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Jedd Corpse
05-09-2008, 09:21 PM
The case for invading Myanmar
By Shawn W Crispin

BANGKOK - With United States warships and air force planes at the ready, and over 1 million of Myanmar's citizens left bedraggled, homeless and susceptible to water-borne diseases by Cyclone Nagris, the natural disaster presents an opportunity in crisis for the US.

A unilateral - and potentially United Nations-approved - US military intervention in the name of humanitarianism could easily turn the tide against the impoverished country's unpopular military leaders, and simultaneously rehabilitate the legacy of lame-duck US President George W Bush's controversial pre-emptive military policies.

Myanmar's ruling junta has responded woefully to the cyclone disaster, costing more human lives than would have been the case with the approval of a swift international response. One week after the killer storm first hit, Myanmar's junta has only now allowed desperately needed international emergency supplies to trickle in. It continues to resist US and UN disaster relief and food aid personnel from entering the country. Officially, 60,000 people have died; the figure is probably closer to 100,000.

The US is prepared to deliver US$3.25 million in initial assistance for survivors, which if allowed by the junta could be rapidly delivered to the worst-hit areas using US Air Force and naval vessels, including the US C-130 military aircraft now in neighboring Thailand, and the USS Kitty Hawk and USS Nimitz naval warships, currently on standby in nearby waters.

With the host government's approval, the US military led the multinational emergency response to the 2004 tsunami, including in the politically sensitive, majority Muslim areas of Aceh, Indonesia. The response to Myanmar's tragedy, in comparison, is being undermined by the play of international power politics, including most notably the military government's antagonistic relations with the US.

Washington has long-held economic sanctions against the regime, which were recently enhanced through financial sanctions against individual junta members, their families and business associates. Despite the economic suffering the sanctions have had on the grassroots population, many Myanmar citizens support the measures against their perceived abusive government, according to one Myanmar researcher. Early last year, the US tried to have Myanmar's abysmal rights record put onto the UN Security Council's agenda, but the motion was later vetoed by Myanmar allies China and Russia.

In the wake of the cyclone, the criminality of the junta's callous policies has taken on new human proportions in full view of the global community. Without a perceived strong UN-led response to the natural disaster, hard new questions will fast arise about the UN's own relevance and ability to manage global calamities.

This week, French Foreign Minister Bernard Koucher suggested that the UN invoke its so-called "responsibility to protect" civilians as legitimate grounds to force aid delivery, regardless of the military government's objections. On Friday, a UN spokesman called the junta's refusal to issue visas to aid workers "unprecedented" in the history of humanitarian work.

Because of the UN's own limited powers of projection, such a response would require US military management and assets. US officials appear to be building at least a rhetorical case for a humanitarian intervention. While offering relief and aid with one hand, top US officials have with the other publicly slapped at the Myanmar government's lame response to the disaster.

Shari Villarosa, head of the US Embassy in Yangon, has challenged the veracity of the government's official death count, telling reporters that storm-related casualties could eventually exceed 100,000 at a time the junta claimed 22,500 had perished. The junta has since revised up its official death toll figure to around 60,000.

US First Lady Laura Bush, who last year publicly goaded Myanmar's population to rise up against the military junta during the "Saffron" revolution, has in the wake of the cyclone revived her criticisms, referring to the government as "inept" and claiming that despite it receiving forewarning it failed to alert its citizens of the impending cyclone.

"It should be a simple matter," said US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, referring to the junta's refusal to allow foreign aid workers into the country. "It's not a matter of politics. It's a matter of a humanitarian crisis."

Armed and ready

Should the junta continue to resist foreign assistance while social and public health conditions deteriorate in clear view of global news audiences, the moral case for a UN-approved, US-led humanitarian intervention will grow. Fistfights have already reportedly broken out over food supplies in Yangon, raising the risk that Myanmar troops could soon be called to put down unrest in the midst of a humanitarian crisis. Last September, Myanmar's army opened fire against and killed an unknown number of street demonstrators.

Apart from putting significant US military assets on standby, there are no indications yet that President George W Bush or the Pentagon is preparing a unilateral rescue operation. Yet policymakers in Washington are now no doubt weighing the potential pros and cons of a pre-emptive humanitarian mission in a geo-strategically pivotal and suddenly weakened country that Bush administration officials have recently and repeatedly referred to as an "outpost of tyranny".

Within that policy matrix, the deteriorating situation presents a unique opportunity for Bush to burnish his foreign policy legacy. Some note that a US military response to Myanmar's humanitarian crisis would follow in the footsteps of Bush's presidential father, George H W Bush, who after declaring victory over the Soviet Union's communist threat, moved to demonstrate to the post-Cold War world that US military might would be a force for global good.

