I am REALLY getting tired of the rights relentless charges of "Moonbat" or Crazy to people on the left. One reading of The Free Republic forums should clue people onto that.
Lately however, they are really showing their true colors.
I also read DU and Daily Kos, sometimes, especially on DU I read something that I really dont agree with, or think crosses the line, but nothing has ever reached the level of hate mongering that Ive seen especially lately on FR.

Recently they had a thread discussing the incident in Maine where severed Pigs head was thrown into a Mosque.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1661104/posts#comment?q=1

here are some of the choice quotes

I'm waiting for some 'American Outreach to islam' in the form of a w-88 dialed up to about 50 kilotons right over that black rock you worship.

Nothin' but love for ya.




I'm sorry.I'm really, really, sorry.

But I had only one reaction to the headline:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

'It was posted, but it (thread from the day before suggesting somebody do this) was pulled. Some of the comments mentioned, "bowling for Muslims." 'Oh God. I am CRYING from laughing so hard!!!

Can't honestly say this bothers me. I have no pity for this cult.

Should of been a flaming pig's head so it could have burnt down that terrorist training center.

If islam was a religion, I would say this incident is wrong and the guy should be punished. but islam is a militant cult that should be run out of this country along with all of their believers. The longer we wait the worse it will get.

Crazy big font not mine. Original content.
ISLAM IS THE ENEMY

ISLAM IS SATANIC - A RELIGION OF PURE HATE

Hey Muslims; I will NOT submit!



These people are the reason why the 2006 and 2008 elections are going to be changes. The lunatic fringe of the Right has become its core base.

L2, I know your an intelligent man with a passion for what you believe in. But as much as you decry the rabid right ( and by gods there are tons) you seem immune to the loony left.

I doubt you'll see much in changes, and I know the right will hold the main office no matter who it is.

Fandros

edited a typo...rapid was meant to be rabid...

What I think is more likely to happen is record levels of voter apathy...

Too many polarizing motor mouths on TV and the Radio will drive even more voters away.

Fandros

You don't have to left or right to post comments like that on the internet L2. You should know better, people post things on the net all the time hiding behind their little computer with not much thought at all. People hate Jews, Muslims (terrorists or not), Jehova's Witness'es, Catholics ect, White people, black people, yellow people, fat, skinny, ect.. has nothig to do with what polictical party they side with.

Ive seen the looney left. Cindy Sheenan and worse. But Id take 100 Sheenans over one Pig Head tosser.

I realize that Ib. One of the disturbing things about that incident is that a thread on Freep boards suggested doing that very act the day before. And it happened. The actualization of hate is what worries me, and what it seems happened here.

And I thought you were going to comment on the wellspring of idiocy on this board :p

So has Daily "screw them" Kos ever apologized for those statements of his?

I remember reading comments over at LGF when Marla Ruzicka (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marla_Ruzicka) died. There was actual elation expressed there at the death of a woman whose intention was to help the very people the US had ostensibly gone to aid. But she wasn't strutting the crazy right party line, and so she deserved to die, in their eyes.

I've yet to see anything from the left's popular online advocacy fronts that matches anything like that. L2 is quite right about the actualization of hate. This sort of thing is encouraged by the voices on the right as well (e.g., Michelle Malkin's listing of phone numbers and addresses of peace activists).

Here's the LGF thread... http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=15495_Anti-War_Activist_Killed_By_Car_Bomb&only

I really don't want to get into a tit for tat on this, because (as mentioned above) both sides do it... so it's pointless. What needs to happen though is for the idiots to be spotlighted and ridiculed until the proper level of embarrassment is done. Freedom of the press requires this responsibility.

It also requires a certain level of honesty and truthfulness. I gave the link above of the LGF thread as case in point. Admittedly I didn't read more than 20 comments, but I see no 'elation' that she was killed ... more like ironic smirking. Kinda like what would happen if we sent Malse over to NK to be our negotiator with the very rational Kim Jong Il... and in concluding his treatise, Kim stretched Malse's neck on the end of a rope for being the dirty little American spy that he is. Sad, we'd all miss Malse because he meant well, but the irony could not be overlooked.

