So I log on to finish a few quests in EQ2 after work and this is what I see after about 15 minutes of running around.

Jamlamin tells you,'Greetings Krakur. GM Jamalin here. Do you have a moment?'
You tell Jamlamin,'Yeah, What can I help ya with?'
Jamlamin tells you,'Your name is in violation of the naming policy. You need to have it changed. Do you have another name in mind?'
You tell Jamlamin,'uhmm.. It's been my EQ1 name for over two years, and GM's havent said anything, or wanted to change it... but, what about Tumtum... or Chubly.
Jamlamin tells you,'your name may have been granfathered in EQ1'
Jamlamin tells you,'It sounds like a racial slur to me'
You tell Jamlamin,'Good for you, that's your opinion. Thats not what it's intended to be nor how I got it. But thanks for caring. I know my name causes so many people stress at night knowing OMG THERES A GUY NAMED KRAKUR, I AM SO OFFENDED. Seriously, be more anal, please?
Jamlamin tells you,'do you have another name in mind?'
You tell Jamlamin,'either Tumtum or Chubly if they're not in violation of your "naming policy".'
Jamlamin tells you,'Tumtum is in violation, it's a city in washington. Chubly is also in violation.'
You tell Jamlamin,'Ok, so people can run around with names like Wtfarat, Lolarat, Omgarat, Pwnedly, Newbslaya, etc, and I get harped on for this bullshit after I've been a PAYING customer for 4 years? gimme a fuckin break.'
Jamlamin tells you,'You can always petition names as you find them.'
You tell Jamlamin,'Yeah, but unlike some, I don't give a shit what people have their names as. If you want to take my name as a racial slur, then that's your problem, not mine. Too many tight ass politically correct bitches with sticks up their ass playing your game? that it?'
Jamlamin tells you,'Do you have any other names in mind?'
You tell Jamlamin,'Sykon, or is that in violation too? Because of the Syko = Psycho part???'

<5 minutes of silence>

/who 14 crusader
[14 Crusader] Sykon (Troll)

Who really knows what the criteria is for their naming policy. Mostly its just GMs who have nothing better to do than what they should be doing by answering petitions and masturbating to the porn on the other monitor. Its pretty much like the cop that pulls you over for not having your seatbelt on, who drove past 5 drug dealers, countless pimps and hookers, a few murders and armed robberies on top of 2 or 3 fatal car wrecks in order to PULL YOU OVER for a 100 dollar ticket.

What if your name was Krakurs and your surname was Ncheeze? Does a letter "s" change it from a racial slur to a non-racial? Or should they just ban all names that are a food reference?

My name is actually wrong by the "naming policy". I played under the name of Lummus (http://www.lummus-supply.com/), for 5+ years, which is a lumber yard in Atlanta. I had an invoice of theirs on my desk when I created my first EQ character and looked around my desk for name inspiration. I also had an ashtray, a pack of Camel Lights, a few empty Newcastle bottles, some loose change and some pocket lint. Lummus was the first that took. So, HAHA SoE! Bite my bag! I got one past you clowns.

Just goes to show you that the people they hire,are nothing more than your everyday average moron with a thing for pushing the letter of stupidity. :D

Why not just petetion their names and state how offensive it is to see a name like theirs running around and making you feel uneased about it. ;)

Hell i would do it just to piss them off.:devil

That's utter bullshit. Reason enough not to play EQ2 for me.

My name is actually wrong by the "naming policy". I played under the name of Lummus (http://www.lummus-supply.com/), for 5+ years, which is a lumber yard in Atlanta. I had an invoice of theirs on my desk when I created my first EQ character and looked around my desk for name inspiration. I also had an ashtray, a pack of Camel Lights, a few empty Newcastle bottles, some loose change and some pocket lint. Lummus was the first that took. So, HAHA SoE! Bite my bag! I got one past you clowns.
If Gokuu used your naming methods, his name would have been Gay Porn, Vibrator, Anal Bead, Vaseline, or Talid's Penis.

(Inc Sandbox)

Try appealing it. If one thing in this game is a constant its that decisions between GM's have almost no consistancy. I have had this happen to me. I had a matter go all the way up turned down by the lead GM and still somehow I got what I wanted.