That included his government's US military-led humanitarian aid mission in civil war- and famine-struck Somalia in August 1992 that morphed later in the same year into a full-blown US Marine invasion of the capital Mogadishu, including the airport and main port, to protect the integrity of future aid deliveries from marauding militias. That military mission was mostly abandoned by 1993 after fierce fighting between US troops and Somali militias, while television images of a slain US soldier being dragged through Mogadishu's streets took the idealistic edge off the supposedly humanitarian military exercise.

This time, it is almost sure-fire that Myanmar's desperate population would warmly welcome a US-led humanitarian intervention, considering that its own government is now withholding emergency supplies. Like his father then, Bush is now clearly focused on his presidential legacy, which to date will be judged harshly due to his government's controversial pre-emptive military policies, waged until now exclusively in the name of fighting global terror.

In an era when the US routinely launches pre-emptive military strikes, including its 2003 invasion of Iraq, the 2003 Predator drone assassination attack against an alleged al-Qaeda leader in Yemen, a similar drone attack in 2006 in northwestern Pakistan, and last week's attack against a reputed al-Qaeda ringleader in Somalia, it is not inconceivable that the US might yet intervene in military-run Myanmar, particularly if in the days ahead the social and political situation tilts towards anomie.

Whether or not a US military intervention in the name of humanitarianism would, as in Somalia, eventually morph into an armed attempt at regime change and nation-building would likely depend on the population's and Myanmar military's response to the first landing of US troops. Some political analysts speculate that Myanmar's woefully under-resourced and widely unpopular troops would defect en masse rather than confront US troops.

While Myanmar ally China would likely oppose a US military intervention, Beijing has so far notably goaded the junta to work with rather than against international organizations like the UN, and more to the point, it lacks the power projection capabilities to militarily challenge the US in a foreign theater. Most notably, the US would have at its disposal a globally respected and once democratically elected leader in Aung San Suu Kyi to lead a transitional government to full democracy.

Many have speculated that Myanmar's notoriously paranoid junta abruptly moved the national capital 400 kilometers north from Yangon to its mountain-rung redoubt at Naypyidaw in November 2005 due to fears of a possible pre-emptive US invasion, similar to the action against Iraq.

Now, Cyclone Nagris and the government's woeful response to the disaster have suddenly made that once paranoid delusion into a strong pre-emptive possibility, one that Bush's lame-duck presidency desperately needs.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/JE10Ae01.html


If we really cared about human rights, and getting rid of dictators... We would send our troops to Mynamar, to really liberate people who need us.

Lleauric
05-09-2008, 09:23 PM
There is no oil there..

Who gives a fuck.

Jedd Corpse
05-10-2008, 01:34 AM
Seriously... If you want to get Democrats and Republicans on the same side for once regarding war... Invade Burma!.

This Democrat/Independent Anti-War activist would back Bush all the way on that one.

Rover
05-10-2008, 01:49 AM
Seriously... If you want to get Democrats and Republicans on the same side for once regarding war... Invade Burma!.

This Democrat/Independent Anti-War activist would back Bush all the way on that one.


LOL...but as L2 said...no oil...no war for joo! If rubber trees were a commodity anymore...then we just might get ourselves bogged down again.

Osgiliath666
05-10-2008, 03:30 AM
There is no oil there..

Who gives a fuck.


Spoken with truth and conviction... I agree 100%

Haloface
05-10-2008, 04:15 AM
We seriously need to be in Burma. Completely.

Unlike Iraq, it is a place where the people are crying out for help, and the junta far more evil than Saddam's regime ever was.
This current situation is sickening. This is where Western military pressure must be forced. It's disgusting that we're too busy else where. Just as disgusting as when the Sudan needed us.

Fandros
05-10-2008, 10:04 AM
I'd be okay with this action. They need help badly!!

Ibudin
05-10-2008, 01:14 PM
We seriously need to be in Burma. Completely.

Unlike Iraq, it is a place where the people are crying out for help, and the junta far more evil than Saddam's regime ever was.
This current situation is sickening. This is where Western military pressure must be forced. It's disgusting that we're too busy else where. Just as disgusting as when the Sudan needed us.

It should be a UN ran operation. I wouldn't mind if your country had to do something militarily but from a distance. Give support to France, Germany, <insert> other EU participants. But no soldiers and not on our dime.

Jedd Corpse
05-10-2008, 01:16 PM
It should be a UN ran operation. I wouldn't mind if your country had to do something militarily but from a distance. Give support to France, Germany, <insert> other EU participants. But no soldiers and not on our dime.

Champions of freedom and democracy indeed....

Elemak the Enchanter
05-10-2008, 01:18 PM
Jedd Shut the fuck up, you had a good thread going and then you took a big shit on it.

