View Full Version : Time Travel. . .
oXARELo
07-09-2003, 04:30 AM
HAHAHA, I couldn't stop laughing when I saw this website
Time Travel Fund: Your Ticket to the Future!! (http://www.timetravelfund.com/index.html)
Q: How?
A: We establish a fund in current time. You make a small contribution to the fund, and in a few hundred years that small amount grows to a very large amount. From that fund, moneys will be taken and used to retrieve you, perhaps seconds after you join.
MarzMartini
07-09-2003, 04:37 AM
OH PLEEB TAKE MY MONIES!@
MarzMartini
07-09-2003, 04:44 AM
Q: Are there any restrictions?
A: Yes, several:
You will not be retrieved if you die by suicide. Sorry, but we don't want your family blaming us for you killing yourself because you think you will get to the future sooner.
hahaha!
Toothy Draghkar
07-09-2003, 06:13 AM
Q: Ok, what about my deceased (spouse, parent, sibling, dog, etc.?)
(stuff cut out)
1. The other person must be a close family member. Sorry, but we don't want you bringing Adolf Hitler or someone else evil like him back.
:rollin
Wouldn't that sorta be a good thing? I mean, what would happen to Hitler if you dropped him off RIGHT NOW in America?...
He'd get the beating of the century! :lol
reximus everburn
07-09-2003, 09:02 AM
Thank you SO much for that, funny shit =)
Taino
07-09-2003, 10:46 AM
I mean, what would happen to Hitler if you dropped him off RIGHT NOW in America?...
He'd get the beating of the century!
No, he'd get elected for president and attack the rest of the middle east with the support of the whole country backing him up.
*runs off*
ViBeSJoKeR
07-09-2003, 12:13 PM
I think the whole of the US would speak german ...
ThePerfectFlaw
07-09-2003, 12:42 PM
Ytork, mach es dir selber.
valorindel
07-09-2003, 01:26 PM
Ahh fuck that, I'll just take the Delorian.(sp?)
Dartaignon
07-09-2003, 02:22 PM
I'd go back in time and seduce Taino's mom.
Utopia Dreamsong
07-09-2003, 02:39 PM
I am from the future I will take all of you people back right now for the bargain price of $100!!!
giena
07-09-2003, 02:44 PM
I'd go back in time and seduce Taino's mom.
Now that was funny.
Taino
07-09-2003, 04:07 PM
My point is that Hitler in the US with the same propaganda, the same style and without "him already having done it", the US would fall the same.
Almost every country would fall. Bush is doing the same things to you guys, he is just a) not that extreme and b) he doesn't want to kill/conqueer the world. And also, we all have an advantage: We know about what happened in Germany 70 years ago.
I say if Hitler would have been in the US 70 years ago, done the same, said the same, had the same propaganda.. you'd have done the same as acountry as germany did, and we'd all flame you now for it, just as you flame all germans.. since 70 years.
The "Hitler prpaganda stuff" works just as good still nowadays. Bush is alo forming opinions. He is also telling you stuff that may be true or not, but you believe it, because he (and his helpers) made you believe in it. And not just Bush, almost all politicians do it. Don't think you are one tiny bit better then germany was 70 years ago. We all just luckily happened not to be there in germany in that time. And we live with the conscience (and warning) that such things were possible.
And yes, that was a fucking funny joke about my mom! Yay!
giena
07-09-2003, 04:24 PM
Mom jokes are usually pretty lame, but a well timed one can be so corny it's actually funny. That, imho, was a well timed mom joke.
Moving on...
Gulor Gularin
07-09-2003, 05:18 PM
Taino, I have to disagree with you about the US falling in line behind Hitler if he had been American. The US has had any number of demagogues of similar stripe over the years...none of them have gotten very far for very long. His message of racial superiority could not succeed in a country where the majority of the citizens are not of the same ethnic strain and are in fact a mix of different ethnic backgrounds.
He succeeded in Germany because they had lost a war to longstanding rivals when they felt they shouldn't have and were being severely punished. He offered a way for the Germans to recover their pride and they took it. No such similar circumstances have existed in the US since the confederates lost the civil war.
