index.html

Ailwon
10-02-2008, 12:09 PM
I name calling wasn't to any specific group...and was more of a joke (hint: I included myself). The point was, the ignorance and indifference of this society and how we don't care about things until the hit us directly. Maybe it's just human nature, I don't know...but I'm sick and tired of the splitting and ugliness. No politician runs a campaign on their strengths anymore, all the effort is spent lying about your opponents.

Emotionally I can't for the life of me comprehend why anyone is even considering a vote for McCain/Palin...but my intellectual side knows there are valid intelligent issues dear to some driving them to do so.

...I'm just so frustrated I can't think straight any more!!! <doing my best Louis Black impression :)

Kelraz Bladesinger
10-02-2008, 12:18 PM
This sort of speaks to that: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/01/beck.future/index.html

Its a great article. I voted a week ago, and while I voted for Obama for President I definitely picked a Republican running for the first time for School Board and an independent running against a Republican incumbent for State Senate instead of their Democrat counterparts. I didn't spend tons of time following the races, but definitely pulled up everyone's websites and read what they have / haven't done before heading to the polls. Its far too easy to hit the box for Republican / Democrat accross the board and allow people who have been slacking to keep their jobs.

Sixee
10-02-2008, 12:57 PM
Ignore the attacks, and deal with the issues. Who woulda thunk it?

Heard a radio commercial for this guy today.

http://www.bobbarr2008.com/home/skip/?s=0618

If those of us Conservatives that are really sick of the Neo-con take over of the Republican Party, got involved with the Libertarian Party, I wonder how straightened out things might become....?

DiscW
10-02-2008, 01:31 PM
While public discourse sure has turned to shit, the example she used wasn't a very good one. People saying stuff like that in e-mails is more of an example about how people behave online and the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19/). If people behaved in real life like they did online the murder rate would go up 1000%.

Beelziod
10-02-2008, 05:04 PM
The problem I have with the Libertarian Party is there are some real nut jobs in there that scare the hell outta me.

Sanchek
10-02-2008, 05:29 PM
Bob Barr is ex-CIA and voted for the Patriot Act. Libertarian, my ass.

Malse
10-02-2008, 05:30 PM
There's a party that's not true of?

I don't think I'd want to live under a consistently Libertarian Party government despite my approval of their general principles for the most part, however I think 8 years of a massive government teardown to both destroy entrenched bureaucracies and provide a living object lesson in what government services are actually important would be a good national catharsis every couple of decades -- with the attendant side benefit that we'd be too busy fixing our own nation to screw around with anyone else's.

Kelraz Bladesinger
10-02-2008, 05:55 PM
...with the attendant side benefit that we'd be too busy fixing our own nation to screw around with anyone else's.

I laughed, but its sad how important that would be.

Rover
10-02-2008, 06:54 PM
Bob Barr is ex-CIA and voted for the Patriot Act. Libertarian, my ass.



HAHAHA...exactly what I think everytime I see him.

Rover
10-02-2008, 06:57 PM
I think they only solution is to throw away all the hate and conflict. I am far from a butterfly and daisy type of guy but the calm logical discussion of issues has to start with us. We have to learn to ignore all the other distractions and reject those that poke and prod in attempts to spur heated debate.

Remove the emotion without removing the passion, I wish I knew how to do that.

I think one way is to look at who we choose to support and why. That is a good way, maybe start a thread with no responses just a single post with why we support a particular candidate.

Maybe make a two part post as to why we won't vote for the other candidate.

Limit the post to 3 or 4 paragraphs for support and 3 or 4 for I don't support.


Just a thought.

Taleren Bloodsong
10-02-2008, 08:11 PM
I think one way is to look at who we choose to support and why. That is a good way, maybe start a thread with no responses just a single post with why we support a particular candidate.

Maybe make a two part post as to why we won't vote for the other candidate.

Limit the post to 3 or 4 paragraphs for support and 3 or 4 for I don't support.


Just a thought.

Start the thread then!