What a hateful jackass:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060824/ap_on_el_se/allen_political_ambitions

Hope this racist fucker gets his ass kicked out of office. No excuse for that...he only apologized because he knew his hate was showing.

Yeah, Democrats are never racist....

http://www.nationalcenter.org/2006/07/what-constitutes-hate-speech.html

"In Delaware, the largest growth of population is Indian Americans, moving from India. You cannot go to a 7/11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I'm not joking."


Where was the outrage when this quote was made a month ago?

What a hateful jackass:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060824/ap_on_el_se/allen_political_ambitions

Hope this racist fucker gets his ass kicked out of office. No excuse for that...he only apologized because he knew his hate was showing.

This guy has a history of being a bully, his own family has written about him.

Once again the true ASS in you comes out Sixee. I made no mention of his party at all. Damn you're defensive protecting the party of hate.

Biden's comment wasn't hateful, dumb, insensitive, sure....he was also joking (not that that really matters).

Allen singled this gentleman out in a crowd, called him "mucaca" and welcomed an American...born in America...to the US. He's a prick, no doubt what-so-ever.

Not that I'm defending Sixee, but Ail, you just came out ripping at the Repubs with your party of hate line.

Yes, Allen made a dumb ass comment, but what Biden said was equally as stupid. Let the party bashing ensue.

So Biden's comments were "just a joke", while Allen's comments makes him an ass.

Careful, your hypocrisy is showing.

And the only reason I can see for you not to jump on Biden's comments is because he is a Democrat. The only reason I can see that you are jumping on Allen's is because he's part of the "Party of Hate".
That's why I mentioned party.
Biden's comments are just as racist as Allen's. To forgive one while jumping on another shows your true colors.
And sign your negative rep next time.

Biden applied a stereotype, which is stupid (especially for a politician, moreso for a presidential contender). Allen used a racial slur, which -- to me at least -- is several degrees worse. It's the difference between remarking that, for example, a given Jew has lots of money and calling that Jew a kike (or however it's spelled).

Stereotypes are regularly sourced for humor; watch Chapelle's Show, Def Comedy Jam, or listen to any "minority" comic. But, outside of rare situations (e.g., Comedy Central roasts) you don't hear those comics use racial slurs ("nigga" doesn't count).

I'm perfectly willing to condemn Biden for being a dumbass, since I don't like him anyway (and it'd still be a stupid thing to say if I did like him), but Allen was being clearly derogatory with his slur. Political affiliation has nothing to do with it.

If he was in Canada he would have been brought up on hate crime charges.

It's the difference between remarking that, for example, a given Jew has lots of money and calling that Jew a kike (or however it's spelled).

So as long as the stereotype is positive, it's cool. Tell that to Jimmy the Greek's corpse.
What I don't get is when I point out someone else who has done something as distasteful as what these 2 did, with the only difference being party affiliation, I'm given negative reps.
Biden's comments were made back in the beginning of July.
Allen's comments were made more recently.
Why are we hearing about Allen's, but Biden gets a pass?
Call a spade a spade, Ailwon, you brought this up because it showed a member of the "Party of Hate" in a bad light.
But Biden's comments were "Just a joke".
Whatever.

Biden probably "got a pass" because his comments aren't much different than those used by comedians every day (even if they are stupid when used by a politician, which also happens regularly). And I don't see why you think referring to Indians working at Dunkin' Donuts or 7/11's is "cool" or "positive," but nothing you say surprises me anymore.

I don't know if Biden made his comments jokingly or not (though it's plausible). Allen might have meant his own comments jokingly (albeit disparagingly). No matter, it's the difference in content that matters, not the attitude of expression.

Sorry, Thor, it just don't wash with me.
I don't think that making the comment of working in Dunkin Donuts or 7/11 is a positive thing to say.
Your example:
given Jew has lots of money and calling that Jew a kike (or however it's spelled).
was the source of my positive stereotype comment.
Some people could take the comment of saying that Indians working in Dunkin Donuts or 7/11 is a positive thing to say, given the working conditions and hours of retail. It's a grind to say the least. And it takes fortitude to work a grueling schedule and in the conditions that they do.
Some people might thing referring to a guy from India a "mucaca" is in reference to the playful and cute nature of the primates.
Neither of which is true, but my point is this:
Perspective.
Ailwon saw something he didn't like from a member of a party he despises. Without thinking that there might be someone from his own party that might have done the same thing, only earlier, he posts it.
If it's wrong for 1, it's wrong the other. Don't make excuses.