Good luck either way. GM's are either castrated or just plain stupid.

I'm not one to say anything, but I think that GM is nitpicking and worrying about trivial things. Unless there are serious, serious complaints about your name, it should not have been changed. If this is the way their support/customer care center operates, you can be certain this is only but a taste of the GM "service" future players of EverQuest II will encounter.

I hope they ban you asshole.


<3

One less person with a stupid name, is that supposed to be a bad thing?.

The only problem I see is if they aren't enforcing it enough (and with the examples you give, it sounds like it). And I bet you being a total asshole to the GM definetly helped your situation.

If there is a set naming policy, I don't see any right to complain when a name which violates that policy is changed. Is there one for EQ2 yet? Are they just using EQ1's?

Sorta reminds me of when Blizzard released their planned naming policy for WoW, and all the bnet kiddies went apeshit because their characters couldn't be named 'WTFhax0rz874" or "OrcMasterJuggulo."

It's more of a flaw in the way they handle petitions than anything. A gm doesn't just randomly come across someone with a name and remove it. It's either petitioned or /reported. My bet is (that was the case with my surname in EQ1, Asslingbane) that some little bitch that can't get back at me, for whatever I did to them, be it kill all the mobs in an area, or gank a named from them, petition to have my name changed/removed, because they are chicken shit little bitches and have no way to "fight back" other than the petitioning of my name.

It's all fine though. As soon as the servers get character wiped when it "goes live" I'll be back as Krakur again, until some punk ass bitch petitions the name because their panties are soaking because they camped El Capitan De Fagmob for 4 hours and stayed home from school just to make sure they got him, and I came by and randomly ganked him.

As for my name actually violating the policy; bullshit. Anyone can twist anything to make it mean whatever they want. Take Immort for example.

In my native county Immort is a sacred word that can only be used to describe shitbags like Amplifyre. There. I now have created grounds to petition a persons name and have it changed because I'm a big soaking pussy and can't suck it up and deal with him having that name.

I'm curious to know if white people are called "crackers" in other countries as well? Or do they base their naming policy just on "american" slang?

Oh, I guess they have to rename their Assassin profession too, because it has ASS in it! TWICE! I AM SO OFFENDED.

As for being an asshole to the GM. So fucking what? I deal with dipshit customers every day at work. Guess what? I have to listen to them bitch, piss, moan, threaten to not pay their invoice, blah deee fucking blah. And guess what? They always get what they want, or at least, when a compromise is made, the better end of the deal. I don't get paid to play the game. I pay to play the game. I am the customer. If they're going to take one side of it and then not listen to my side no matter what (which by the way, there is no changing a Gms mind, on anything) then they deserve an earful and then some.

<more to come>

If someone petitions i'm totally toast.

oh, and white people aren't called crackers here.

You're a troll right? That just looks like a troll name to me :(

I really could care less about wether or not something is racial slang, you have a point there. I just figure names should actually be words that are, ya know... names, or at least sound like names. Not a misspelling of a tasty treat. It's like someone named Crispee Creem.

As for being an asshole to the GM. So fucking what? I deal with dipshit customers every day at work. Guess what? I have to listen to them bitch, piss, moan, threaten to not pay their invoice, blah deee fucking blah. And guess what? They always get what they want, or at least, when a compromise is made, the better end of the deal. I don't get paid to play the game. I pay to play the game. I am the customer. If they're going to take one side of it and then not listen to my side no matter what (which by the way, there is no changing a Gms mind, on anything) then they deserve an earful and then some.

It's a free beta. Once you begin paying for it, then maybe you'll have something that resembles a point. Plus I don't see how people being assholes to you at work, and you being an asshole to someone who has nothing to do with your work is related.

And since they do seem to have a naming policy, I don't see how your 'side' even matters. The only thing you could bring up would be arguing wether or not it breaks the policy, and you didn't, you just went straight to being a smartass.

What I don't understand is why the GM didn't warn you for the language you used in the conversation with him. One would think the GM would have at least asked you to refrain from swearing on a game that is apparently more conservative than its predecessor. I say this because my first EQ name was CamelToeJoe and I was warned for telling the pug it was a "bullshit" policy.