Comparing Bush to Hitler is pretty ludicrous IMO. I understand that you dislike him and his policies, but your estimation of our willingness to blindly follow our president is, ummm, pretty far off the mark to put it politely. I can't expect you to realize this as you are probably not exposed to detailed news of the American political scene, just as I do not know the day to day details of Swiss politics.
Gerfs
07-09-2003, 05:23 PM
How about Roger Federer!!! That man is goood! But a fucking cow.. I mean cmon man, He is the first swiss guy to win wibledon and all they give him is a cow?? hehe
mirdorr
07-09-2003, 05:43 PM
My point is that Hitler in the US with the same propaganda, the same style and without "him already having done it", the US would fall the same.
Damn, Taino, SHUT UP and don't turn this into another of your "America sucks" threads.
Last I checked, we still have a House and Senate to counterract the President. Last I checked, we're not in a long term economic depression and desperately looking for a way out.
And as for the "time travel" thing, heh. Hitler wasn't born here, so he couldn't run for Pres.
I'd like to re-phrase what you said slightly.
"My point is that Hitler in Switzerland with the same propaganda, the same style and without "him already having done it", Switzerland would fall the same."
Daemankyl
07-09-2003, 05:45 PM
lol taino can imagine what happens if hitler were in the us but doesnt think so far ahead that upon doing anything like that, a paradox opens up and then just become lame :(
I E terminator 3,
like john conner was the leader of thre free force because he was trained to do it but he was only trained to do it because the terminator came from the future to kill so on and so forth.
you get the idea :(
Jakkala
07-09-2003, 06:38 PM
The propoganda Hitler used worked because the German people wanted to believe anything that was told to them.
They were going through a terrible economic collapse where at the worst the German mark was valued at 136,000,000 marks to the dollar. Ther German people had to pay the French and English for the damages caused in WWI. The German people believed in Hitler's words as it gave them a sense of hope for the future, they wanted to believe they were part of the "German master race" which was bound to dominate the world.
KarrmaEvershadow
07-09-2003, 06:42 PM
Lets see... Adolf Hitler wanted to kill anyone who wasn't blond with blue eyes. He ordered the systematic killing of what... six million innocent Jews? (My number could be way off, but lets just say six million for argument's sake).
President George W. Bush wants to hunt down and punish those that are responsible for Terrorism. He wants to wipe out the people who have pointless and never ending hatred for the United States, its citizens, and it's allies.
All political leaders throughout history have used propaganda to influence public opinion but I would hardly compare Hitler with Bush. I may not agree with all of Bush's foreign policy but there is really no grounds for that comparison.
If you want to start pointing fingers and calling someone a monster, how about Josef Stalin? How about Saddam Hussein? Hitler, anyone? You see, as far as I know right now.. President Bush hasn't been offing his own people in record numbers.
Hitler, indeed.
MarzMartini
07-09-2003, 07:03 PM
Damn, Taino, SHUT UP and don't turn this into another of your "America sucks" threads.
Yes, PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP TAINO.
This thread had NOTHING to do with US bashing that until you opened your fucking mouth.
You and Ytrok must get all giddy and jump around giggling like 2 bitches every time you convert a threat into a "US Sux0Rs" debate.
KarrmaEvershadow
07-09-2003, 07:14 PM
I couldn't agree more.
You know, I remember when Legend of the Jokers was spamming Nektulos as a newbie guild. Begging people to join. I yelled "shut the fuck up" back then and it would seem that some things still haven't changed.
People just don't know when to shut the fuck up. Maybe its a Euro custom to annoy.
*shrug*
Meh.
Slant Earthshaker
07-09-2003, 07:23 PM
I have nothing to add I just wanted to see if an old signature still works... *whistles*
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KarrmaEvershadow
07-09-2003, 07:29 PM
LOL
Oh no, I've been found out! I must flee the kingdom! ;)
Slant Earthshaker
07-09-2003, 07:36 PM
Wait wait I got more! :)
Master Damoiel Mindbend
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Gulor Gularin
07-09-2003, 07:58 PM
Back to the original topic of time travel, I think it would be much more interesting to go to the distant past to answer a lot of unresolved questions. Not to interfere with the past, but just to watch and understand. For example, you could watch events cited by the various religious texts to find out if they are true...you could learn the fate of people who disappeared.
