Please don't throw your vote away, George W. Bush and John Kerry are both bad choices for leader of the free world. Please use your vote wisely, consider the negative and positive aspects of each candidate, and then make your decision. You are not forced to vote for those two goons, there are other options. I voted out of protest, and most of you know who I voted for. A vote in protest is still a vote, and you are not throwing it away. It might not make a difference this election year, but it might in future elections when they consider the statistics.

Please vote Bush/Cheney '04.


A vote for Bush is a vote for American prosperity. American safety. American Success.

If a person is still 'undecided,' there's something wrong with 'em. Either that or they've been living in a Saddam-style hole.

No one is undecided. They just like getting the extra attention that comes with saying they are.

All those folks who are missing limbs, or dodging bullets, while their families are back at home subsisting on food stamps and handouts due to Bush cutting back on military pay increases, and fretting about how to take care of their medical conditions due to the Bush cuts in veterans health care benefits, can surely testify to the lofty Bush/Cheney Safety - Prosperity - Success ideals.



VOTE McCain :D

But please, just get out and vote for your choice, whoever it is; consider it your duty to repay all the folks who have sacrificed to give you that opportunity.


US Army - Retired (40% disability)
101st Airborne
Phu Bai, RVN 1970

Vote for John Kerry old people, because Bush wants to take away your social security. BOOGA BOOGA!

Everquest players are notorious for living in dark holes! The candidates should be spending more time playing Everquest to attract the hordes.


:)

All those folks who are missing limbs, or dodging bullets, while their families are back at home subsisting on food stamps and handouts due to Bush cutting back on military pay increases, and fretting about how to take care of their medical conditions due to the Bush cuts in veterans health care benefits, can surely testify to the lofty Bush/Cheney Safety - Prosperity - Success ideals.

I'm voting for Bush. I havent had better healthcare ever since joining the military and even after being forced out.
I have gone through Appendectamy, Being blind in one eye(due to Navy injury), knee surgery since getting out, son having emergency surgery and wife being pregnant I am satisfied with my health care. This is all within the last year.


US Navy - Retired

I have gone through Appendectamy, Being blind in one eye(due to Navy injury), knee surgery since getting out, son having emergency surgery and wife being pregnant I am satisfied with my health care. This is all within the last year.

I have nothing to add to this thread because I believe that there is no point in trying to campaign for my candidate on a messageboard...but christ, your life sucks Korlis. Except for that baby thing, congrats on that.

Ya its been a bad year not to mention all the hurricanes here in Orlando also and few other little things :)

Please vote Kerry/Edwards '04.


A protest vote IS a vote wasted...as it is a vote for the status quo...BUSH

A vote for Bush is a vote for the rich getting richer. more of our youth dying. big business over the common man. http://69.50.212.152/images/smilies/tongue.gif

::comfort:: im in Winter Haven i feel your pain.

I must disagree though on healthcare. Being a lower middle class, healthcare is almost a pipe dream for me. With all the other bills i face and other expenses, I find it hard to not misss the money they take weekly out of my paycheck for my healthcare that i still have to pay $20 a office visit for.

But have to agree with above, if you don't vote you give up your rite to bitch about the government at all. So vote even if its for Ralph Nader (no offense to his supporters) just take the time and vote.

Its scary that only like 45% of the population votes

Bylimet what hole have you been living in, we have recieved pay increase across the board almost every year since bush came into office and now have more money for VA hospitals.

Hell just in the short time I've been in even an e-1 makes a few hundred dollars more a month, not to mention NCOs, and Senior NCOs

Haha! I have already gotten four negative comments from this thread. I didn't even use the 'N' word this time. This board is not the first place that I have gotten negative feedback about my presidential choice. Any time that I am asked by my family, friends, and colleagues the big question "Who are you voting for?", I allways get attacked for my response. After they ask me, they then try to convince me that I should be voting for Johny Kerry, or George W. Bush.

I would rather piss away my vote, and it is my right to do just that as an American citizen.

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/bush_gollum.jpg

hehe.

There are a whole bunch of fun pictures here:

Bush (http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbush007.htm)

Kerry (http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blkerrypictures.htm)

Go Nader!

Korlis, I hope you and your family are doing ok, knowing from the effect on friends in Florida just what a bitch those hurricanes were.

Elemak, I have not been living in a hole, and have paid attention to the bills in congress during the Bush tenure regarding the defense budgets, seeing how much he likes to flaunt his "support" of the military. Being that the pay increases effect me, via my retirement check, and the health care cuts effect me, as a disabled veteran, these are areas I pay attention to.

