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Kelraz Bladesinger
07-04-2007, 02:17 PM
This was so good. I really recommend everyone who liked them as a kid to check it out. So many disappointing movies this summer (Spiderman, Pirates, Evan Almighty, Fantastic Four) but this one won't let you down. We can discuss it as more people have seen it :)
Binuven
07-04-2007, 03:57 PM
Aye, saw it last night and totally agree!
People argue that they messed with Transformers canon, but between the old cartoons, the comics and the new cartoons, that arguement barely holds water.
I loved how the cars were actual REAL models. I liked the fact that a huge amount of effort was made to make the transformations seem as realistic as possible.
I LOVED how Peter Cullen (the voice of Prime from the old cartoon) did Optimus Primes voice. I was disappointed though when Bumblebee spoke with an old mans voice. It would have been nice to get all the old voice actors back, but you can't have it all.
If anything, I found it kinda short. There was so much going on, I was literally drooling for more.
Overall I can't wait to go watch it again, not to mention you know damn well there's gonna be a sequel (but only those that stuck around in the theatre after the credits rolled know that one hehe. )
Cloudwalker21
07-04-2007, 06:24 PM
Saw it, loved it. Even though I wasn't a huge fan of the spindly looking robot forms that made it harder to figure out who was who, it was still a lot of fun. However, the human character development was kind of underdone, like that air force captain. What the crap was his name?
That aside though, it was great fun to watch. Even if it was a gigantic advertisement in some places.
Jedd Corpse
07-05-2007, 11:47 AM
Loved it!
Greystone Thorngage
07-06-2007, 01:51 PM
got to agree about the human character development. Wish they would of shown the soldier going home to hold his baby.
Cloudwalker21
07-06-2007, 02:22 PM
He did. But I still have no idea what the heck his name is.
Fadorn
07-07-2007, 01:31 AM
I really don't see how anyone could love that movie.
This has been the year of turning every potentially awesome movie into absolute crap, apparently...
There were so many corny and retarded plot lines in the film, that I don't even know where to begin venting my frustrations.
I mean... Bumblebee pissed on a guy...
ainwein
07-07-2007, 02:09 AM
This really was a lame ass movie.
First, I don't care about teeny bopper drama with the kid from Even Stevens. How many times do I need to see a close-up of them holding hands or staring at eachother?
Second, we don't need to hear this epic theme play everytime you show one of the robots, accompanied with stupified look on the face of Even Stevens Boy. Not every scene in your films is the second coming of Christ - get over yourself Michael Bay.
Third, the product placement was some of the worst I've ever seen.'
Last, the dialogue was some of the corniest shit I've ever heard. 'You're a soldier now!'
/barf
Greystone Thorngage
07-07-2007, 07:03 AM
Question for the two insane people who hated it. BE honest with yourself, cause i narrowed my friend down to this...did you expect a live action remake of the cartoon? That is where my friend went wrong he wanted it to be basically a long episode of the cartoon done in CGI.
Sanchek
07-07-2007, 09:14 AM
I thought it was great.
Bylimet Spiritwalker
07-07-2007, 09:41 AM
Question for the two insane people who hated it.
This is getting to be a pattern, Grey. Why does something have to be wrong with a person because they simply have a different opinion that yours?
Me, I have no plans on seeing the movie, even though the trailers are attention-getters. I am tired of not getting to see any original movies, but only remakes of old ones, or childhood cartoons brought to the big screen, or parts 2, 3 and 4 of a movie that was just ok in the first place.
That is most likely why I watch mostly foreign movies now. I highly recommend "Old Boys".
Greystone Thorngage
07-07-2007, 09:51 AM
This is getting to be a pattern, Grey. Why does something have to be wrong with a person because they simply have a different opinion that yours?
Here i thought the point of this board was to discuss things, it would be pointless to question the people who agree with me, cause well they agree. I respect their right to disagree, but i want to discuss it further. If they dont they can just not answer. It's a wonderful system we have. Thanks for keeping track of my posting habits, i would like a full report when you get a chance.
