Every day it seems, the Arizona legislature finds a new way to astound us with its utter incompetence. SB 1070 requires a law enforcement official to make a reasonable attempt to determine the immigration status of any person with whom the law enforcement official has a “lawful contact” where the official reasonably suspects that the person is unlawfully in the United States.

So, let's say for example a school bus of a private school were pulled over by Arizona law enforcement. A 1st grader (or a 7 year old) who is a green card holder would be legally required to carry an original copy of his permanent resident card. For not carrying his green card, the 7-year old is required by law to be charged with a misdemeanor, arrested, and detained. Is it reasonable to expect a 7-year old to carry such an important document as an original copy of his alien registration document?

Let's say you went out swimming or jogging, and you happen to be Chinese American (US citizen by birth or naturalization). You could be arrested merely because a law enforcement official has reasonable suspicion that you are unlawfully present in the United States. What reasonable suspicion is has been defined ambiguously.

Or worse yet, if you are a green card holder, you would be charged with a misdemeanor for not swimming with your green card under your speedo or jogging with your wallet.

I'm of Chinese ethnicity as my parents were from Taiwan. I was born in the State of Arizona. Yet an inquiry would more likely to be made on my immigration status than a person of white skin complexion and European physical features.

I think the new law is best summed up as Gov Jan Brewer was asked, "What does an illegal immigrant look like?" She said she didn't know what one looked like.

I do think they went overboard in trying to fix a very serious problem.

At least they did "something" isn't that the benchmark set by passing a health care bill without knowing what's in it?

Now perhaps AZ just need to patch the law with various provision until they get it somewhere workable. We, as a country, accepted that with Health Care and hell maybe financial reform so apparently it's the new way to run govt.

Oh wait, it's an outrage ONLY when the right does it ;P

Something has to be done in the SW states, it's just stupid to continue as we have in allowing the illegals to run rampant. Gangs in Utah alone are growing out of control in Ogden/SLC etc and ...gosh they are chock full of illegals ( and those flocking to their rampant cash/drugs).

The solution is very simply - aggressively target companies and individuals who hire illegals, and start removing one of the largest incentives to cross the boarder. But that would be political suicide, crossing the corporations, so I doubt we'll ever see that.

The solution is very simply - aggressively target companies and individuals who hire illegals, and start removing one of the largest incentives to cross the boarder. But that would be political suicide, crossing the corporations, so I doubt we'll ever see that.

Yep.

Even going back to Clinton era enforcement levels would make a massive difference. Under Bush, the number of raids on employers of illegals dropped by an order of magnitude (while the rhetoric ramped up the other direction, of course).

I'm not aware of whether that trend is being reversed under Obama or not. Anyone know?

The solution is very simply - aggressively target companies and individuals who hire illegals, and start removing one of the largest incentives to cross the boarder. But that would be political suicide, crossing the corporations, so I doubt we'll ever see that.

Doesn't fix the punk kids crawling the streets or those living off of welfare and working under the table.

All that stuff is trivially minor compared to luring whole families here en masse (and those minor things are symptoms of the larger migration, at that).

The law is superbly bad in principal and will never pass muster on any constitutional basis but I think in the mean time your not going to see the law enforcement of AZ turn into paper checking deportation agents either. not like they are not already fairly well busy as is. this will be handled in reality like all other absurd laws passed on the ground as oh yea so what. except maybe in that one county(maricopa?) with that whack job sherriff.
About the only scenario i can see this bieng used is in a situation where they the know they have a scumbag drug dealer/runner wife beater or what ever in thier hands but have nothing else to get him/her on then yea, they'll use this law as a means to get them off the street albiet temporarily.

Like the Patriot Act was only supposed to be used on "terrorists", right?

Doesn't fix the punk kids crawling the streets or those living off of welfare and working under the table.

WOW just WOW! I really think you could not have less of a grasp of the big picture than you do.

Sorry Velvet but I do, Utah has had serious issues for the last 10 years or so.

WOW JUST WOW I do not think you think what you think you think unless you are told what to think....

that help?

Growing gang violence in SLC and Ogden ( though in the last year they enacted special gang units and that seems to have helped a bit ) as well as any trip to the ER and seeing it full of folks with nothing more than a cut on the hand or bloody fucking nose.

Yeah I think I have an idea...

Oooo go to Home Depot and have a group of kids trying to sell home depot products openly in the parking lot. Granted it's at the far end, but still in their own focking parking lot.

Yeah I think I have a clue

Do try to develop your own sense of things, Bill Ayres cannot always be depended on to give you an opinion.

You have a very high opinion of your parking lots if that's why you think they ended up in Utah.

Every day it seems, the Arizona legislature finds a new way to astound us with its utter incompetence. SB 1070 requires a law enforcement official to make a reasonable attempt to determine the immigration status of any person with whom the law enforcement official has a “lawful contact” where the official reasonably suspects that the person is unlawfully in the United States.