It's all fine though. As soon as the servers get character wiped when it "goes live" I'll be back as Krakur again, until some punk ass bitch petitions the name because their panties are soaking because they camped El Capitan De Fagmob for 4 hours and stayed home from school just to make sure they got him, and I came by and randomly ganked him.

Maybe if you weren't such an asshole, you wouldn't get people petitioning your name?

It's a free beta. Once you begin paying for it, then maybe you'll have something that resembles a point.
I've been a paying customer for 4 years. Just because the product changes, doesn't make me not a customer anymore. Hell, I've *tried* to get companies to realize I want *nothing* to do with them, and they still send me mail saying I'm a "valuable" customer.

As for warning me... he probably just put a warning flag on my account. I don't know if they're required or not to tell you that they are, though.

Plus I don't see how people being assholes to you at work, and you being an asshole to someone who has nothing to do with your work is related.
It's not the me being an asshole part of it. It's the fact that the customer usually gets what they want. In this case, whomever petitioned my name got what they wanted. They are a customer, and so am I. Who gets to pick and choose which side they take is my question? When will they listen to customer A and not customer B? The guy obviously wasn't going to listen to my side of things, so I went into asshole mode.

I would expect the same from any customer that contacted me and I told them nope sorry you're wrong I'm not going to listen to your side, la la la. I would expect them to tear me a new one.

1> He's a paying customer like you are. :D

2> The GM didn't approach him in a buisness like maner in a negitive way.

3> The GM got what was coming to him from the paying customer,to bad it was an ass chewing. ;)

4> It does has a relation to this from his line of work like any line of work that deals with people that bitch/whine/nag/gripe about something that doesn't fit their need to what they want.

5> He dealt with it the way he felt was best.I see nothing wrong with it,and i would have done the same and then some.just because i'm an asshole. :eek:

Basicly....the GM was being a little anal about it and not dealing with it in a way that should have been,the in-your-face approach doesn't work right all the time and got his or her ass bit in response.:eek:

I love how the gimps come crawling out of the woodwork to defend such an asinine GM move.

Wait until it's your name being removed for being "offensive".

And trust me, now-a-days ANYONE can make ANYTHING seem offensive.

As a recovering alcoholic I find Marz's name offensive. Any chance a Mod can make him change it please...it makes me want to drink. :eek:


Thanks in advance for your help

Rigin

Muhaha!

*shoves a vodka bottle in Rigin's mouth*

Take your medicine you lush!

i did have a toon called mindforce fcuk
took them 3 weeks to ban my surname :D
i did try to tell them it was a uk brand name as common as CKlein
but they didnt want to know :D
i had no complaints from players
Most thought it was funny

Zorros

somwhere I have an old screenshot of my woodelf warrior "Heywood Jablowme"
I ran around until level 30 when they removed my name, course several GMs had seen my name, and just laughed. Then I got that one anal retentive fuck.

We had a Nuttless Sac in our guild (Troll SK, female) who made it to level 46 before some gnome got his panties in a twist while we were standing on the porter to DL about a year and a half ago (on our way to camp pearl shards for one of our clerics, if I remember right). He started screaming: "I'm standing next to a nutless sack, is there no humanity anymore?" and shortly after that a GM showed up and made her change her name...

Oh course, this gal also had a Hemorrhoids and a Diapers (Human paladin) for toon names on her alts, so it's not like she didn't know what was coming ;).

Regards,
Nydia

I am clueless, what does krakur mean and why is it offensive? Google didn't return anything meaningful.(English as a third language)

Krakur as it is mean's nothing. It looks and sounds like a troll or ogre name to me, and that's why I picked it.

If you want to be anal and turn it into something offensive*, it would translate like this:

Krakur -> Cracker -> Slang term for a white person

* I don't find the word "cracker" offensive at all. That's just me, though. I guess I can't goto the store and ask the clerk if crackers are on sale, because then I would be implying I want to buy white people... I guess I can't goto the doctor and say I have a chigger bite, because that sounds too much like nigger. Nope. Can't do any of that. MUST. BE. ANAL.

Seriously. Who would want to buy white people, anyway? They're so lazy, and hard to motivate. I always deal in Mexicans myself.

These nazis are definitely not the cuddly kind from the World War 2 era...

Shut up Talid, you communist.

