I don't want to spoil it for anyone who hasn't see it yet but that was the best UFC I have seen in a long time. .... :)

Is that the one with Straight Dave as the MC?

Id say it looked good, i just went to ufc.com and checked out the winners...didnt get the ppv. Was glad to see the outcomes, although they where kind of easy to predict. Liked seeing the Britian get ktfo....he has a big mouth.

Brock's victory speech was quite possibly the best thing ever aired on television.

Oh Brock is now the bad guy.... he recanted in the post fight interview after Dana White jumped all over his ass...

I was fine until the "I may climb on top of my wife" part..... that was kind of degradeing...

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/2340/1247367977823.gif

Oh Brock is now the bad guy.... he recanted in the post fight interview after Dana White jumped all over his ass...

I was fine until the "I may climb on top of my wife" part..... that was kind of degradeing...

His wife reaction after he said that and went up to hug her wasnt a very pleased reaction, she pulled and turned away from he.. so yea.. he was already in the dog house befor he left the ring :D

Ibudin, I loved that knock out... and was glad to see it.... that Brit was talking trash the who TUF this season, and he was running scared in the ring.

Dan never said anything derogatory or even bothered responding to Bisbings antics, instead he did his talking in the ring..... Bravo dan!

Hendo is a world class athlete, Bisping should have shown respect to him. Not only a world class wrestler but he held 2 belts in Pride. Hes a machine and become one pretty quick once he started MMA.

Brock recanted everything on ufc.com. He even says that Dana White chewed his ass out. In an attempt to save Budweiser from pulling all future sponsorships I bet.

What I noted about his apology was how he started it, "I love this company UFC." Sounds to me like he was responding to if you ever want to fight in the UFC again you will do the following.

yeah I saw that interview....it was obvious he was made to say that.... I tend to believe his initial response..

I love Brock Lesnar. Did when he was in the WWE and do now, he's downright amazing at his ability to get a crowd to hate him and make people pay to see him get beaten.

Though it's sad that they tried to use the "he used to be a wrestler!" excuse about his post match speech. UFC has been using (very very good) pro wrestling style promo's and characters for a long while now, and it's one of the reasons for their success.

That brings up a good discussion, you think the UFC is fixed, or the outcome is influenced by UFC Management?

UFC is not fixed, nor are the outcomes. Crocrop would be an example of that...he was suppose to be the next UFC god, and then he got his ass kicked, so have many other up and comers. The MMA camps would not have anything to do with it. Its not rigged, and you are going to have one hell of a time proving it is. Comparing MMA to WWE isn't even close, its almost silly to think so.

I think that UFC Management (Dana White) protects some up and coming "stars" to protect their records. Do I think the individual fights are fixed, no. I also think he personally promotes fighters for the betterment the UFC company, but I don't have a problem with that.

The real challenge for Dana White personally is to not let success to go his head, he is doing a good job as the up and comer, can he make the transition once Mixed Martial Arts kills Boxing as the premier fighting sport. Can he withhold the temptation to stifle competition and actually promote it.

He is not off to a good start on the UFC video game, saying that any fighter that appears in the EA Mixed Martial Arts fighting game will never fight in the UFC.

That second hit of Henderson's was suspect. He knew he was out and just wanted to hurt him. He should be been fine with just knocking his ass out. Someone getting paralyzed or worse with antics like that is what will kill the UFC.

That brings up a good discussion, you think the UFC is fixed, or the outcome is influenced by UFC Management?

Not at all, I never even mentioned the in-ring action, I see no reason to believe it's not legit competition. I was merely talking about the pre-fight promotion, storylines, and obviously fake or exaggerated characters that many of the fighters can be. (Fighters constantly talk shit to each other before a fight then are best buds afterwards saying they were just trying to build excitement, that's called "working") In that area UFC is very very similar to pro wrestling, the only major different between the two is UFC fights aren't scripted. That's why so many wrestling fans are getting into UFC, UFC does the things I mentioned better then any other major MMA or wrestling company.

I remember when Bas Rutten was brought in, jeez, he even LOOKED like the UFC cartoon figure they had on the logo.... he won but he got his ass whipped for 99% of the fight before getting lucky and ko'ing his opponent...

As far as the second hit from henderson, in that split second it is probably hard to make the decision to stop fighting, but he was clearly out.... he did not try to hit Bisping after the ref said stop though....

So no, I don't think it is is fixed....