Seems like an appropriate enough spot to note this article (http://www.sciam.com/print_version.cfm?articleID=000CE155-1061-1493-906183414B7F0162) on the physiological underpinnings of confirmation bias (the surety one feels in the correctness of one's position).

Probably a good article .. no time to read it now.

My take: We all take the path of least resistance in pretty much everything we do ... from eating food a certain way to learning how to use a new tool... Once you learn one way, you rarely if ever change that habit... my brain cells use up too much of my Wheaties, so they get a quota everyday (:

So l2 you would take 100 loonies to 1 person who expresses a view you dont agree with.. humm sounds oddly like every other person in the world. The muslims dont like you and would take a 100 muslims to 1 christian etc. its birds of feather complex.


Rev

Remember this line it makes it easier: I am not a racist I hate everyone Equally.

So, how about starting a grass roots movement to have Hate Speech treated the same in the media as the terrible "sexual/obscene" content?

Treat Ann Coulter's mouth the same as Janet Jackson's breast; neither has anything of value to offer, most average folks are not interested in either, and they are merely being put out there to create controversy. Fine them both equally.;)

id take a 100 wacko pacifists over a 1 neo fascist any day of the week and twice on sunday.
I think its a pretty good trade.

See L2 thats the point, you prefer (insert wacko Democrat here) and Akipt prefers (insert wacko republican here). Its simple birds of feather flocking together. Me I am so middle of the road that I cant stand either party at this point. But I dont really care if one of them wants to run thier mouths since they rarely if ever have anything to say of real value.

Now Janets breast was just nasty and has scared me for life because it wasnt something I could avoid, it was a suprise and thats just wrong.

Now who are the Dem and Rep going to run in the next presidential race and where do they stand on the various topics. that would be a worthy discusion point, but simple more of your anti right wing bitching is just that bitching. you want to make a difference, start a column get it posted, write in to the NYT with an oped on whats wrong and why/how to fix it, or a full time column. try and educate folks to your point of view.

A case in point, my sister in law hates that I train in Kenpo, but when we went to DC and got lost at 1 AM all she had to say was that she was glad I was there. Most folks tend to walk away and around me for some reason. She doesnt like me training but loves the protection it allows when things are a little less civilized than she likes. Kinda of odd dont you think.

BTW Bylimet the Hobitts wont be returning after all, Ginnie doesnt want to get back into the time sink and I really need to continue to prepare for my black 2 test in Kenpo and kajukembo.

Rev

Treat Ann Coulter's mouth the same as Janet Jackson's breast; neither has anything of value to offer

Sorry but I completely disagree with this statement. Janet's breast has way way more to offer, both intellectually and, umm, in other ways than Ann Coultier's entire being.

I'm not in love with Wackos that are too far on either side of the fence...but if I had to pick, I'd much rather spend some time with peeps advocating love and peace rather than the ultra far right that seem to only know how to hate.

Damn, I thought this thread was going to be about me...

No, I think it's slowly turning about me...

humm perhaps are you both left or right wing nut jobs?

I try not to put folks into a bucket unless they give me no choice. as an intersting aside, I find that most folks have various beliefs that coincide with rep and dem ideals. Myself included, I am for drilling in ANWAR and for raising the minimum mileage on all vehicles to over 35 or 40. it can be done big auto chooses not to because it would be costly. or for another example, I am prochoice in all aspects but progun also.

Things to think about,

Rev
Plus my post count is finally near 100, which if memory serves is where I can see who has left me rep hits +/- hehe

you can't see who leaves you rep til sometime after 900 afaik.

well crap I will never get to that point


Rev

It's 1000 post count

At 2000 you get the right to remove neg hits!!

honest!!

/chuckle

Fandros

That would be nice. I was recently called a crackpot in a neg hit in another thread. While I resemble the remark, I would like to remove it before it hurts my feelings. :(

I have over 1100 post count and still cant see who puts the negative hits. So its not 900 or 1000.

The ANWR is all hype meant to distract.
Check out this map
http://www7.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0605/feature1/map.html
ANWR is only 25% of the size of the area we already drill adjacent to it, even smaller, Area 1002 is "the coastal plain" area where they want to drill.