My list of things to do...
1. Copy a few thousand texts that were lost when the library of Alexandria burned down.
2. Check out the whole legend of Atlantis.
3. Check out the New Testament stories.
4. Learn more about my own ancient ancestors.
5. Tour Athens as it was before it was sacked.
6. Visit Troy and watch its fall.
7. Watch a good old fashion Roman orgy.
8. Check out the Inca/Mayan/Aztec empires at their peaks.
9. Watch where the 18th century pirates stashed their loot (so I can dig it up today ).
;)
trimlock
07-09-2003, 08:06 PM
damn, that was a great #1
Laeyakk
07-09-2003, 08:41 PM
1. Copy a few thousand texts that were lost when the library of Alexandria burned down.
I've heard quotes basically saying the average city library has more books than the entire Library of Alexandria.
Since that place went the way of the dodo, there have been alot more people born. And alot more literate people born.
Last I checked, there are more people alive right now than have ever died in the history of civilization. And the literacy rate of the world is far higher than it has ever been.
So, while this would be sorta interesting from a historical perspective, I'd rather stick a bunch of spy satalites in orbit and pick up the recordings now. =)
My point is that Hitler in the US with the same propaganda, the same style and without "him already having done it", the US would fall the same.
Your proof is a touch flawed.
Germany was a very young democracy -- the people where not that attached to their form of government. The USA is and was a very old democracy (what, second place to the swiss?), and alot more robust. It would be harder to dismantle the institutions in the US than in Germany. Which is exactly what the nazis did in order to stay in power that long.
There actually are checks and balances against executive power in the USA. Constitutional reform in America requires that you dominate nearly every state government and the federal government -- in Germany, from what I've seen, at the time it required only control of one house and one post.
Admittedly, the USA didn't have the "only two term president" rule at the time, but. . .
Toothy Draghkar
07-09-2003, 08:44 PM
I make one comment and it goes to the European vs USA thing. >:
Dart - I think we could figure out a way for Hitler to seduce Taino's mom. :evil
MarzMartini
07-09-2003, 08:58 PM
9. Watch where the 18th century pirates stashed their loot (so I can dig it up today ).
Now this guy KNOWS whats up!:rollin
KarrmaEvershadow
07-09-2003, 09:06 PM
If I could time travel I'd join a Ninja clan and learn the deadly arts. ;)
Gulor Gularin
07-09-2003, 09:23 PM
I chose the library precisely because the works lost were irreplacable. A great number of works by the classic greek writers went up in smoke, never to be read again. How interesting were they to read? Who knows? That is what I would have wanted to find out. It is a lost part of western civilization's heritage. Today's authors can count on their works having a multitude of copies. I hardly worry about losing their voice in the passage of time.
gwindor n
07-09-2003, 09:37 PM
LOL the swiss guy is saying G. Bush is "like" Hitler. What he really means is "we'd love to store your gold too Mr. Bush."
TrellDescant
07-09-2003, 09:44 PM
As silly as this seems, I am debating sending my 10 bucks. If its a scam i am out the cash. However, if somehow the money stays safe and keeps gaining interest and time travel is somehow achieved it would have been well worht it. Think about it. This is a way better reward for your money then the lottery.
Othen
07-09-2003, 10:17 PM
Send me 8 bucks and Ill wait until the price drops even more for time travel, then I'll whipe out the current time travel option with my elite nuclear weapons, or something even more badass to be made in the future, saving you TWO WHOLE DOLLARS on this extraordinary time travel deal. This is not a silly a idea, send ur money to me, kkthx.
KarrmaEvershadow
07-09-2003, 10:34 PM
The whole idea is absurd if you think about the theory of time travel.
Lets say that 20 people each send 10$ for the fund. 200$ total for the fund.
Lets put aside the statistical fact that the cost of living doubles every ten years and assume that the economy is exactly the same in the future as it is today and they have interest on this fund in the amount of 20,000,000 dollars.