My alt's name is Megahappy Bubblehugs. How is that offensive? :(((

I used to have a lot of names and played a game called "AGGRO THE GM" and i would log that toon on and send the GM a tell and ask them if they had a problem with the name or come and get me or something stupid just to see if they would get off their lazy asses and do it. :p

Some names we're like "Skankorshits" "Hershysquirts" "Flappysack"..... :D

But my best one was "Obieonehanglowbe"...that lasted for a month untill they decided to threaten me by shuting down my account. :(

All in all...names can be offinsive or funny,sheeeeit...some people just don't have a funnybone in their body at all. :(

I would expect the same from any customer that contacted me and I told them nope sorry you're wrong I'm not going to listen to your side, la la la.

And where did the GM do that? Are you leaving one of his tells out or something? You started acting like a smartass before you even let the GM explain. And once he did, you insulted him.

Lets imagine that he did though, what would you have told him?

The word cracker doesn't offend you. Ok. Thats nice. But it's not related at all. The fact is, cracker is a very common racial slur in the United States, where the game is made. Give a list of the most used ones, and it's in there. Am I offended by it at all? Nope. But even the gm didn't mention anything about it being offensive, that's not the problem. Here's the problem:

1. "Vile, profane, rude, or racist names including common swear words, anatomical references, racial slurs, and homonyms of these words." (http://eqlive.station.sony.com/support/customer_service/cs_naming_policy.jsp)
"For all of the above, misspellings and alternative spellings of the word or words are also unacceptable."

Your name is a misspelling of the word cracker. Did you do it on purpose? Nope. But it still breaks the rules. It's not being anal, it's a fact. Next time, read the rules before you make a name you're going to use for 2 years.

Really though, out of all of this, the whole name thing isn't a big deal. What gets to me is that you said you've been playing for 4 years, and yet you didn't expect this? That a gm in a SoE game wasn't nice to you? Have you just been totally ignoring everything this company has done since you started playing? (http://penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2004-08-25&res=l)

Jamlamin was nicer in that quote you gave us then many of the GM's I met in EQ1.

I remember when they made me change my guide name from Nigel because it was too close to nigger. 13 minutes later I quit the guide program and went and gave my ogre warrior Milkrat the surname Hugeass. That's stickin' it to the man.

On the other hand, have yet to have a GM come and change my name in WoW from Calacirya. Guess obscure Tolkien geographic locations don't count as being against the naming policies.

my favorite, I had created a newb iksar and just smacked the random name generator and logged in...

two seconds later :This is GM Soandso you need to delete your character and create a new one
You tell GMsoandso: Whats my name anyways....
I look up
Sukazzes...
Of the random name generator! its their own damn fault!

The policy is good. It's enforcement and judgement of that policy that is piss poor. I knew right from the get go he wasn't going to listen to what I had to say, so, as I stated earlier, I went into asshole mode.

Had I not gone into asshole mode and explained my name, I'm 100% sure he would have said "but but it still violates the policy" and still made me choose a new one. That's fine. If they're prepared to lose customers over petty issues as this, that's their choice.

Now in his defense, he has a job to do. Enforce policy is one of them. However, they need to use MUCH better judgement when doing so. This doesn't go just for naming policies, it goes for all policies in general.

Refer to:

http://www.darkenbane.com/archive.php?id=395

http://thedruidsgrove.org/forums/showthread.php?t=6957&page=2

Now at his advice, I was petitioning names I found that violated the policy.

Azrael: A cat in Freeport. -> Religious reference -> Petitioned.
Buccio: A dog in Freeport. -> Name of a clothing company -> Petitioned.
Master Smith Buccio (I think?) in Freeport. -> See previous
Bouncer Flotsam & Bouncer Jetsam. -> Name of a band -> Petitioned.

These were found within about 5 minutes of actually looking. Do I actually care that these are named the way they are? Nope. But they violate the naming policy all the same. In my petition I asked to speak with Jamlamin to discuss these names and to discuss the policy (to get a better understanding of how they determine what violates policy, and what doesn't) but have yet to get a reply.

I'm sure if I went through all the names in the game that violated their own policy and petitioned all of them, they'll either change the policy to read it only affects player characters, or just ban my account rather than be forced to change the names of NPCs in the game and delay it. I'm sure the devs have much better things to be doing, like fixing broken quests. HINT. HINT.