That isnt the answer to our problems. If you are believing the Oil Company hype about ANWR sending us back to the days of cheap gas, you are not looking at the facts.

ANWR is only 25% of the size of the area we already drill adjacent to it, even smaller, Area 1002 is "the coastal plain" area where they want to drill. Wow. I didn't know the amount of oil below ground was directly related to the area's acreage. :rolleyes:

That isnt the answer to our problems.Couldn't hurt though could it? Oh sorry I forgot. Can't kill off the caribou. The insect population that feeds off of the herds would migrate south and invade us!

If you are believing the Oil Company hype about ANWR sending us back to the days of cheap gas, you are not looking at the facts.No shit? And here I thought all along we'd be living in an utopian paradise of free gas if we could just get those darn Democrats to drill in ANWR. Silly me.

ANWR is overhyped. Thats just the facts. We are already drilling in an area 20x the size of ANWR area. Factually.. the biggest oil discoveries on the North Slope have come from Barrows Arch, which is a geographic formation that has traps oil.

Im sure they will find oil there... but its not the vast magnificent qualities that Oil Companies are over inflating.
I mean, the height of idiocy is when some brainwashed underinformed "conservative" regurgitates some moronic comment like "High prices at the pump? Blame a Democrat for not letting drilling in ANWR"
Thats just Oil Company propaganda. If we had started full out drilling in area 1002 10 years ago, gas would still, right now, be the exact same price that it is.

MAY 17, 2001: ROBERT F. KENNEDY, JR. SETS HANNITY STRAIGHT PDF Print E-mail
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Friday, 12 March 2004

We can thank American Politics Journal for this. This is a good example of how easy it is to blast Hannity on the spins on issues of the day. This exchange occured a few years back...

HANNITY: In 1973, the United States imported 36 percent of its oil. Today, it's almost 60 percent that we're importing presently.

ANWR production, based on the lower numbers, anywhere between six billion -- six-trillion and 19-trillion barrels. ANWR production could percent of this entire refuge, for 30 years.

REP. KENNEDY: Well, that's not true. That -- that's just a bogus...

HANNITY: U.S. Geo -- let me read you...

KENNEDY: That's a bogus...

HANNITY: The U.S. Geological Survey estimates oil...

KENNEDY: This is a misreport. I guarantee you, Sean. But let me tell you something else.

HANNITY: Excuse me. Well, no, no. No. Wait. Don't tell me. I'm reading from the U.S. Geological Survey estimates. It could be as much as 16-billion barrels of oil, which would be the largest supply of domestic oil ever discovered.

KENNEDY: Let me see that.

HANNITY: Right there.

KENNEDY: You're reading from an advertisement by the...

HANNITY: No, I am not.

KENNEDY: ... Energy Steward Alliance.

HANNITY: Let me -- let me put...

KENNEDY: Wait a minute. This is not honest, Sean.

HANNITY: Get my still ready from the Boston paper.

KENNEDY: Sean, this is not honest.

HANNITY: Get my -- get my still ready from the Boston paper.

KENNEDY: This is not honest to say that you're reading from the Geological Survey.

HANNITY: Excuse me. Excuse me. Can I -- let's -- it is -- let me quote...

KENNEDY: No. This isn't -- this is from an energy propaganda.

[Kennedy reaches over and takes it out of his hands]

HANNITY: Give me my paper!

(LAUGHTER)

HANNITY: Can I -- I'm going to put up from the Boston -- hang on a second. Hang on a second. From the -- from the Boston paper. Here it is. This is from "The Boston Herald," your neck of the woods, hardly a right- wing paper.

KENNEDY: "The Boston Herald"?

HANNITY: Environmental...

KENNEDY: Are you kidding me? That's as right wing as...

HANNITY: Well, you -- you want to discourage everyone. This is the U.S.

KENNEDY: Well, this is not the U.S. Geological Survey.

HANNITY: Wait. Excuse me. Wait a minute. I have the survey. I have the -- wait a minute.

KENNEDY: Sean...