I will not deny my distaste for the Bush/Cheney team, which is only slightly worse than that for the Kerry/Edwards one. I consider Bush to be one of the biggest hypocrites to ever serve in his office. The fact that Cheney as CEO of Halliburton was possibly supporting terrorism via the financial dealings with Iran (one of the Axis of Evil nations) in violation of US and UN sanctions has never been called into question by this super patriot of a president is only one small reason I cannot support him. But that is another matter altogether.

Neither of the main party candidates is worthy of the office in my opinion, but the over riding concern is that we have the right to decide which of them will lead us for the next four years. That is what makes this country what it is, and what allows us to bicker on these boards and share our opinions: the freedom of democracy. I know many will call me a nut for having my opinions, much as I will look askew at some for theirs, but we are free to express them.

Exercise that freedom, and get out there and vote. It is a right, and a responsibility. Like pop always said, "if you are not willing to take a seat at the table, keep your damn mouth shut about the food being served".
(Yeah, it always sounded stupid to me too:p )

Korlis rocks though :) No matter how much your life sucks, you win if you keep up and keep cool.

If there really are any undecided voters out there, there's really just one that that you please, please, please need to do.

Don't vote for someone because someone says you should, or because of something they said, especially on a friggen message board like this. Actually thinking about voting for someone because some biased fool on a message board like this says you should would be so stupid and irresponsible, it is beyond comprehension.

Go look up things on your own, and make your own decision.

"Think for yourself, question authority."


Yes, I know I thats an over-used Bill Hicks/Maynard Keenan quote. It fits perfectly. quiet you!

I voted for Turd Sandwhich. 8(

Heh, you can waste a vote even if you go for Bush or Kerry, depending what state you live in. Voting Democrat in Texas or voting Republican in Massachusettes is just as 'wasted' as voting for Nader in Minnesota. Vote for whomever you please, plain and simple.

If you can vote now, as in tomorrow, than do so. JUST VOTE. Enough is a fucking nuff. No more. Vote for Bush. Vote for Kerry, vote for Mickey friggen Mouse. Just make this shit end so we can have 4 more years of WHATEVER as long is its not a bunch of shitheads spewing lies and dirt 24/7. I am happy with lies and dirt 8/5.

Too many people believe they are one small blade of grass in a vast field. That attitude creates a vast field in itself. A vast wasted field. Unless you are perfectly happy with others making decisions for you, then get off your ass, buy a few stamps and send in your ballot.

I just want it to be over with so I can bitch about my guy not getting in (unless in the unlikely event that Bill Hicks gets voted in posthumously).

I'm an undecided.

For me, it comes down to three major problems.

I'm a registered Libertarian (http://www.lp.org/). I'm aware that Arizona and its 10 electoral votes are probably going to Bush, but, we voted Democratic in 1996, and I think it's going to be close here. Voting for my party helps legitimize the Libertarian party (and other 3rd parties), but not when its too close to call.
I think George W. Bush is, lacking a better description, dishonest. He's the fortunate son of a fortunate son who owes favors to the Saudis and despite the best education money can buy still manages to be, well, dumb. I also think it takes brass balls the size of the great state of Texas to attack someone's service record when you were busy defending Florida from the Viet Cong and snorting coke.
I find John Kerry to be decidedly unpresidential. He was good in debates the way my old history teachers were good in debates. He's not a man of action, but he does play one on TV. I don't find him to be a leader.
So, anyway, I'm undecided. I've got a liar and wimp or a wasted vote on legitimizing my party of choice.

Recent events with my friends have raised the importance of stem cell research on my voting agenda. Perhaps it'll be the swing topic for me.

You just hit the nail on the head for me Pali. I live in Texas and I dont think Bush has done a good job but I dont see Kerry as a good alternative so I havent decieded who to vote for. I may in all likelihood flip a coin on who to vote for while in the booth. This campaign hasnt been about the issues its been about slinging mud at the other guy and wiping off of thier own faces.

Rev

Its more than likely that Bush is going to get a second term. He will get a second term not because he did such an outstanding job or that he is such a great leader, but because the opposing choice was just as piss poor if not worse. People will tend to pick a familiar flavor of shit, when forced with having to eat shit. Now, the greatest thing to gain by voting Bush out of office is the chance to perhaps get a different crop of leadership associated with the Presidency, such as the Vice President, cabinet, joint chiefs and other advisors. Bush did not always compensate for his own stupidity by having advisors that could pick up the slack. Instead he has a band of followers that just carry on with the same song since its the party doctrine and play book that is making the decisions anyway.