Whats to stop them from taking the 20,000,000 dollars back into the past and putting it into the funds at that time. When they go back into the future the fund will be so enormous that they could buy the world. :P
gwindor n
07-09-2003, 10:59 PM
There was an interesting story on one of the bigfoot style forums (I'm looking for the link and will post it if I can find it) from a legitimate news source that the SEC had arrested a guy for Insider Trading / Stock Fraud who claimed that he had been a time traveller acting under information that he had from public records in the future. The creepiest thing about this guy is that he didn't miss. The amount of money he made in a tiny amount of time (from some ridiculously small investment) was obvious enough that the SEC saw it coming from a mile away. He admitted in an interview that he had meant to "lose" some money (intentionally) to obscure his earnings but simply got "carried away" heh.
ehrnam
07-09-2003, 11:02 PM
Once you've got Taino's mom seduced, convince her to swallow on his current birthday. :(
7. Watch a good old fashion Roman orgy.
WTF watches?? Free love baybee!
reximus everburn
07-09-2003, 11:08 PM
This, is a message from the future..
Suckers!
Gulor Gularin
07-09-2003, 11:08 PM
Heh, I didn't want to screw up my own timeline by boffing the babes. Who knows what might happen? Besides, I was kind of assuming it would not be possible to directly interact. Just watch. Otherwise, some big burly bastage might decide to do me in for my loose change or because I look funny to him.
Prezto
07-09-2003, 11:11 PM
This, is a message from the future..That's a spooky movie....
Palimax Sceleris
07-09-2003, 11:12 PM
I say if Hitler would have been in the US 70 years ago, done the same, said the same, had the same propaganda.. you'd have done the same as acountry as germany did, and we'd all flame you now for it, just as you flame all germans.. since 70 years.Your statements assumes that late 1930's Germany and late 1930's USA had the same political and socio-economic problems.
They didn't.
If your conjecture is "If you were Germany in the 1930's and Hitler came along, you would have followed him too," then the answer is: No fucking shit. Of course "Germany" would have. They did. Open a history book.
If your conjecture is "If Hitler had been a disenfranchised Canadian who moved to the US and done what he did in Germany, the US would have followed him too," then the answer is, no, you clod, we didn't have the same sort of political and socio-economic problems Germany had.
Repeat after me: 1930's Germany's did not have the same political, social and economic problems as 1930's United States.
[Yes, we had our own problems, but absolutely not the same ones...]
Oh, and PS, the Bush / Hitler similes (http://www.abcteach.com/MonthtoMonth/December/similes.htm) are troll-bait at best. Try harder next time.
Thormir
07-09-2003, 11:13 PM
The loss of the Library of Alexandria just kills me; definitely my top pick. I might take steps to preserve the lost films from earlier in the century (about 50% of movies made before 1945 are lost). Then I'd count my gold coins while joining in the orgy. Wraaa..
Gulor Gularin
07-09-2003, 11:36 PM
Here's a few more tabloid style items I would like to add.
10. Watch Kennedy's assassination to see if anyone else was shooting.
11. Watch the Roswell thing go down to see wtf actually happened.
12. Find out if the Chinese actually found the new world first or if it was the Vikings, or someone else (not counting the native Americans).
13. Find out for sure who actually erected Stonehenge, the Sphinx and other ancient monuments.
14. Find out if Monroe actually killed herself or was bumped off by the CIA.
15. Find out if Nostradamus was making shit up for giggles or actually believed what he was writing.
Gemini
07-09-2003, 11:40 PM
bah, i'd go back a week or so and relive powermeet a couple of times!
other than that, i don't know if i would go back in time all that much, i would probably go forward into time and check out what places i would need to be to pick up the hottest chick, and of course get the lottery numbers and things like that!
oh and if i would go back in time, i would pick up some absinthe, cause you can't buy it anymore :(
oXARELo
07-10-2003, 12:58 AM
i would pick up some absinthe, cause you can't buy it anymore
THAT QUOTE IS ALL LIES
seborabsinth (http://www.seborabsinth.com/index.asp)
Gemini
07-10-2003, 01:03 AM
maybe you can where you live, but you can't over here :(
oXARELo
07-10-2003, 01:08 AM
where do you live?