HANNITY: I'm going to show you the survey.

http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs-0028-01/fs-0028-01.htm

Comparison with Previous Assessments
...The current assessment shows an overall increase in estimated in-place oil resource when compared to the 1987 assessment. Ranges are 11.6 to 31.5 BBO versus 4.8 to 29.4 BBO, (95- and 5-percent probabilities) and mean values are 20.7 BBO versus 13.8 BBO (current assessment compared to 1987 assessment). The increase results in large part from improved resolution of reprocessed seismic data, which allowed the identification of many more potential petroleum accumulations in parts of the area, and analog information provided by recent nearby oil discoveries.
Keep in mind this is a survey of economically obtainable oil at or around market value. We're at $70 per barrel now, so this survey will be the low end (again.)

HANNITY: Excuse me. Well, no, no. No. Wait. Don't tell me. I'm reading from the U.S. Geological Survey estimates. It could be as much as 16-billion barrels of oil, which would be the largest supply of domestic oil ever discovered.
That whacko Hannity, what's wrong with him?

That whacko Hannity, what's wrong with him?

I think its because he said he was reading from the USGS report when he was really reading an oil company ad.

Even if he was reading from a ad... he was right.. but wait.. no.. because Kennedy said it was bogus... Once again.. we miss the point of the arguement, which was even if he got his information crossed, ultimately Hannity was still right

*warning Sarcasm ahead*
He can't be right. Since he is not a news reporter, only a commentator, anything that he says cannot be true.

Whats the difference now-a-days?

When James "Junk Science" Inhofe controls the budgetary strings for the USGS, it makes me wonder how nonpartisan the organization is.

Besides, the numbers are deceptive and not in context. Of the 10 billion barrels they estimate, 5ish Billion are recoverable... the full production of this will take 12+ years.

This find wont even maintain status quo. At best it encourages our addiction.

Oh Im sure the oil companies will make a killing, but it wont mean jack for us.

Even if he was reading from a ad... he was right.. but wait.. no.. because Kennedy said it was bogus... Once again.. we miss the point of the arguement, which was even if he got his information crossed, ultimately Hannity was still right

It has nothing to do with "Because Kennedy said it".

Bottom line is at $70+ per barrel of oil it is NOW profitable to drill in Alaska or any place in the US that can produce a barrel of oil. Don't kid yourself if you think the oil companies have any interest in keeping prices low at the pump, they don't, they won't make any money.

The Exxon CEO that recently retired came right out and said it, I believe he said something to the effect that "Where was the government when the oil companies needed help when oil was at $20 a barrel"

Are people really that ignorant of the way business operates?

Ok, take the report from 1997... the USGS survey done while Clinton's lackey was in power.... almost the same numbers and Hannity would have been right using those as well.

Ehh..

Actually cant argue that.. although the committee was Republican controlled in 1997, it was controlled by John Chafee, one of the good ones.

Actually cant argue that.. You haven't argued anything yet... unless you consider "That's a fact" as an argument.

You are a very tiny man.

Oh Im sure the oil companies will make a killing So ?

You are a very tiny man. So three times you've attacked a person in this short thread and not offered anything new except more examples of your all-over-the-map reasons why we can't have oil drilled in ANWR. Bravo.

My point is still the original one that I made.

Freepers are dangerous, violence encouraging radicals.. and that base has taken control of the Republican party.

The thread has veered and careened off in a few directions since then, but it is just another example of your dishonesty when you accuse me of being all over the map by responding to issues that you bring up.

I gave you point of the USGS survey, even if you were only partially correct. I could have said nothing, and like you, pretend the other side never has a point. It is a shame you are not capable of polite debate... but in the end I guess you just prove my original point.

Grats on all that.

Just look at the great site (http://www.onepeoplesproject.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=36&Itemid=28) he got that transcript from. Quick, join their e-militia (http://groups.myspace.com/onepeoplesproject) and bring down The Man.

The title of this thread fits well.

Does that mean it didnt happen?

Its really all over the web, I could have gotten it anywhere. I didnt voir dire the source because I had seen and heard the exchange before.

But thats ok.. avoid the larger issue... Is Hannity, the rest of the right wing punditry, and by extension the conservative leadership with which they have quid pro quo relationship with, shills for the interests of big oil?

Hannity is pushing an agenda sent forth by others for reasons other than what they spew on Faux News.