Palimax, I can totally respect your desire to further the Libertarian Party, its a difficult decision and I wish you the best of luck with that one. You've always seemed to take the time to figure stuff out, I'm sure you'll be able to make a solid decision. 4 years ago I worked at the Green Party Headquarters (for a whopping $7/hour, I was rich!) and this year I'll be voting for Kerry. When Mr. Nader spoke to me on the phone 5 months ago trying to "rally the troops" and get me to come back to work, it was very difficult to tell him I wouldn't be able to help him this year, and I've had to turn the Green Party down quite a bit as well. Its heartbreaking to a point, I DESPISE party politics -- both Kerry and Bush are simply puppets for their party politics and even if someone such as General Wesley Clark or Arizona's Senator McCain won their parties ticket you have to wonder exactly how much they would have done differently due to party politics.

However, I'm personally voting for Kerry because I feel that it can't get much worse. I have the hope that Kerry will prove the country wrong and truly act as presidential as one could desire. Bush's handling of Sept 11th, Iraq, and No Child Left Behind are outrageous at best, and I don't think another 4 years of this kind of abuse will leave the world or this country in decent shape.

Bylimet what hole have you been living in, we have recieved pay increase across the board almost every year since bush came into office and now have more money for VA hospitals.

Hell just in the short time I've been in even an e-1 makes a few hundred dollars more a month, not to mention NCOs, and Senior NCOs
Yeah and? I was in the Army on Active Duty when Clinton was in office and we got pay raises every year. And oh yeah when I became a snivelling servant working at Winn Army Community Hospital down in good old 3ID land I received the biggest pay raise in history something like a 10k raise to keep up with the rest of the industry. This argument is crap in my opinion.

Commenting on post couple above, I'm not sure that Bush is going to win. I know quite a few people voting for Kerry cause its not Bush.

IMO the "scandal" behind my beloved states voting problems and his brother being gov., were just the start of a presidency that will probably be reviewed as comical and full of blunders.

Clinton wasnt respect cause his "morality" and that I even argue cause what man gets caught cheating and doesnt try to lie first. But Bush comes off as a moron everytime he talks. I wish someone would ask him to spell potato. Feels like Bush is just a puppet.

Think Robin Williams said it best, "Watch how Bush never talks while Chaney is drinking water"

Commenting on post couple above, I'm not sure that Bush is going to win. I know quite a few people voting for Kerry cause its not Bush. Unfortunately, that's a prime reason for a lot of people to vote Kerry. The Dems didn't select a very good candidate, but a C beats an F. At least it'll be over soon (and then the recounts, challenged voter votes and fraud allegations get to dominate for a while followed by an entertaining mess if no candidate hits 270 votes).

Vote for Bush, or else the terrorist wolfs will come and eat your children whilst they sleep !!

I have a tenner on Bush, clear fauvorite according to the bookies, and they tend to get this things right =p

http://www.willhill.com/iibs/EN/buildcoupon.asp?couponchoice=PO407741

Many people over here see Kerry as a sort of anti-Bush who is going to save the world from the madness of neo-conservatism. I disagree. They both feed from the same plate, they are the same product with different package.

I think it will be better if Bush wins again. In four years time the Democrats can come forward stronger with a better candidate, greater legitimacy than if they were to win now under the "We are not Bush" banner, and then the possibility of creating a more progressive "Liberal" Government might exist.

Remember, Britain had to endure more than a decade of Thatcherist right wing rule before finally being reborn as the Social Democratic country it is today.

They must be shown the fires of Hell before being allowed through the gates of Heaven.

Did I mention I have a tenner on Bush??

I think it will be better if Bush wins again. In four years time the Democrats can come forward stronger with a better candidate, greater legitimacy than if they were to win now under the "We are not Bush" banner, and then the possibility of creating a more progressive "Liberal" Government might exist.

Remember, Britain had to endure more than a decade of Thatcherist right wing rule before finally being reborn as the Social Democratic country it is today.

They must be shown the fires of Hell before being allowed through the gates of Heaven.

That would indeed be the one upside of Bush getting re-elected. If he doesn't cause world war 3 in the meantime that is. Now I just need to go look up what Thatcherist is.

And here's an interesting tidbit about the election:

Since 1936, whenever the Redskins have lost a home game right before the presidential election, the incumbent also has lost.

The Redskins are playing the Packers at home on Sunday.

Thatcherist right wing rule = The Margaret Thatcher Prime Ministry during the Reagan years.

Thats just creepy statistic.....

In all honesty if Kerry win it's still not going to make a HUGE difference. Congress is still Republican controlled and things will just slow down and not be uncontested as they have been the last 4 years. 1st step is getting Bush out, next step is to get all the damn Congressmen out and replaced.

Can't wait for Jeb Bush to get voted out....