Nothing to see here, people. Move along...ya bunch a lookie lous

I'd like to know what the reasoning was for the deletion of my post in this thread here:http://forums.ayonae.ro/showthread.php?t=5988

Kelraz Bladesinger
This message has been deleted by Sanchek. Reason: No.

Added to the fact that I got negative reputation on that post from Sanchek, all I asked was that I could see a copy of this signature. I don't dislike Fandros, in fact I like him a lot, and if the signature was out of line I'd definately be one to say so -- but I just asked to see a copy. That CLEARLY wasn't against the board rules.

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Ayonae Ro mods are cool.

Rmemeber when they used to be fun and interesting?

Rmemeber when they used to be fun and interesting?
Nope.

:devil

It was probably to prevent more people from asking to see it blah blah blah Kelraz.

Ah yes, finally we are banning people for humor. Do we have an ARo gas chamber yet?

I'm pretty certain we have a policy against using RL information to mock people. Or something to that effect. Along the lines of, "It's okay to laugh with someone, but not laugh at them because of RL stuff."

It was blatent harrassment Kein, so you can drop the " oh my god we are so opressed" routine.

If it's illegal to make fun of someone using RL information, why has Fandros been permitted to play the age card so many times in the past?

I think it is because you forgot to take your diarrhea medicine, Ryan.

I stopped trying to medicate it and just moved to tar.

Please, I don't feel oppressed! I hate it when people are funny. God knows Fandros never posted every time Maylen did, saying things like 'l'il boy' and 'yer an idiot' and other phrases straight from the Hicktionary.

Real life names are illegal, denim dan :(
God damn you people are fucking retarded, you should kill yourself for making an issue about something like that.

You should shut your mouth, Christopher. Before I shut it for you OVERTHEINTERNET

I stopped trying to medicate it and just moved to tar.
Google search for 'Tar' and 'Diarrhea'

"Over-the-counter remedies to stop diarrhea are not recommended. Let Nature take her course and rid the body of the toxins that caused the problem; many doctors recommend doing nothing for 6 to 12 hours, then begin antidiarrheal remedies. However, if the diarrhea persists for two or three days, looks like black tar or there is blood in the stool, or if you have a fever, see your doctor."

looks like black tar.....::looks up doctors number::

Not to put a serious note on a thread that's already going downhill fast, but I'm a fan of keeping our personal lives out of these discussions except when it's germane to the topic. [e.g. It'd be appropriate to mention someone's age when they were discussing if they voted in the last election.] Similarly, it'd be inappropriate for someone to mention our personal lives when discussing something NOT on topic.

Making a good point in an obviously sandbox'd thread? You should know better!

It went too far. Pulling in the RL photo was excessive harassment. If we were going to let you guys perpetuate the thing on the boards, we wouldn't have banned Maylen for it in the first place.

I know some of you have nothing better to do than trade it around and giggle like school girls that just saw their first penis, but you won't be using the boards to do it.

theres a big difference between makign reference to somoenes age and putting up a doctored version of someones real life picture.

Because those glasses really detracted from his rugged manly features.

Doesn't matter. We have a zero-tolerance policy against harassment. If we even get a whiff of something remotely resembling real life prosecution and the victim in question wishes it, it's a go straight to jail, do not pass go and do not collect 200 dollars.

This will not change. Ever.

Being a Mod of the boards is like being a guild officer in EQ.... pretty much a thankless job that people love to complain about.

How much do we pay them again?

I have no issues with the moderators so I guess I'm biased.

....We have a zero-tolerance policy against harassment....
This will not change. Ever.
So if we put up some examples of some you may have missed, you will quickly ban them correct, due to you not being able to read every thread?

*edit* Err... nm. There's already a thread explaining this stuff.

http://forums.ayonae.ro/showthread.php?t=5988

You're welcome to post, pm or email any harassment complaints to any representative of the staff here, Greystone. We take such accusations quite seriously.

Missed the sig but by all reports it crossed the line.

It goes along with the /tells to me and other EW folks harassing them.

Fandros

What about when the admins hand out IP's of posters to guild officers/leaders?

Fazin, in the past we have given out IP addresses to some guildleaders to confirm unwarranted access to their guild servers. This is a practice under review. It is likely that we will continue to do this, and we will amend the Privacy Policy as well as making a public announcement about this addition should we reach a decision. However, your information will never be released to the public at large. It may only be released on limited circumstances should there be credible evidence that shows you are the perpetrator of a hacking, harassment, hate crime, or misconduct. If you violate a federal law for harassment or you create a threat, your IP address may be released to law enforcement or a website owner for further investigation and/or protective measures (such as IP blocks).

Anyone who receives any identifiable information from us will pledge privacy; they must promise that they won't use that information as a means to publicly crucify that user, nor will they use it to harass that user. It would defeat the purpose for providing information to other guilds, and furthermore, would constitute as harassment (such violations would force us to discontinue this practice to all guilds). Any changes to the system are ex post facto.

We have a zero-tolerance policy against harassment.

For someone who lives in Sweden, you sure do talk a perty American.

Fazin, in the past we have given out IP addresses to some guildleaders to confirm unwarranted access to their guild servers. This is a practice under review. It is likely that we will continue to do this, and we will amend the Privacy Policy as well as making a public announcement about this addition should we reach a decision. However, your information will never be released to the public at large. It may only be released on limited circumstances should there be credible evidence that shows you are the perpetrator of a hacking, harassment, hate crime, or misconduct. If you violate a federal law for harassment or you create a threat, your IP address may be released to law enforcement or a website owner for further investigation and/or protective measures (such as IP blocks).