EDIT: by definition, if someone/something differs from what you beleive to be right isnt it wrong?
Bylimet Spiritwalker
07-07-2007, 11:19 AM
LOL, calling someone insane for not agreeing with you is not simply discussing differences, or questioning them. It is an attack, and pointless if seeking information is truly your purpose.
I have been enjoying the commercials using the transformers to sell cars, but those short 30 second spots are about all I need. :)
ainwein
07-07-2007, 01:49 PM
I watched the cartoon off and on when I was a kid. I was much more of a fan of Ghostbusters though.
That said, I think my reasons I listed sum up why I hated this movie.
The acting was absolutely horrid. The dialogue was horrible. The product placement was so bad it was distracting. OMG Panasonic Flash Disk! Mountain Dew Machine! EBAY! GM Cars!
Michael Bay: For this scene, let's have porn_star_girl and Even Stevens stare at eachother, then zoom in on porn_star's ass, then let's get a close up of their hands slowly meeting while playing the music from War of the Worlds. IT IS BEAUTIFUL!!! x 5
Michael Bay: Alright, this is only the 6th time he's seen the robots unmask. Cue the War of the Worlds track again!
Sometimes in a good movie I'll get goosebumps if the scene is played out right. I felt like this movie tried to achieve this effect over and over yet just fell flat on its face.
I went to watch this movie hoping for robot carange. I got some of that, with about an hour and 40 minute of bullshit. I really fail to see how anyone can like this movie unless you were really expecting just a mindless plot with painful story arcs with some robot cg sprinkled in.
I honestly cannot remember enough of the cartoon to have wanted the movie to be similar. I wanted a good movie. This movie was fueled by the Bay name and the Transformers franchise alone. The best part of the movie was the preview for the JJ Abrams flick at the beginning. I, too cannot see how anyone could love this movie, or declare it best of the summer.
ainwein
07-07-2007, 02:39 PM
And while I may be insane... Transformers (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/transformers_the_movie/)
Spiderman 3 came in at 61%
Pirates at Worlds End - 46%
Evan Almighty - 23%
Seems pretty accurate to me.
Malse
07-07-2007, 04:19 PM
The dialogue in these movies isn't supposed to be good or even how people really talk. It generally exists to explain the diegetically inscrutable reasons why the robot is about to curbstomp the other robot or get a laugh out of 15 year olds. I suppose I probably had a higher opinion of it than some given I have no idea who these actors are and saw the first half as a sophomoric bit of poking fun at the audience, and now let's roll right down the line to robot on robot action.
Akom of Cazic Thule
07-07-2007, 04:41 PM
I enjoyed it. Ofcourse, all my friends went to see it on Monday and I saw it Friday, so they had already discussed with me the shortcomings. Interesting thing is, I probably enjoyed it more because I was told than if I had gone in with much higher hopes. I went into the movie looking for an action flick. I don't expect much out of my action flicks, just good action. I don't need good acting, good plot... not for that type of movie. Transformers delivered just fine for that. I was able to sit back and enjoy. I liked *most* of the humor too. Some of it was forced (peeing on the guy for instance) and not all that funny.
Bylimet Spiritwalker
07-07-2007, 05:06 PM
I just finished seeing Pan's Labyrinth. Now that is a good movie, with a setting, characters, storyline, and an appeal to the child in all of us that wants to believe in something magical. Yes, the violence was extreme at times, but that is what wartime is like.
Movies are for entertainment, and an escape. Transformers offers visuals with the robots; I have not heard of anything else really in any of the critics reports. Pan's Labyrinth offers the whole deal.
On a scale of 1 - 5 stars, I gave it a 6.
Nydia Ywalmoriel
07-07-2007, 08:46 PM
But Bylimet, Pan's Labryinth didn't have any gigantic self-assembling proto-testosterone soaked ass-kicking robots in it! (in fact, it kind of provided a counterpoint to that whole gestalt, if you think about it, the aggression *isn't* glorified but recognized as its destructive or desperate reality :) ). I agree with your hijack in that Pan's Labryinth *is* a great movie, and so very Mexican in its ending (the director, who also did Chronos, is from Mexico). I'm hoping that this winter's The Golden Compass (taken from the book series His Dark Materials by Philip Pullman) is half as good...