Gemini
07-10-2003, 01:08 AM
i r eurotrash, and i live in sweden!
oXARELo
07-10-2003, 01:13 AM
This Quote is from seborabsinth.com (http://seborabsinth.com)
Q: Do you guys ship world wide?
A:Almost, and we dispatch within 48 hours
Palimax Sceleris
07-10-2003, 01:18 AM
i would pick up some absinthe, cause you can't buy it anymoreHe must mean, except for all of these brands for sale (http://www.sepulchritude.com/chapelperilous/absinthe/absinthe-guide5.html) (with excellent guide included). That includes US, European, and South American distributors / producers.
Gemini
07-10-2003, 01:32 AM
well my bad then, but all i know is that systembolaget (government run company that has a monolopy on selling alcohol) do not sell it. and since im not even allowed to shop there yet, im not very into the whole thing.
oh yeah, bring on the young and stupid comments... dahmet :p
Chand01
07-10-2003, 02:37 AM
if you buy absinthe in US you arent always actually getting absinthe
I would do your research before purchasing in the US
Taino
07-10-2003, 09:57 AM
Holy hell calm down you oversensitive, "taino is a fucking asshole and hates the US and whatever he says he must be flamed to death because he's a swiss and shit" thinking, overly proud patriots.
Please tell me where I said that Bush is like Hitler? eh?
It may not be true that Hitler in the US of the 30ies would have succeeded in doing the same to the US.
But my actual point is that Hitler was one of the first people that successfully used / abused propaganda to create opinion. It doesn't mater what he said, it just mattered how he said it. He mastered propaganda. And ever since, the politicians took over his tricks. Do you seriously believe all the shit Bush is telling you? Bush is useing / abusing propaganda methods to make you poeple believe whatever he wants you to. Half the shit he says may be true, but the other half isnt.
Lets look at the Iraq war and his arguments. First WoMD, then Saddam personally because he simply "is a bad person that has to go, no matter whether he got WoMD or not" and at the end we reached the "well we just free Iraqi ppl" argument. We all know its about power and money. Its about Oil, its about controll over the midsdle east, its about military strategic positions, its about setting examples for other countries there and so on. We know it. Yet a shitload of people supported the war JUST because Bush played with the fear of the people from Terror attacks, he played with the humanitarian "freeing iraqi ppl" argument. And Bush got of course all possible way to cinvince his country and the world.
We all are used of this by now and not that easily "fooled" anymore. But back in the 1930ies people were not used of this. As Palimax pointed out very good, germany was beaten down in WW1 and there is this hero talking about a bright future, about a safe future, about a great community, this guy is building the country up again, this guy preached for many years how bad the coalition (France, England, US, Russia...) are and at the end, people believed him.
Its all about how you do it and in which situation people are.
You are correct, the US wasn't in this situation. I should have added that "If the US was in the same situation back then". Then It'd have been valid.
What my only point is in the end:
- its not about Germany. Its not about any country. Its about one person speaking himself in the hearts of the people. He told then what they wanted to hear. And he did it the right way. And he proved it by building the country back up, gaining trust and so on. If this all would have happened in the US, the US would have acted the same. Switzerland would have acted the same (ebsdies I dont see us holding a WW ;) ). This is / was my point.
- Second point is that we are (all over the world) consistently the target of propaganda. In every possible way. Companies, politicians, TV stations and so on. Hardly anyone on this planet got "his own opinion". We all got our opinions formed by what we see and what we get told. And there are a shitload of professionals that make sure we get to see / hear / read exactly what they want us to. We are being controlled day in day out. Of course you may say you are not a victim of this. But this is not true. We all are, the question is just how much you get influenced by what. This is the only "individualism" you get to chose nowadays.
And honestly, without wanting to piss you off, the nationalistic, overpatriotic propaganda has been a very successful and immense campaign within the US over many decades. You know it, all the stars and stripes, the god bless america, all the "we are proud to be american" stuff, the national antheme being sung on all the football matches, and so on, this is all patriotic propaganda. You get raised this way. And it makes sure you become proud and patriotic american citizens. And it works fucking well. And thanks to this, you tend to support your leader very much, just because he is your leader. You are not blind sheep, but this all sets a great base of "blind trust" on which your leaders can build things up. They may not be able to use you like stupid sheep, but they may have to explain things a bit less to you to get support, as they would have to do in switzerland maybe.