Ailwon saw something he didn't like from a member of a party he despises. Without thinking that there might be someone from his own party that might have done the same thing, only earlier, he posts it.
If it's wrong for 1, it's wrong the other. Don't make excuses.
Except that Ailwon probably didn't know of the month's old comment from Biden. I didn't, and Ailwon and I both find Biden's comment stupid, just not as bad as Allen's racial slur. If Bush was caught banging an intern are we not supposed to bring it up because Clinton did it? Must we, in the current example, bring up Strom Thurmond for his racist remarks 40 years ago?

Your "but a Dem...!" response is a trite and desperate non sequitur, an attempt at "gotcha" rather than an honest presentation of legitimate concern. If this bothered you so much, why didn't you bring it up in July? Did it not "wash with" you until just now?

No, it's just "but Clinton!" in slightly different form.

You are right, it wasn't brought up in the press. Not nearly as much as Allen's comment is here recently.
Kind of makes you wonder, doesn't it? Why did Biden get a pass?
For the record, I'm a Libertarian, and I think both parties have pluses, but way more minuses.
And I do tend to point out when inequality is shown to one and not the other, regardless of the party affiliation.

And I don't excuse Allen's comments. They were wrong, and certainly not "Just a Joke". That sort of humor we can all do with out.

Giena and Sixee, my original post said nothing about party affiliation, what-so-ever....I didn't bring the parties into it at all. The fact that he's a republican doesn't matter, he's an ass for doing what he did....so is Biden. Sixee compared the two incidents, not me. THEY ARE VERY DIFFERENT. Sixee stop putting words into other peoples mouth, you haven't the brain to speak for yourself let alone anyone else.

I never once said their aren't racist Democrats, but I stand behind my contention that Republicans, very much in general, foster more hate than Democrats...the gay marriage issue they keep raising to amazing heights is a fine example.

Allen doesn't get a pass because his comments were to a person right in the room with him, said with hate and because of his track record as a major prick. Granted, Republicans are generally more in the press spotlight than democrats because they hold all the power....if they don't like the spotlight they can reliquish their seats (..and quit taking bribes, saying hateful things, starting useless wars...etc.).

Why did Biden get a pass?
Here, I could bring up Repubs who "got a pass" for things said. Hell, I'd say the whole administration has gotten a pass from the press for most of its two terms. But I don't find it particularly relevant. It's a "let's blame the media" point, which both sides engage in. Ultimately, both politicians were foolish, but I find much more "racist weight" in Allen's slurs.

Ailwon saw something he didn't like from a member of a party he despises. Without thinking that there might be someone from his own party that might have done the same thing, only earlier, he posts it.

No I didn't, I posted a story on an asshole...I never mentioned parties until you did. So what you are saying is, in order to post something an asshole did, I have to research and see if anyone has ever done something remotely, even extremely remotely like it before in all of history? dee-dee-dee :rolleyes:


My own party? Which would that be?...I wasn't aware I had posted what party I'm in...or whether I'm in one at all. I'm sorry, but you make no sense what-so-ever....par for you I guess.

Why are we hearing about Allen's, but Biden gets a pass?


I first heard about these the other night watching the news, when they were discussing the internet and how clips of these gaffs are showing up on websites.

I agree that while one was blatantly a derogatory remark, the other was more of an insensitive stupid comment. Regardless, neither should be condoned and both men should be taken to task for making the statements. I have no doubt they will be getting plenty of replay during the next campaigns these two run.

BUT, I highly disagree with this needing to be a political we/they piece of debate. It is a case of a couple of powerful people showing they are just as capable of shooting off their mouths in an inappropriate manner as anyone else; the differrence with these two is that it may cost them their political future, if sufficient attention is paid to the comments.

Party affiliation does not have anything to do with either of the situations.

It is a case of a couple of powerful people showing they are just as capable of shooting off their mouths in an inappropriate manner as anyone else; the differrence with these two is that it may cost them their political future, if sufficient attention is paid to the comments.Not to mention, if enough attention isn't paid, they may be elected to office and placed into a position of even greater power, to do more damage than the average street racist.

Leaders should absolutely be held to a higher standard than the common man.

Why did Biden get a pass?

YouTube.

Im not bothered by any of these..
Not when you had Strom Thurmond in office for 50 years.