Regards,
Nydia
Jensae1
07-07-2007, 11:42 PM
And while I may be insane... Transformers (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/transformers_the_movie/)
Spiderman 3 came in at 61%
Pirates at Worlds End - 46%
Evan Almighty - 23%
Seems pretty accurate to me.Yeah, seems pretty accurate to me too. Critics rated it 56%, users rated it 84%. As usual, critics seem way off from what I (and apparently the users of the site) actually enjoy - and I enjoyed this movie, as did the other people that went with me (just saw it tonight).
Cant remember the last time I listened to a "professional critic" - it still amazes me that people can make a living off of doing nothing but passing judgement on other people's creative work. One of the more worthless professions that currently exist, down there with "rich businessman's daughter", yet both pay extraordinarily well for being so worthless.
Thormir
07-08-2007, 12:04 AM
61% at metacritic (http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/transformers), which isn't that bad at all.
Cloudwalker21
07-08-2007, 10:36 AM
Pan's Labryinth isn't really on the same comparison chart as this movie for me. I went to see Transformers because I wanted to enjoy myself, not for any depth at all. Pan's Labryinth was a masterful work that blended plot with mood and character.
Transformers' plot was what could be expected. Its nothing to be enthused about, its a fairly standard monomythic plot with the fate of the world resting in the balance. The subplots (romance, soldier guy, whatever) were more of an annoyance than a good addition to the movie. The soundtrack wasn't always used to its best effect. The sheer number of GM cars present in the movie was ridiculous. I saw advertising for Microsoft's xbox several times.
However, that still didn't stop me from enjoying the movie, because I went looking to enjoy the movie for its action and for the Transformers, and the movie didn't fail in that regard, even if the models were very bizarre looking to me.
Greystone Thorngage
07-08-2007, 11:47 AM
Critics usually are compeltely wrong, i typically will go out of my way to watch a movie critics say was bad, typically its good.
(btw insane was meant in jest not an attack :p )
Thormir
07-08-2007, 12:35 PM
Critics regularly have a good handle on the films they review. Gods, man, are you insane?!
Sanchek
07-08-2007, 12:50 PM
Critics are typically far too interested in flaunting their self-important sense of highbrow, refined cinema to come up with a useful review of a movie like this.
ainwein
07-08-2007, 01:27 PM
Just found it interesting that the bastard critics seemed to agree with Kelraz on every movie but Transformers... I typically do not like critics either, but Rottentomatoes has always been accurate for me.
It wasn't a horrible movie, I was just horribly underwhelmed. = /
Fadorn
07-09-2007, 12:07 PM
I am in agreement with almost all of Ainwein's points, and I will leave those at that... he is much more articulate than I.
The CG was fantastic, and the action was great. However, all the other points listed in Ainwein's posts ruined the movie for me. I was squirming in my seat just wishing the movie would end ~45 minutes before it actually did. And everytime optimus prime opened his mouth and said something, I wanted to slit my wrists. The voice actor did a great job, but the dialogue was horrid.
I don't expect a movie to be Epic everytime I walk into the theatre, but I do expect to be entertained more than annoyed. That wasn't the case with Transformer's.
Sanchek
07-09-2007, 01:24 PM
Did anyone notice that Optimus Prime's voice actor in the movie was the same guy that did him in the '86 movie and the cartoon series?
Kelraz Bladesinger
07-09-2007, 01:33 PM
Yes! And him saying he was Optimus Prime and when he used the line "more than meets the eye" the entire theater bust out laughing. Thats what the movie was about, it was a neat action film with some amazing special effects BUT it was also a tribute to the show those of us growing up in the 80's watched as kids.
Product placement doesn't bother me - I mean, you need money to make a film like that and thats the easiest way to get it. And the dialogue, well a lot of it was very similar to the cartoon. It didn't bother me too much. Acting, well how can you criticize the acting of a giant mac truck?