Anyone who receives any identifiable information from us will pledge privacy; they must promise that they won't use that information as a means to publicly crucify that user, nor will they use it to harass that user. It would defeat the purpose for providing information to other guilds, and furthermore, would constitute as harassment (such violations would force us to discontinue this practice to all guilds). Any changes to the system are ex post facto.
I think power has gone to the Moderator's heads. In a big way.

1. Until you amend the privacy policy, this is unacceptable behavior to give IPs to other guilds. Even then, I have significant issues with it.

2. Federal Government - yeah, whatever.

3. "Anyone who receives any identificable information from us will pledge privacy" - sounds like blackmail. I'll tell you this information if you promise not to tattle on us! And I'm sure that the folks who find out the secret, never share it with their guild officers or members. I'm positive. No, really.

Get over yourselves. This is a fucking game. Next you're going to come up with a mission statement for the boards themselves. People need to at least feel an illusion of privacy - and that's gone with the above statement. Half the reason people play these online games is for escapism - they can be someone in a game who they aren't in real life, and have a degree of anonymity to it.

Moderators are not prosecutor, judge and jury. Your ability to hand out private information based on your perception of "wrong behavior" to other guilds under the suspicion of "confirm(ing) unwarranted access to their guild servers" crosses the line. You have no oversight, no checks and balances, and no ability to communicate to the server population of when you do and don't do it - who's policing the police? If a guild has a problem with the cracking of their forums, they should use better forum software, and report it to SOE - not to some biased moderators of a message board.

It may only be released on limited circumstances should there be credible evidence that shows you are the perpetrator of a hacking, harassment, hate crime, or misconduct.

...

Half the reason people play these online games is for escapism - they can be someone in a game who they aren't in real life, and have a degree of anonymity to it.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with playing a game where you take over a persona of someone that you are not in order to have a more enjoyable gaming experience...however if taking on that persona means that you participate in illegal hacking of guild moderated sites, harrasment, hate crimes or other forms of misconduct that has been outlined as not allowed per the rules of this forum... you will then be subject to action as outlined in the above policy. If you dont like it, then dont come to the Aro forums.

It's not rocket science. Dont be a fucking jackass and the policy doesnt even apply to you.


Thanks, drive thru please.

I'm talking about instances where IP's are handed out just because someone asked for it. The end result was just to place a ban on someone on their own boards. So you may want to check:

It may only be released on limited circumstances should there be credible evidence that shows you are the perpetrator of a hacking, harassment, hate crime, or misconduct.

The policy I've been following is to only give IPs to a guild leader or site administrator, and only if they give me a good reason why they need them. Examples would be if they have reason to believe someone is viewing their board through a compromised account, or if they think one of our "anon" posters is actually one of their members and need to compare IPs. I definitely don't just give them out to anyone that asks for any reason.

This will be laid out in better detail when the revised FAQ goes up.

Far as I can recall, I've only given out two ever.

In summary, what Immortalis said. It shouldn't matter unless you're up to no good in the first place. If you're worried about people knowing your IP address, your first mistake was visiting any web site anywhere ever.

Sounds like a good policy to me so long as some random joe blow isn't privvy to our info without a good reason. I'm all for enforcing idiots who hack and go anon but w/in reason :)

Moderators are not prosecutor, judge and jury. Your ability to hand out private information based on your perception of "wrong behavior" to other guilds under the suspicion of "confirm(ing) unwarranted access to their guild servers" crosses the line. You have no oversight, no checks and balances, and no ability to communicate to the server population of when you do and don't do it - who's policing the police? If a guild has a problem with the cracking of their forums, they should use better forum software, and report it to SOE - not to some biased moderators of a message board.
This is a private board, run as a community service. As users, we are at the mercy of the owner. The ability of them to get IP addresses isn't any different from posting to any other internet message board, a Livejournal or (in some cases) sending an email to someone.

I really don't like having to say this, but: These are Rybit's boards. On Rybit's server. Run by Rybit's moderators. His show, if you don't like it, go somewhere else- because if he wanted to, he could just ban anyone for any reason at all, with no explanation and we'd just have to deal with it.

Lets clarify something. It's never "hacking" according to traditional definition, it's usually stupidity through weak passwords, or inept people. In most cases I've seen, it's been the latter.

I like how when I bring this up, the response is "oh yeah, we do that, we'll add it to our policy". Reactive much?

Anyway. If anyone wants to know how to post anonymously here, just let me know. You have the right after all, you just come here to partake in a community.

Listen, I have always been strongly opposed to the giving out of IP addresses, but if we are subpoenaed either through litigation or through a search warrant, we are required by U.S. law to submit requested information.

As I have said, we have not given out any IPs since we have left ezboard. We have followed the Privacy Policy as much as we can since its posting. We will not give IPs unless required by law, and any such changes will be made by means of public announcement.

If you don't like to go to these boards, you are always welcome to go to the official Sony boards (which do not offer as much liberty as we do with posting, such as NAG or the Sandbox). This is run as an independent, private community. If you don't like it, no one is stopping you from leaving. You can run your own site to see if it's any easier. Just don't let the door hit you on the way out.

As I have said, we have not given out any IPs since we have left ezboard. We have followed the Privacy Policy as much as we can since its posting. We will not give IPs unless required by law, and any such changes will be made by means of public announcement.

You may want to double-check with your fellow admins before claiming that.

Actually, he is right. Since the privacy policy was posted, none have been given out at all.

Anyway, closing this until we update the FAQ.

Love the threats of teaching people how to use proxy servers BTW. That's just a lovely addition the the community, you propose. Read less SZ boards.