View Full Version : Uh oh we are losing!!! Time to go negative!!!
Jedd Corpse
10-04-2008, 08:07 PM
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/POLITICS/10/04/palin.obama/t1home.palin.ca.cnn.jpg (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/04/palin.obama/index.html)
updated 45 minutes ago
Palin says Obama pals with 'terrorists' (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/04/palin.obama/index.html)
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin slammed Sen. Barack Obama's political relationship with a former anti-war radical on Saturday, accusing him of associating "with terrorists who targeted their own country." Palin's comment delivered on the McCain campaign's announcement that it would step up attacks on the Democratic presidential candidate. full story (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/04/palin.obama/index.html)
PheloniusRM
10-04-2008, 10:10 PM
Here is another doosey;
"In Scranton, Pa., every Catholic attending Mass this weekend will hear a special homily about the election next month: Bishop Joseph Martino has ordered every priest in the diocese to read a letter warning that voting for a supporter of abortion rights amounts to endorsing “homicide.”
“Being ‘right’ on taxes, education, health care, immigration and the economy fails to make up for the error of disregarding the value of a human life,” the bishop wrote. “It is a tragic irony that ‘pro-choice’ candidates have come to support homicide — the gravest injustice a society can tolerate — in the name of ‘social justice."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27023915/
Bylimet Spiritwalker
10-04-2008, 11:01 PM
Where did I miss the memo that said the life of the woman impregnated ceases to have significance, and that all importance now lies in the fetus?
Basically, that is what these hypocrites are saying, from the Palins and Bachmans all the way up to the Pope; we do not care about the life of the ill mother, or the psychological and financial hardships faced by the victim of rape, or anything other than protecting this small minute piece of flesh and genetic material that we know nothing about. This small biologicical lump now should have more rights than the human carrying it.
Those folks make me sick, in case there was any doubt to my feelings on the issue.
Kelraz Bladesinger
10-05-2008, 02:09 AM
Here is another doosey;
"In Scranton, Pa., every Catholic attending Mass this weekend will hear a special homily about the election next month: Bishop Joseph Martino has ordered every priest in the diocese to read a letter warning that voting for a supporter of abortion rights amounts to endorsing “homicide.”
“Being ‘right’ on taxes, education, health care, immigration and the economy fails to make up for the error of disregarding the value of a human life,” the bishop wrote. “It is a tragic irony that ‘pro-choice’ candidates have come to support homicide — the gravest injustice a society can tolerate — in the name of ‘social justice."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27023915/
The Catholic Church has long been out of touch, luckily there are many a Protestant sect that aren't as narrow minded.
Jedd Corpse
10-06-2008, 09:51 AM
McCain shoots himself in the foot...
nHW-RO1_WN0
Beelziod
10-06-2008, 04:04 PM
McCain shot himself in the foot when he tried to out liberal Democrats.
Rover
10-06-2008, 05:06 PM
Just Curious Beelz...what has modern conservatism done for our country? Since for the past 20 of 28 years we have had a so called conservative in the whitehouse and for eight of those years there was a total hold on power.
Why should we buy into the mantra of it? Why should we trust it to be given anymore chances? Just give me a convincing argument, don't go after the opposition please. Point out the major accomplisments that have brought anything to the USA.
Malse
10-06-2008, 05:43 PM
Modern Republicans are not conservatives, they are neoliberal fascists (in the actual meaning of the word, not the pejorative) with a vocal minority of religious reactionaries. The only people that talk about conservative versus liberal in America politics are lying to you, morons, or both.
Lleauric
10-06-2008, 06:38 PM
Everyone believes in smaller government until THEY need something.
Not saying its right, it just is.
Fandros
10-06-2008, 06:46 PM
Modern Republicans are not conservatives, they are neoliberal fascists (in the actual meaning of the word, not the pejorative) with a vocal minority of religious reactionaries. The only people that talk about conservative versus liberal in America politics are lying to you, morons, or both.