Sanchek
07-09-2007, 01:49 PM
Acting, well how can you criticize the acting of a giant mac truck?
I think that sums it up as well as can be done.
ainwein
07-09-2007, 02:06 PM
Given the relative screentime between the hero and heroine and the truck...
Unless you are that horny over Shia LaBeouf (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shia_LaBeouf) and Megan Fox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megan_Fox), I fail to see how that makes any sense.
Sanchek
07-09-2007, 07:38 PM
I have a hard time understanding how any man can not be at least a little horny over Megan Fox in Transformers.
Malse
07-09-2007, 07:54 PM
The real question is, did more 13 year old boys whack off to her, or Optimus?
Kivorn
07-09-2007, 08:04 PM
Just saw it and I'm with Sanchek all the way (as usual when it comes to girl flesh). All in all it was a pretty ok movie. It did the series justice even if they bastardized Megatron with Jetfire, added some X-men and spiced it with a bit of lemon. Bumblebee was a disappointment, but the CG sort of made up for it. The last five minutes were however through the roof on the spielbergometer gauge. I mean come on, how many movies have he made like that?
All in all, good movie, ok script, too much Michael Bay.
ainwein
07-10-2007, 03:31 AM
Yeah, I'll admit I had half-wood for a lot of those scenes. She's 21 - it should have been rated R. :devil
Sanchek
07-10-2007, 06:31 PM
Poor Optimus.
http://mcsweeneys.net/2007/7/9weaver.html
Kivorn
07-10-2007, 07:28 PM
Gold. Pure gold.
Cloudwalker21
07-10-2007, 10:56 PM
Hahaha. Thats hilarious.
Bylimet Spiritwalker
07-10-2007, 11:26 PM
Had me laughing out loud, and I have only seen the commercials.
Kanyli
07-13-2007, 12:19 AM
It's a movie with a premise that giant robots disguise themselves as cars, you can't go in expecting too much depth. I enjoyed the movie, I was afraid it would come out like some of the REALLY bad comic book movies in the last few years, so I was pleasantly entertained.
It felt to me like they crammed too much into one movie. Is this a hacking movie? Military movie? Technology? Teen love? Oh no, I don't know where to look!
The teen love was at least developed. They honestly could have cut the movie down considerably. Did we need the female hacker chick at all (did she do anything related to the actual plot)? The whole Section 7 thing drove me nuts too - why have a semi-realistic government/military setup, then throw in one hokey branch (and I was not impressed with John Turturro's performance)? Just call them NSA and streamline the movie.
I wanted more robots. What I really wanted to see was the Decepticons - the brief snippet between Megatron and Starscream was classic. Throw on the walking cars instead of the human actors. I loved the scene with the Autobots outside the house.
It was a good ride, but it really felt clunky and unfocused in it's execution.
Binuven
08-03-2007, 08:02 PM
Am I the only one wondering if they "did it" inside Bumblebee? I mean, wouldn't that just be weird?!??!
I don't fully agree with what's said here, but it is pretty funny hehe.
http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=241
Cloudwalker21
08-04-2007, 10:14 AM
As soon as you mentioned that I was going to link you to the vgcats comic. Its an odd thought, to be sure.
Kelraz Bladesinger
08-12-2007, 03:47 PM
The next one should have a lot more of the autobots and decepticons. It was *very* expensive getting them designed and modeled and what have you and they couldn't afford to put them in all that much. Now that the work is done, they'll have a lot more flexibility with the next one.
Crystana65
08-13-2007, 05:42 PM
**Puts in a vote to add Soundwave to the expected sequel**
Sixee
08-14-2007, 07:54 AM
**Puts in a vote to add Soundwave to the expected sequel**
I was gonna say the same thing....
I MISS SOUNDWAVE'S VOICE!!!!
I remember reading somewhere that the director didn't want to use any "Size changing" Transformers, and that's why Soundwave and the cassette tapes were left out....
But WTH was that cosmic cube thing? :eek:
It went from a cube half a mile in size to something the kid could carry around in 1 hand....
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