Take for example, Azrael. Let's say they go in and change it to Arzael. I can be anal about it and take it two ways. One: If I pronounce it out loud it sounds like Ars Ale, which, if you reverse the two words, is already copyrighted by someone else. Or, I could point out that if you reverse the two letters, it becomes Azrael and is, again, in violation of the naming policy.

But, let's face it, nobody even notices or cares about the names of NPCs in the game, as long as they get their ub0r l33t l00ts y0!1.

Summary: GMs like anal. 14 year olds who stay home from school to get loot off a mob and petition your name when you kill it after it attacks you (MIND YOU, I DIDNT SEE ANYONE NEAR THE GOD DAMN CAMP TO BEGIN WITH) are really off better killing themselves than trying to make something of themselves in life.

Personally, if I was denied Vhex, Zehn, Calacirya and 8 or 9 of my other names, I'd just come up with more. It's really not worth arguing with GM's. I mean, let's face it, these guys don't really give a shit. They're like the kids who work at McDonalds. You think they actually give a shit whether or not you like your burger?

If you're really adamant about keeping your name, wait until it gets nerfed in retail, then start barking up the customer service tree. Petition daily, email all the avenues, call, etc...etc...eventually they'll just give in just to shut you up.

Summary: GMs like anal. 14 year olds who stay home from school to get loot off a mob and petition your name when you kill it after it attacks you (MIND YOU, I DIDNT SEE ANYONE NEAR THE GOD DAMN CAMP TO BEGIN WITH) are really off better killing themselves than trying to make something of themselves in life.

Agreed.

ThePerfectFlaw.... you were Nigel???


<chuckle> I remember that name....


I'm no longer in the guide program and have not been for some time... but I do remember reading some interesting posts from you. I was Tzakis on Prexus.

As a guide... yeah, you met some GM's who were VERY anal about names and some just didn't care one way or the other. You just dealt with it and went about your business of trying to settle disputes over who had the derv camp first. <sigh>

Azrael was the name of Gargamel's cat from The Smurfs. Considering that the its a reference to a cartoon that has licensed, toys, its a bigger violation than any Biblical reference. The Bible pretty much is fair game.

Flotsam and Jettsam: Yes, they were a band, but it also means the floating wreckage of a ship and discarded cargo. Maybe that makes sense for a port city, but its pretty much as unimaginative as Mort and Gage, the bankers from Thurgadin.

SoE are uncreative pieces of crap when it comes to names. They will allow 1000 wood and half elves with some slightly altered version of Legolas and countless Dark Elves with some version of Drizzt, and yet anything that might reference some remote possibility of a slur gets nuked. Your name was really REALLY stretching it, so you just happened to get an asshole GM who woke up and said to himself:

"Who can I fuck with today because I can!"

With all the stupid, moronic and idiotic names in the game, they choose to pick on that one? OMFG..we could make a list here a mile long I'm sure of far worse. I could lay money on the fact that the GM and most likely those that petitioned the name have no idea even the true history behind the slang. Guess SoE is too busy looking for such trivial things to nitpick on rather then fix and improve EQ.

Sukazzes...What is wrong with this name? I don't get it.

If you think about it,RACIAL means to hate a race right?.....are they reffering to the game or people in real life in general? If so,your being racial should be negated.

To be racial is to hate ones race......you shouldn't even be on the game socializing with other people being that your a RACIAL person.

You should be in a cave by the beach on the coast or on a mountain top staying far away from people as possible being that you hate people,because your racial,to be a hermit.

When you think about it....the name krakur is close to cracker,then it is close if not in refferance to a white person which would be a color....is color a race? I thought HUMAN was a race,like a tree is a plant a dog is a animal...several races there....but color?

I never saw human on the color wheel when i was in painting advance II in high school,only white and beige....nor did i see white in the biology book there as well,only human and male female and such...but no white black yellow etc.etc.etc....

How could that word be a racial slur?...oh yeah...the SLANG term...as in stupid people language,which was used for so long that words have more than one meaning now,no wonder english is a hard language to learn,the constant change in the words makes it so dam hard to understand what people are trying to say to one another now that makes communication a extreme task to perform these days,even for us that know english find it hard now.