Yes MOONBATS.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/7/12/214150/522

Imagine a world without Israel

Muslims, Jews, and Christians could live in peace without fear of mutual destruction.

There would be no more need for US AID or justification for Dimona.

We could bring down the Wall, send prisoners home, and families could be reunited.

We could dismantle checkpoints, open crossings, and pull down barbed wire fences.

There would be no more settlements or armed settlers because the people would be united.

We could replant trees and olive groves and rebuild battered cities.

No more suicide bombers or sniper fire, and no more dead civilians.

No more targeted killings and hell-fire missiles, or systematic demolitions.

Palestinians and Jews could live together and the world could address other issues.

What a simpler place this world would be

if there was no need for a Jewish majority - where there would otherwise be none.

Is it so hard to imagine?

Did you read the comments after that?

400 people called the poster a moron. I went about halfway down and didnt see one person support the statements.

If that were a Free Republic poster calling for the removal of Muslim or nuking Iran he would have been greeted with a chorus of agreement.

If that were a Free Republic poster calling for the removal of Muslim or nuking Iran he would have been greeted with a chorus of agreement



Damn straight...nuke em all

^^

Well I for one congratulate you for trolling the Freeper boards so diligently. Keep it real yo.

I'll be most interested in seeing how long this suicidal/genocidal post stays up.

I must have missed something anyway... did Kos ever apologize for his "screw them" comment? Pity those contractors who got strung up in Fallujah and their poor families who had to see that. Yeah, screw them. They had it coming. Uh right...

There's one thing you miss when comparing Kos' "good" behavior and the Freepers "bad" behavior. They're both on the kook fringe of their respective ideologies... but one has the backing of their party's major committee leadership and the other is recognized as the jouvenile-at-times playground it is. Hillary is one of the few 2008 hopefuls distancing herself from Kos and other lunatics.

Sorry, you're the only one on this board who gives a rats ass what the Freep boards have to say anyway.

Of course I troll the Freep boards. There is no more dangerous mindset to our country than the autocratic/authoritarian loving viewpoint expressed by a large number of the posters there. They are the fanatic fringe. Yet Tony Snow has posted there, Sean Hannity has, your buddy from the Swiftboats...
They have a great degree of influence.. and the Right cant afford to cut these stray dogs loose... they need them.


I must have missed something anyway... did Kos ever apologize for his "screw them" comment? Pity those contractors who got strung up in Fallujah and their poor families who had to see that. Yeah, screw them. They had it coming. Uh right..

At least put the quote
Let the people see what war is like. This isn’t an Xbox game. There are real repercussions to Bush’s folly.

That said, I feel nothing over the death of merceneries. They aren’t in Iraq because of orders, or because they are there trying to help the people make Iraq a better place. They are there to wage war for profit. Screw them.

In 5 years, thats the MOST controversial thing Kos has said. Damn, freepers go beyond that water mark before breakfast.


No.. the point was the the words of Freepers are starting to translate into actions. Its a natural evolution of their viewpoint. And the Freeper mindset is far more ingrained in this conservative movement than that of Kos.

That said, I feel nothing over the death of merceneries. They aren’t in Iraq because of orders, or because they are there trying to help the people make Iraq a better place. They are there to wage war for profit. Screw them.

I'll take 100 pig heads over 1 mutilated, charred, and desecrated body anyday.

I should be able to say I'm surprised you'd try to excuse what Kos said, especially in this thread...but I can't.

Truly sickening. Yes, a wellspring indeed.

Kos killed someone? Nice try. He said he didnt feel anything for them. He didnt advocate their killing, or justify the action. He said they were mercenaries who were profiting from war. I dont agree with his sentiment, but that is hardly on par with the advocation of hate crimes.

I didnt excuse it. I put it in context.

ok what the hell is freeper and kos?


Rev

He said he didn't feel anything for them.Screw yous are reserved for people who cut you off while you're trying to get home after a busy day at work, not for the guy that's quietly driving home in the lane next to you.

Nice try.

Really man, take your blinders off and stop excusing this shit. That's the real problem.

When Sixee joined and started spewing drivel, everyone on this board called him on it. He's much better for it now, admittedly though his /sarcasm comments are still annoying the $#@% out of me.