Its propaganda. its not "overly fucking extreme", but its there, and in the US the patriotic propaganda is very strong and present and it does have a very big influence in how you see the world and your position in it.
Are you sheep like the germans that were convinced about killing 10 million jews? no. Still you are being influenced.
You say you are proud americans and that its good and that your country simply rocks. Yes, maybe. But I am 100% sure that you all would be a tad (or very much, depends on the person) less patriotic, less convinced and less (in some cases) arrogant / ignorant, if the whole propaganda wouldn't be that suggerates you exactly this day in day out.
People don't find Britney Spears cool ebcause she is so cool,theys find her cool because they get told to find her cool. Marketing, PR, propaganda does this. Just to give you a small analogy.
And yes I am being influenced just as much. This is not about you (americans) being sheep and stupid or so. No you are just victims of propaganda like everyone on this planet. You just get other propaganda then I do, for example.
ViBeSJoKeR
07-10-2003, 10:08 AM
If you want to read more about the ways propaganda is used by Bush and how it is compared to Hitler you can read about it here! (http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen01312003.html).
It's a nice story and can again be considdered as negative propaganda towards Bush. However ... it's still a nice article to read and for those who enjoy to see more views on certain issues this may be worth your time.
oXARELo
07-10-2003, 10:20 AM
they way taino talks about hitler, you would think hes his role model :P
Taino
07-10-2003, 12:34 PM
You oh so much understood my post Xarel. Yes, Hitler is my role model. That was my point I wanted to make...
ThePerfectFlaw
07-10-2003, 01:47 PM
Screw the library of Alexandria. I'd go back to stop the fire that broke out in the BBC storehouse that had all those Doctor Who tapes. I'm missing 18 episodes because of that. 8(
Oh, and Taino, for the love of God, please stop acting surpised when you get flamed. .
Binuvin
07-10-2003, 01:57 PM
I'd go back in time to ensure that the Japanese yen didn't drop in value during the 80's. Then Robotech would have continued to have been made. Yep, I'm a robotech fan hehe, check out the wicked new stuff (not new shows, but new fan art, story lines and there's even new toys hehe) at www.robotech.com for all you fans out there.
Taino
07-10-2003, 01:58 PM
Being flamed is one thing. I often dont say what you want to hear. But there's a difference between flaming eachother based on the discussion and simply beating the living shit out of someone no matter what he says where and how no matter the topic just because it is this and that person.
I can live with it, yet I also open my mouth about it being pretty stupid.
valorindel
07-10-2003, 02:49 PM
Being flamed is one thing. I often dont say what you want to hear. But there's a difference between flaming eachother based on the discussion and simply beating the living shit out of someone no matter what he says where and how no matter the topic just because it is this and that person.
I only read page 1, then skipped to here and saw this final reply, just in case my post seems uninformed. Anyway, Taino, this is one of those occasions where you could learn why people like to beat the shit out of you no matter what you say. You took a thread, having absolutely positively not one fucking thing to do with the U.S. and attacked it; with an outrageous accusation as well, I might add. There have been 600 threads in the Rl forum where you have made your unpopular opinion known, but at least it was the time and place for it (mostly). This, my Swiss friend, is neither the time nor place. So take your lumps and shut the fuck up.
Taino
07-10-2003, 02:55 PM
You should have read all replies
valorindel
07-10-2003, 03:08 PM
Ok, so I took your advice and read all the replies. Now I see what I was missing:
LOL the swiss guy is saying G. Bush is "like" Hitler. What he really means is "we'd love to store your gold too Mr. Bush."
:lol
On a somewhat more serious note. Your short novel on propaganda in general seemed pretty well on target. And you have hardly been flamed in this thread, compared to normal anyway. What are you whining about? You ragging it?
giena
07-10-2003, 04:04 PM
So take your lumps and shut the fuck up.