The controlling faction in the Republican party atm fits this term to a T.
When you here some of us talk about taking the party back that's who we want out of control.
It's not the values of conservation, or old school Republicans that's amiss. The 80's and 90's were great, to say different is putting on blinders purposely so thick and narrow you hurt yourself by trying to sell it to anyone else.
(not directed at anyone when I say you, just tired of hearing younger kids at work and abroad chant this bullshit)
Bylimet Spiritwalker
10-06-2008, 07:49 PM
It's not the values of conservation, or old school Republicans that's amiss. The 80's and 90's were great, to say different is putting on blinders purposely so thick and narrow you hurt yourself by trying to sell it to anyone else.
While I was not always a fan of Reagan's policies, I did like the manner in which he led the country on the whole. Ergo, the 80's were good, but great may be a stretch.
However, Bush Sr reminded me of Charlie Brown too much; wishy-washy is a decent description, I guess. It was his inability to think outside the box that cost him re-election, and started the partisan warfare we have today.
The Republican party was incensed at losing the White House, and people like Gingrich and Hyde took their sour grapes and turned it into an action by which they would disgrace the sitting Democratic President any way they could; has their ever been another case of a special prosecutor charged with a specific investigation being allowed to refocus the investigation multiple times as each prior charge proved fruitless?
The Republican leadership of the 90's destroyed the party, and led to even more venomous people coming into power, ala Tom Delay and his ilk. So I will have to disagree that the 90's were great, as our nation was being humiliated for the sole purpose of getting back at the Democrats for having had the audacity to win an election.
This country desperately needs to have some strong, viable third party candidates. The biggest obstacle is that our politics have become based on money rather than ideas. :(
PheloniusRM
10-06-2008, 08:37 PM
Be afraid, be very afraid. An "analytical note" was issued. The audio tape was recorded by a man who was killed in 2003. Why in the hell are we issuing warnings about it? Oh yeah, thats right, we have an election coming up soon.
http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/06/1501940.aspx
Malse
10-07-2008, 12:10 AM
It's not the values of conservation, or old school Republicans that's amiss. The 80's and 90's were great, to say different is putting on blinders purposely so thick and narrow you hurt yourself by trying to sell it to anyone else.
Maybe they were a little better at it, but the people in charge now were the underlings and disciples of the Reaganites, and some of them worked in the Reagan and Bush Sr administrations as well.
The 80s were great because we were still coming down from the economic super-high of the 50s and 60s, but all the problems that exist now with the economy were already present and growing at that time -- remember Japan-bashing, one of the earliest misplaced populist micro-revolts against business moving away from home? If only we'd pointed that fervor at the right people ...
We were the richest nation that has ever existed on earth fifty years ago. That sort of supernova of circumstance doesn't evaporate over night. As it turns out, it took us about four decades to sell ourselves down the river and a fifth to sell the paddle too.
Rover
10-07-2008, 09:35 AM
Now it seems that this "Obama pals around with terrorists" is turning ugly. At rallies for McCain/Palin when its mentioned there are shouts from the crowd of "terrorist" and "kill him". When will McCain speak out that it is wrong and insane.
Fandros
10-07-2008, 09:52 AM
Maybe they were a little better at it, but the people in charge now were the underlings and disciples of the Reaganites, and some of them worked in the Reagan and Bush Sr administrations as well.
The 80s were great because we were still coming down from the economic super-high of the 50s and 60s, but all the problems that exist now with the economy were already present and growing at that time -- remember Japan-bashing, one of the earliest misplaced populist micro-revolts against business moving away from home? If only we'd pointed that fervor at the right people ...
We were the richest nation that has ever existed on earth fifty years ago. That sort of supernova of circumstance doesn't evaporate over night. As it turns out, it took us about four decades to sell ourselves down the river and a fifth to sell the paddle too.
Yes and no Malse, at the start of the 80's we weren't living high at all. The 70's were scary, especially if you consider the oil issues we had (tho we sure forgot that lesson quickly didn't we).