I can see that the word was done in a prejudice way that meant for the color term to kick in and take effect. But that's just the terms and policy of being prejudice...only hate someone or something for it is only that...hate...you can hate a color you can hate a animal or animals or hate a specific tree in the woods somewhere in north dakoda or hate the toilet that left a mark on your ass from a truckstop somewhere...but you can't just can't be racial to one type of people and not be racial towards others,you have to be racial to all people,but that's just MHO.

If you think about it,RACIAL means to hate a race right?.....are they reffering to the game or people in real life in general? If so,your being racial should be negated."Racial" means of or regarding race. It is sometimes used (incorrectly) to denote someone who is bigoted or prejudiced.

How can the GM or anyone else know for sure if he meant it towards in the form of prejudice and not just out of humor or being a bigot? Did he add emphasis with it to show he meant it towards that line of hate? :confused:

How can the GM or anyone else know for sure if he meant it towards in the form of prejudice and not just out of humor or being a bigot? Did he add emphasis with it to show he meant it towards that line of hate?They can't. Nor do they really have to. They can interpret the policy to mean pretty much anything they like.

I wouldn't be so annoyed if I hadn't spent two years with this identity, with numerous encounters with our GMs on Ayonae Ro who said nothing about my name being racially offensive, except in the case when (admittedly, i wasn't paying attention when I made the surname..) my full name was Krakur Killur. I didn't think about the racist aspect of it until the GM spoke to me and it dawned on me .. Krakur... white... Killur... Killer... White Killer.. doh. I threw my tantrum about that, but it went away and I got a new surname. (Mind you, I've had about 6 surnames removed by GMs prior to that one)

I've created the identity of Krakur. I've played under that identity for two years, and now, all of a sudden, I can't anymore? Bleh.

I log on an alt in EQ and join my friends channels, and no matter which character name I'm on, I'm called Krakur, or, as some like to refer to me, Asskrak. Taking away *my* name is a huge problem for me, and I'm sure it would be for other people if it were to happen to them.

This whole fiasco reminds me of back in grade school when we were working on our first websites using Netscape. (Background info: This school is severly fucked up and any child who goes to it has no chance at having a normal life.) Anyway, a classmate made a mystery story about Skippy Peanut Butter. It was their favorite kind, and it had gone missing, so they had a story about how they found the culprit. Their website was published, and a couple of days later, the school had a lawsuit coming from 70 year old lady claiming her father coined the term "Skippy Peanut Butter" and she demanded she be payed for use of the name in the story written by a 7th grader. She didn't care that the kids favorite kind of peanut butter was in the story, or that they weren't using it to advertise anything, she just wanted money. Well, instead of paying this evil bitch anything, the school and the author of the story rewrote the name to Skip's Peanut Butter mystery, and she again, tried to sue on grounds that it violated her fathers copyright. The case was thrown out, the old lady was pissed, and everyone else was just laughing at her sorry ass. Ah, good times.

Anywho.

I still plan on playing the game, and as Zehn has mentioned, I plan on petitioning the living shit out of them if they make me change it again. I wont go quietly when I believe I am in the right in this case. I will keep beating the horse until my arms fall off if need be. :)

If only I had quick wits, I would have mentioned to him that I'm sure blizzard wouldn't have changed my name :D

I was at work and thought about....

BAD KRAKUR BOOBAD!!!:mad:

You made fun of a GM,you didn't know his parents we're saltine biscuts huh?

I bet you any amount of money his name in real life is Ritz. :eek:

*shaking a finger of shame at krakur* shame shame shame. :p

Ya they removed Likmuh Azjuwz I was so sad

I did not read the five pages of thread on this.
But what if I said I do not know how they thought your name was a racial slur.
Got me on that one. :eek:

/petition Starrla 's name is condescending to Jews. and as a Jew I find it offensive. Please make her change it!

OH GEEZ..don't make me cry! :(

I love you starrla =) I really do =) ROCK ON IO ! (could this be a hint as to who this is)

There were ALOT in IO!! Jeepers! Give me a hint? lol

I can't do that ! Ananimity! I still paly the same toon though....follow the hints...

Bleh!

BLEH yourself ! Now come dirty dance on my loins

Woot I started out promising ! Thanks Fil