I'm suddenly reminded of the old Bugs Bunny cartoons where he asks Elmer "How many lumps do you take" while serving tea, then he proceeds to beat the crap out of Elmer with a big ass mallet when Elmer replies "Three".
So far this thread = Taino bashes the US, Taino gets ragged, Taino then says "No, wait, what I really meant to say was..."
I respect your opinions Taino, but sheesh sometimes I just wanna /smack ya!
mirdorr
07-10-2003, 04:44 PM
If you want to read more about the ways propaganda is used by Bush and how it is compared to Hitler
You know, you really seem to just look for reasons to post anti-Bush rhetoric.
The article is not about similarities between Hitler's and Bush's propaganda. The article is about Bush ignoring advice, etc. and has one paragraph at end about a Bush speech. It's nothing you haven't said in 1500 other posts.
Gulor Gularin
07-10-2003, 05:02 PM
The article is an amusing read though. Of course it misses a critical point or two...such as if there really were a close parallel between Bush and Hitler, the author and his family would have disappeared by now and the article could not have been published in the first place.
The fact that leaders sometimes do not follow the advice they get should not surprise anyone. Bush is hardly unique in this. Also it is not as if he is ignoring all advice....he is getting conflicting advice and follows that which he believes to be best. Gee, I thought that is what a leader is supposed to do.
Parallels can be drawn by critics of every politician out there to Hitler (or Stalin) if you really want to and have an axe to grind. In the overall scheme of things, people will believe what they want to believe about public figures, good or bad.
deaath1
07-10-2003, 05:42 PM
Hey look it's our resident Eurotrolls.
Please STFU you guys no one cares.
ViBeSJoKeR
07-10-2003, 05:48 PM
Please STFU you guys no one cares.
Then stop responding.
Taino
07-10-2003, 06:35 PM
<blockquote style="padding-left:0.5em; margin-left:0; margin-right:0; margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0; border-left:solid 2">Taino bashes the US</blockquote>
Thats the point, I didn't bash the US. I just used the US example because it seemed to be the most obvious one, since I mostly speak to US people here. I made my point more clear in my second post, I think.
People did misunderstand me and just saw me trying to bash and flame the US once again and all I did was to speak up about this fucking not being my point at all.
But hey, anyways...
I whined, you noticed, case closed.
Palimax Sceleris
07-10-2003, 08:09 PM
What my only point is in the end:
- its not about Germany. Its not about any country. Its about one person speaking himself in the hearts of the people. He told then what they wanted to hear. And he did it the right way. And he proved it by building the country back up, gaining trust and so on. If this all would have happened in the US, the US would have acted the same. Switzerland would have acted the same (ebsdies I dont see us holding a WW ). This is / was my point.
And your point is still 100% wrong!
If you plant a tree, and you give it all the love, care, water, and sunlight it needs, it still won't grow if it's not in fertile soil.
1930's Germany was ripe soil for political upheaval. 1930's United States despite an economic depression, was not fertile soil for political upheaval.
I understand that you're saying, "If Franklin Delano Roosevelt was a nazi and Hitler was a democrat the US would have been killing Jews and Russians and the Germans would have been building dams and highways," but you're completely out of your mind.
Our idea of political upheval was electing a Democrat from our existing two-party system and keeping them in office until 1953.
Chand01
07-10-2003, 08:33 PM
im gonna have to agree with palimax
hitler would have not gotten out of control if germany was not economically or socially receptive to his ideas at the time
a crazy political leader's power only goes as far as his country can allow it
however, i do know that bush's whole fascination with christianity kinda scares me right now
nothing against christianity really or monothiestic religions, but he needs to lay off just a bit.
valorindel
07-10-2003, 08:53 PM
Yeah, I got to agree with you on that Chandalan. I have no problems with people who are Christians, especially those of which that practice what they preach. After all, I would consider someone who does not kill people, steal, fuck their neighbor's wife, etc. to be a fairly decent person. The bottom line is that there is supposed to be a seperation of church and state. Bushy is dancing on that bottom line and it isn't right, but then that seems to be his style. Oh well, if things go my way he will repeat his pa's fate and be no more than a 4 year queer. As opposed to an 8 year queer, I guess.....:o /shrug
oXARELo
07-10-2003, 09:07 PM
Chandalan, your little peronal photo of that evil girl or whatever with weird eyes stairing, scares me! EEEP! lol what is that from? its about horrific as a linda blair picture.