“And I want to tell you, ladies and gentlemen, that there’s not enough troops in the Army to force the Southern people to break down segregation and admit the nigger race into our theatres, into our swimming pools, into our homes and into our churches.” (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/54/Strom_Thurmond_1948_Speech_Clip.ogg)

What a hateful jackass:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060824/ap_on_el_se/allen_political_ambitions

Hope this racist fucker gets his ass kicked out of office. No excuse for that...he only apologized because he knew his hate was showing.

What a fucking dipshit. Not that it matters much, but I sent him an email. Too bad I don't live in Virginia, so that I could vote against this guy.

Down with Whitey! I'm not black, but I play one on TV.

if you want to bring Stromm Thurman into the mix.. I have 3 words..

Robert Carlyle Byrd

What bothers me the most is the hypocracy in all of this.. While I do not agree with what Allen did, at least he is not part of a party that preaches how they are the party of the minority but yet have a former KKK member.

If ANY republican says something even remotely insensitive they are drawn and quartered.. say what you want.. but there is something not fair here.

Byrd renounced his Klan membership while Thurmond was still preaching segregation, so that's a non-starter. Of course, Thurmond served as an example of an entirely different point (Byrd would have served equally well) that you failed to recognize, that being the problem of "but Clinton!"-izing every person or event that comes up for discussion.
If ANY republican says something even remotely insensitive they are drawn and quartered.. say what you want.. but there is something not fair here.
I see you're taking up comedy. Ann Coulter, who has no problem staying in the public eye (from FOX News to Jay Leno), puts that assertion to rest. Not to mention the various forms of 'gays are worse than terrorists' rhetoric that comes out of the Repub leadership.

Not to mention the various forms of 'gays are worse than terrorists' rhetoric that comes out of the Repub leadership.

Yeah, I hear that all the time....

I'm hearing it right now, in fact....

As for Ann Coulter, Do you not pay attention when people throw shit on her when she is speaking? Do you see this happening to Liberal speakers? I do not recall the last time I seen Al Sharpton getting a pie thrown at him.

And as for Byrd..

Ya.. I am sure he truly renounced the KKK, and it had nothing to do with his future political career.. I am sure a man who writes a letter to Theodore Bilbo that says this really changed his ways..

"with a Negro by my side. Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds"

Ya.. I am sure he truly renounced the KKK, and it had nothing to do with his future political career.
Please demonstrate Byrd's pro-KKK proclivities during his senatorial career. (And note again that this is entirely irrelevant to the point I originally made)

I feel sorry for the feces that had to touch Ann Coulter. :(

Can I throw Feces on Jesse Jackson? Or would that be a "Hate Crime"?

But I'm not Republican is still a valid platform huh.

Can't "But but Clinton" but ya'll can hide behind an extremely poor vision.

Racism in any form, whether is be a misstep or a stereo type is not acceptable by any means for someone voted into office.

Sorry, that's weak as hell..

Oh gods can't recall..David Duke belonged to which party?

This isn't a party issue tho mind you, it's one of politicians being socially retarded at times.

Fandros

David Duke ran at different times as Rep and Dem.

IMO, racism is indeed wrong for an elected official, while stereotyping is just plain stupid. There is, I think, a continuum where stereotyping does ultimately become racist (perhaps the two are essentially synonymous).

Politicians, like anyone else, definitely say things on the spur of the moment that they regret. Being accountable for that is part of the price one pays for being a politician.

In 1970 Strom Thurmond openly and vigoursly endorsed a openly racist candidate for the Governor of SC, Albert Watson.
So you have at least 30+ years of viseral racist action by Strom Thurmond, most of which while he was in office.

Robert Byrd was in the KKK for 1 year. 45'-46'
Thurmond never made up or apologized for his racism.
Byrd on the other hand
In the NAACP's Congressional Report Card for the 108th Congress (spanning the 2003–2004 congressional session), Byrd was awarded with an approval rating of 100% for favoring the NAACP's position in all 33 bills presented to the United States Senate regarding issues of their concern. Only 16 other Senators of the same session matched this approval rating. In June 2005, Byrd proposed an additional $10 million in federal funding for the Martin Luther King memorial in Washington, DC, remarking that "With the passage of time, we have come to learn that his Dream was the American Dream, and few ever expressed it more eloquently."

There is, I think, a continuum where stereotyping does ultimately become racist (perhaps the two are essentially synonymous).

I think that's the closest thing to saying, "I'm wrong." that Thor has ever said since I've been on the boards.

I think Sixee's latest post demonstrates the utmost in consistency on his part.

This thread did not deliver. When I saw what an ass, I thought it might be pr0n :(

/derail off

I agree with Fandros, party doesn't matter it's the inidividual being a social dumbass.