Anyway, it ought to be a UN/Nato Operation Bring in international troops, we all share part of it help the people, bitch slap the bad guys, and then exploit all their natural resources... I mean help them rebuild. ;)

Jedd Corpse
05-10-2008, 01:20 PM
Jedd Shut the fuck up, you had a good thread going and then you took a big shit on it.

Anyway, it ought to be a UN/Nato Operation Bring in international troops, we all share part of it help the people, bitch slap the bad guys, and then exploit all their natural resources... I mean help them rebuild. ;)

Not on our dime??? You defend that bullshit?

ainwein
05-10-2008, 01:22 PM
I am encouraged by attention that the suffering in Burma is getting. It is a step in the right direction. In the future, it would be nice if these efforts would be extended to all suffering people, not just those who are the victim of a natural disaster.

I just hope they keep a tight leash on this.

Elemak the Enchanter
05-10-2008, 01:29 PM
it ought to be a UN/Nato Operation Bring in international troops, we all share part of it

Reading comprehension!

It should not be all the US if something is done, for many reasons.

A: Everyone bitches at us when we do things by ourselves
B: This is an international responsibility, so more than one nation should be doing it
C: We have Two wars going on, it'd be nice if some of the other European countries (who aren't helping currently) Sent troops to help with something that is a definitely more justified than our other conflicts.
D: In another somewhat similar war NATO did a damn fine job in Kosovo, there is a huge potential for something like that to work there too if done right.

And no the US shouldn't foot the entire bill, we should most certainly help, but not do it ourselves. That is why it should be either the UN or a Nato operation.

Rover
05-10-2008, 01:37 PM
Reading comprehension!

It should not be all the US if something is done, for many reasons.

A: Everyone bitches at us when we do things by ourselves
B: This is an international responsibility, so more than one nation should be doing it
C: We have Two wars going on, it'd be nice if some of the other European countries (who aren't helping currently) Sent troops to help with something that is a definitely more justified than our other conflicts.
D: In another somewhat similar war NATO did a damn fine job in Kosovo, there is a huge potential for something like that to work there too if done right.

And no the US shouldn't foot the entire bill, we should most certainly help, but not do it ourselves. That is why it should be either the UN or a Nato operation.

You are absolutely correct unfortunately it is a failing of our leaders that we no longer lead these types of operations. The Kosovo Nato intervention was a true testament to our leaders at that time.

Jedd Corpse
05-10-2008, 01:37 PM
Reading comprehension!

It should not be all the US if something is done, for many reasons.

A: Everyone bitches at us when we do things by ourselves

It is not because we take action that they bitch at us... They bitch at us because we wage wars to expand our influence.

B: This is an international responsibility, so more than one nation should be doing it

And anyone who wants can join in and help us. Why do we need to wait for other countries to commit to their moral responsibilities before we do?

C: We have Two wars going on, it'd be nice if some of the other European countries (who aren't helping currently) Sent troops to help with something that is a definitely more justified than our other conflicts.

Agreed, but our two current wars are far less beneficial to freedom and democracy. Though it can't be helped that we are in them. We can pull out of Iraq, and send our troops to Burma... Sounds peachy!

D: In another somewhat similar war NATO did a damn fine job in Kosovo, there is a huge potential for something like that to work there too if done right.

We need to lead this one way or another. What good is it preaching freedom and democracy, if we pass up the chances to truly bring freedom and democracy to those who so desperately need it. Especially when they are dieing because of an inept government.

And no the US shouldn't foot the entire bill, we should most certainly help, but not do it ourselves. That is why it should be either the UN or a Nato operation.

We should get people serious about it, and sadly no one will be serious until the US stands up and decides to start the operation.


We didn't care about the international community when we went to Iraq, we should not care if they wish to stay silent when we go into Burma. At least it would redeem us somewhat.

Wiggo da troll
05-10-2008, 01:41 PM
it shouldnt be another unilateral intervention, and it shouldnt be nato, it should be done on an UN mandate.

Bylimet Spiritwalker
05-10-2008, 02:03 PM
The nations surrounding Burma (fuck the junta and their name change) should be the first ones to be involved in pressing the UN on this. China has been getting nothing but bad press heading into the Olympics, with many countries openly discussing boycotts of the opening ceremonies and even the games.
Are the Chinese leaders really that out of touch they could not recognize this tragedy to be a golden opportunity to mend some fences, and polish their image with their soon to be guests?

Much as I dislike the option, if none of the powers in the region are willing to step up and display some humanitarian spirit, then the US with UN backing should simply tell the junta that we are going to be landing aid and aid workers to assist in this tragedy, and if they fuck with it or our workers we have cruise missiles already programmed with their government headquarters coordinates.

velvetsilence
05-10-2008, 04:13 PM
Byte pretty much summed up my opinion on this, well said old fart.

Jedd Corpse
05-10-2008, 04:31 PM
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1739053,00.html?cnn=yes