Chand01
07-10-2003, 09:26 PM
honestly
I dont know what its frome
found the picture on an old stileproject update
the entire picture looks like it's from a movie
maybe someone can enlighten me as to wha my avatar is actually from
Willgatus Airslasher
07-10-2003, 10:30 PM
Taino, say the following with me: "Politicians use propaganda."
Saying that Bush is like Hitler is true to some small extent -- they were male humans who became leaders of powerful nations. How unique!
Now let's compare me and you:
1) Both human. Check.
2) Both male. Check
3) Born in Europe. Check.
4) Some knowledge of English. Check.
5) Pissed away a lot of time in EQ playing paladins. Check.
6) Ayo-ro board users. Check.
OMG, I'm like Taino's clone (well, my EQ toon was cooler, being an Aryan, err pasty, but still :p )
Anyway, back to the main point. If Bush was anything like Hitler, he'd at least have the intelligence to expand on a geopolitical basis and invade Canada first :rollin
Cenaden
07-11-2003, 01:58 AM
But there'd be like...no resistance anyway, so we concentrate on our harder conquests first. :/
--Cen
Cenaden
07-11-2003, 02:00 AM
And before everyone gets their penix in a knot, that was a joke.
It's kinda one would even have to say that.
--Cen
CBCrystana
07-11-2003, 03:01 AM
Actually, from what i've read, some parts of the alexandria library were supposedly spirited away before the library was sacked. Only thing is, no one knows what happened to it if so...
I'd love to see what happened to amelia earhart tho if i could go back in time....Maybe buy 50% of the stock in a young company called microsoft? hehe
Chand01
07-11-2003, 10:10 AM
100%
valorindel
07-11-2003, 12:54 PM
That avatar picture reminds me of The Ring.
KarrmaEvershadow
07-11-2003, 08:17 PM
Binuvin-
If you are as big a Robotech fan as you claim to be then you would know that Robotech is not Japanese made, it is American made. Carl Macek took video footage from several different Japanese 'mecha' shows (including Macross) that were mostly created by Shoji Kawamori and edited them together to create Robotech.
Boo-ya! ;)
Chand01
07-11-2003, 08:40 PM
the pic i found was on a stileproject update a couple years older than the ring
but i suppose it does sorta
Chand01
07-11-2003, 08:46 PM
I would go back in time and steal a delorean right off the freighter
pop the tires and sell all the cocaine
TeHoRacle
07-11-2003, 11:18 PM
Holy shit!
I clicked on the link and 5 minutes later my great-grandson shows up and gives me a fortune!!!!
Laters dudes, I'm outta here, he told me they have virtual reality EQ and I gotta see that......
Yeah uh huh
Talari
07-12-2003, 10:43 AM
im not 100% sure but i think its from the original 'the ring' that was made in japan, they also have a sequal also.. 'ring' i think i saw it in a dvd store today. and please take it off cause after seeing 'the ring' from japan.... i was awake for 4 days straight and couldn't watch the tele in fear of da ring :p lol its crazy spookier then the crapy amerika version! TAKE IT OFF B4 I CANT SLEEP plzkkty :)
Ickabob
07-18-2003, 12:42 AM
LMAO.... what a scam.... just think of all the stupid ass people in the world... with enough of them visiting that site the motherfuckers would be rich....
time travel? what are they thinkin'....
<blockquote style="padding-left:0.5em; margin-left:0; margin-right:0; margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0; border-left:solid 2">that single dollar we invested jumps to $4,497,100,906,035.84 (that's four and a half TRILLION dollars!)</blockquote>
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Ickabob
07-18-2003, 12:46 AM
Yeah, the ring was origanally from japan, origanally called Ringu, I also believe there are 3 of 'em (ringu 1, 2, and 3)..
btw... that was a scarey ass movie
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