From Islamic zealots who want to blow up embassies because someone published an offensive cartoon to right wing nutcases who think its okay to make the middle east a glass parking lot, the spotlight needs to be focused on what their saying and scorn them.... NOT embrace them.

Just curious, how many times has a left-wing columnist been attacked on campus while trying to give a speech?

How many DNC vans on election have had their tires slashed?

How many Dem candidates have had rightwingers run them down with a car?

I can't tolerate listening to Michelle Malkin, but she wrote a book about all those things and more. /shrug

Plame suing Cheney? Cool.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/07/13/valerie-plame-sues-cheney_n_24995.html

Guess you need to put this into context for us though...

"Cheney swinging from a tree with his neck in a noose sounds nice....."

Perhaps next to members of SCOTUS (http://www.mahablog.com/wp-content/uploads/nicedoggie2.jpg)?

Thanks for that link to Huffingtonpost, Akipt.

Seeing how even Putin is finding ways to have fun with Cheney's gaffes was amusing.

And, it also furthered my opinion of Bush being little more than a petulant child who will do anything to have his way.

Could probably do this all day.

Rightwinger shirt advocating the murder of journalists (http://www.thoseshirts.com/rope.html).
David Horowitz declares "Democrats, liberals and leftists" the aggressors in a "war going on in this country" and links to his associate, Rocco DiPippo's "call for action"
I issue a call to the blogosphere to begin finding and publicly listing the addresses of all New York Times reporters and editors. Posting pictures of their residences, along with details of any security measures in place to protect the properties and their owners (such as location of security cameras and on-site security details) should also be published.
[Note that the NYT had permission from Rumsfeld and Cheney (who are quite a bit better guarded than the average reporter) for use of the pictures in their Travel section, though that little fact didn't stop the umbrage and cry of "traitors!" from the right side of the blogosphere.

StoptheACLU has also chosen the tactic of publishing names and addresses of plaintiffs in ACLU cases. Their strategy has gotten off to quite a start (http://blogs.salon.com/0003494/2006/07/03.html) (ironically, with a Jewish family who the ACLU didn't actually represent).

Speaking of "traitors," above, we can provide many further examples (not from random, anonymous commenters, mind you, but opinion makers of the right). There's Coulter (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1400050308/qid=1151736193/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/103-0724975-1223056?redirect=true&s=books&v=glance&n=283155), of course, but that's almost too easy given her record. For Hannity, liberals are evil (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002TP1JY/qid=1151742585/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/103-0724975-1223056?redirect=true&s=books&v=glance&n=283155#citebody), an opinion he's joined in by Michael Savage (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0785261028/sr=8-2/qid=1151736167/ref=pd_bbs_2/103-0724975-1223056?redirect=true&ie=UTF8). Radio host Michael Reagan (http://mediamatters.org/items/200512090014) thinks a negative opinion of our prospects in Iraq is treasonous, warranting a hanging. Ben Shapiro at Townhall preaches against seditious (http://townhall.com/columnists/BenShapiro/2006/02/15/should_we_prosecute_sedition), anti-administration talk, stating that, "At some point, opposition must be considered disloyal."

Around all this, I've seen evidence of an attitude from the far right of, "If you keep calling us immoral we're going to kill you. After all, who has the guns?" Instapundit (aka Glenn Reynolds) seemed to agree with this attitude; at least, when I looked (will edit in link if I can find it) he didn't disapprove.

That both sides display incivility isn't at all in question, but I see far worse from the right (more importantly, the chief commenters and opinion makers from the right) than the left. Worse by far.

EDIT: James Madison, in Federalist #43, "...But as new-fangled and artificial treasons have been the great engines by which violent factions, the natural offspring of free government, have usually wreaked their alternate malignity on each other..."

I liked this post from Huffington..



Future headline:

"Valerie Plame, Joseph Wilson Die in Plane Crash"

Obviously the poster is thinking of the last President..

http://reuters.myway.com/article/20060714/2006-07-14T230348Z_01_N14210737_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-SECURITY-TIMES-DC.html

/Shrug

People keep throwing around "traitor's" enough... eventually someone is going to turn those words into action.