Fandros
10-07-2008, 09:52 AM
Now it seems that this "Obama pals around with terrorists" is turning ugly. At rallies for McCain/Palin when its mentioned there are shouts from the crowd of "terrorist" and "kill him". When will McCain speak out that it is wrong and insane.
See, I knew there was a reason I couldn't back the McCain ticket ;(
Ailwon
10-07-2008, 10:31 AM
When will McCain speak out that it is wrong and insane.
He won't, he, and his insane/inane running mate have lost all scruples. It's swift boat 2.0 for them. Change the perception of the ignorant, red neck dumb shits and try to change the perception of a candidate.
Remember this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbcuqfaroe4
...and people (and I use that term loosely trying to include OS) are actually going to vote for this ass.
Sixee
10-07-2008, 10:35 AM
LOL A lot of people forgot the "odd and even days" method of keeping the gas supply from disappearing in the 70s....
We need some smaller cars like what were built in that time as well....
Rover
10-07-2008, 10:48 AM
Amazingly Jimmy Carter was right all along...what a difference a few decades make...
Fandros
10-07-2008, 11:12 AM
Amazingly Jimmy Carter was right all along...what a difference a few decades make...
Jimmy wasn't right about much, but he was correct about needing to change our dependecy on oil.
Gods was the country sad when he was President. Oh and was it oblivious when it forgot the lesson of oil crisis means painful times all around.
Sixee
10-07-2008, 11:13 AM
I still think he's going to Hell for giving away the Panama Canal.....
Oh well, down the hatch!
Fandros
10-07-2008, 11:14 AM
While I was not always a fan of Reagan's policies, I did like the manner in which he led the country on the whole. Ergo, the 80's were good, but great may be a stretch.
However, Bush Sr reminded me of Charlie Brown too much; wishy-washy is a decent description, I guess. It was his inability to think outside the box that cost him re-election, and started the partisan warfare we have today.
The Republican party was incensed at losing the White House, and people like Gingrich and Hyde took their sour grapes and turned it into an action by which they would disgrace the sitting Democratic President any way they could; has their ever been another case of a special prosecutor charged with a specific investigation being allowed to refocus the investigation multiple times as each prior charge proved fruitless?
The Republican leadership of the 90's destroyed the party, and led to even more venomous people coming into power, ala Tom Delay and his ilk. So I will have to disagree that the 90's were great, as our nation was being humiliated for the sole purpose of getting back at the Democrats for having had the audacity to win an election.
This country desperately needs to have some strong, viable third party candidates. The biggest obstacle is that our politics have become based on money rather than ideas. :(
Btw, I voted for Clinton during Bush seniors run for a second term. He was an awful let down from Ronnie. I will stick with the 80's being the best decade by far for me and mine. Took Bush Sr 2 years to begin to let things slide and then well hell the 90's were a sham.
Was so much consumer confidence in the 80's you almost felt as though there was a gold rush mentality going on!
Jedd Corpse
10-07-2008, 11:17 AM
I am so disgusted by the McCain campaign... If Obama is assassinated I put the blame half in the hands of John McCain for running the most disgusting campaign which basically is trying to call Obama a terrorist.
McCain deserves a punch in the face!
Fandros
10-07-2008, 11:20 AM
Awwww going negative with violent wishes there Jedd? ;P
He'll get his when he's at home in 2009, let the people think on their own aslong as they keep it peaceful ;P
Bylimet Spiritwalker
10-07-2008, 08:00 PM
jedd, you must try to find the silver lining in the clouds.....there are people in Arizona who are watching this campaign and seeing what McCain does when he becomes desperate, such as reversing position on the Bush Tax Cuts. I am not seeing his reelection to the Senate being a sure thing anymore.
He may yet end up working alongside Phil Graham.
Jedd Corpse
10-09-2008, 01:29 PM
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DiscW
10-10-2008, 12:08 AM
I figure this (http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=187571&title=back-in-black-negative) fits right in here.
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