Not at all, I never even mentioned the in-ring action, I see no reason to believe it's not legit competition. I was merely talking about the pre-fight promotion, storylines, and obviously fake or exaggerated characters that many of the fighters can be. (Fighters constantly talk shit to each other before a fight then are best buds afterwards saying they were just trying to build excitement, that's called "working") In that area UFC is very very similar to pro wrestling, the only major different between the two is UFC fights aren't scripted. That's why so many wrestling fans are getting into UFC, UFC does the things I mentioned better then any other major MMA or wrestling company.

I have to think DiscW has a pretty solid grasp on it. Outside of the ring you have to realize everything is influenced by promoters, managers, and especially in the world of television producers and their biggest bosses the sponsors. However there are Vegas odds on most fights and they probably aren't staged. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised to learn one or two fights were thrown for the sake of ratings.

Never know I guess, Henderson shouldn't be fined although...they fight till the ref stops it...much when someone has a deep submission and even though the opponent is tapping out...the ref doesnt catch it and things get broken/torn ect..

Fine Hinderson!?!? That will ruin the sport, the sport is dangerous and brutal. Don't like it don't partake. Watch UFC 1-10 and tell me that today is nearly as brutal as those events. You have an individual swinging with every bit of his will/strength and is focused on one thing you can't just turn that off. That "killer" instinct is what separates champions from just a great fighter.

Bottom line the sport is brutal, they specifically don't stop fights early and give the athlete a chance to recover. I agree that Bizbing was not coming out of that stupor but the ref only had a split second to read that then get in between the fighters. It wouldn't have been possible to stop the fight any faster.

I didn't say anything about a fine, I just said Henderson knew he was out and threw everything he had at Bisping's limp face. He jumped off the ground and landed on his head with his fist and forearm and all his body weight behind it. He knew what he was doing, he was trying to hurt him more than what was required to win. Rogan asked him as much after the fight and he said that the second hit was "to shut him up". There is a difference between "turning off killer instinct" and trying to knock a guy out of the sport. He could have just as easily jumped on top of him and love tapped his chin to get the stopage, he was out cold.

Comparing today's fghts to UFC's 1-10 doesn't make sense. I am saying someone getting seriously hurt, or killed, is going to end the sport. The no rules contests that existed in the beginning is what got the sport banned in practically every state in the first place.

I loved seeing Henderson knock his ass out, it was beautiful. But, that second hit was nasty.

I agree with you Fadorn, late hits could be looked at case by case and when they openly admit they knew what they were doing, then it should be monitored (as in he admitted he wanted to hurt him).

However UFC has already been around for 20 years and no one has died. Boxing however numerous people have died, the sport still goes on. Football players get mutilated all the time, the sport still goes on. UFC is actually pretty tame to all that imo.

I don't think that Henderson "knew" he was out, he knew he was down. The "to shut him up" comment was a threat (not really a threat because it was after the punch) but I don't think his intent was to maim. Hurt more than what is required to win, yes I agree with that comment. Do I think it will end the sport, nope.

The real question is will you stop watching if the fighters start to back off when the other fighter is weakened? If something is on their mind other than victory or beating the other guy senseless, I think the sport will loose the gladiator edge that it now has and will be less appealing to me.

He knew, and landed the second one to make sure he wouldnt wake up. From his own mouth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vp9A6dTMe8

BTW i am a huge Hendo fan. I have watched UFC from ground zero, this isnt nothing new, and I have seen a lot worse on the mat punches to the face than this one.

I stand corrected.

There are some rules they have to follow with in the rings and during the fight, Henderson knew hat he was doing .. a down fighter is a down fighter, no kneeing a person down.. and no blows to the back of the head...

The final blow was 100% legal. The discussion was whether the blow should be legal.

Was more about the fighter more so whether legal or illegal. Many times greast fighters have the opportunity to land devasting blows to one that is knocked out before the ref can or would get to them, however the fighter uses his moral better judgment and doesn't do it. Bottom line is, ref isnt stopping it, keep at it.

Being in more than a few brawls myself, 12 years amatuer wrestling as well as the occasional bar room type, you get that juiced up it's hard to really draw the line...hell see the line.

I'm a big Bisping fan as well as pretty much all the brave folks that enter the MMA ring and everyone knows they run the risk of getting jacked up.

Most of the fighters complain far more often of early stoppage than the reverse. Early stoppage being much preferred and why the sport will continue to grow imho.