So, let's say for example a school bus of a private school were pulled over by Arizona law enforcement. A 1st grader (or a 7 year old) who is a green card holder would be legally required to carry an original copy of his permanent resident card. For not carrying his green card, the 7-year old is required by law to be charged with a misdemeanor, arrested, and detained. Is it reasonable to expect a 7-year old to carry such an important document as an original copy of his alien registration document?

Let's say you went out swimming or jogging, and you happen to be Chinese American (US citizen by birth or naturalization). You could be arrested merely because a law enforcement official has reasonable suspicion that you are unlawfully present in the United States. What reasonable suspicion is has been defined ambiguously.

Or worse yet, if you are a green card holder, you would be charged with a misdemeanor for not swimming with your green card under your speedo or jogging with your wallet.

I'm of Chinese ethnicity as my parents were from Taiwan. I was born in the State of Arizona. Yet an inquiry would more likely to be made on my immigration status than a person of white skin complexion and European physical features.

I think the new law is best summed up as Gov Jan Brewer was asked, "What does an illegal immigrant look like?" She said she didn't know what one looked like.

Everything you stated here was essentially possible under the laws already, and all that this new law does is appease some voters so that those in close races might feel more comfortable come November; and, naturally it also pisses off a lot of other folks. We have Mayors of our major cities up here telling employees DO NOT attend any functions in Arizona as long as that law is on the books.

The arguments regarding profiling and ethnicity are almost silly; of course it is profiling and racial ethnicity is a major element in combating illegal immigration. I think it might be safe to say there are greater numbers of latinos/Mexicans crossing into Arizona as illegals than there are whites from other nations, or Asians or even Middle Easterners.

Yes, passing such a law was stupid since it really only reinforces current law, and the bandwagon posturing of folks like McCain with the issue may well be enough to remove them from the political scene come November.

Now, off to read the rest of the posts here, and see if I am sounding totally ignorant or if others have already stated the above. :D

It's becoming increasingly embarrassing to live in this state. I also live in Maricopa county, with the aforementioned wack-job sheriff.

Even if - just suppose - easy jobs weren't far and above the biggest attraction for boarder hoppers, they are the one area in which the government has traditionally turned a blind eye. Politicians largely have left businesses alone, beyond a few token raids here and there and a vastly underfunded ICE, and then when election time rolls around they act shocked at the number of illegals wandering Arizona. Well duh - when it isn't election season, we're busy creating a welcome for these folks.

Politically I could go either way on the boarder issues - as long as we commit to one way.

My parents live in Scottsdale, and being FOX news types, they *love* this new law. Personally, I think it's going to be completely unenforceable (and as others have mentioned, the only way to slow the tide of illegal immigration is to dry up the supply of jobs via enforcement of penalties against companies who *hire* illegal immigrants, not likely to happen when the major agribusiness companies feel so brazen as to actively *recruit* them in Mexico and Central America), but I *do* think it's worth mentioning that whenever I am in the Phoenix area I can't help but notice the frequent news accounts of violent crime (usually, shootings at houses or discoveries of starving, imprisoned people being held for ransom) associated with the human trafficking trade. Certain parts of Phoenix contain a significant density of not-so-safe houses used by coyotes (both human and in the drug trade) as it's a major 'distribution' hub once the immigrants arrive in the US and while I think this law won't help deal with that problem in the least, I think awareness/sensationalist coverage of that problem has also stoked public opinion in favor of it.

I've also heard that Georgia of all places is considering a similar law and that may be not so much because of the Mexican/Central American immigrant problem but because Atlanta is a major human trafficking hub for Eastern European and African (particularly Nigerian) immigrants being pressed into prostitution and other illegal activity (I was somewhat shocked to read last year that Atlanta is now ranked as the city with the largest human trafficking problem in the US). The question becomes, will we move nationally towards requiring people to carry something resembling the 'enhanced' drivers' licenses that Arizona tried to implement a couple of years ago, which contain immigration status information and can be used as a passport within the latin american and caribbean zones?

Regards,
Nydia

In any case, it looks like for now we can expect to see an increase in stops for 'driving while brown'

I've also heard that Georgia of all places is considering a similar law


I think that is just to keep the Floridians out! :p

I was somewhat shocked to read last year that Atlanta is now ranked as the city with the largest human trafficking problem in the US

You need to cut that shit out Sanchek!

Laws like this are great. It makes it easier to spot the closet bigots among us.

You need to cut that shit out Sanchek!

I was not aware of that, but it is apparently true. It's hard to fathom how anyone who would take part in either side of that exchange.

Bill Ayres cannot always be depended on to give you an opinion

LMAO, Fox news 08 called and wants its talking point back.

Growing gang violence in SLC and Ogden

Sorry to inform you of this but thats a problem facing all communities across the US. while the latino's are a part of this they are just a part of the disturbing trend thats effecting all parts of the spectrum.

Oooo go to Home Depot and have a group of kids trying to sell home depot products openly in the parking lot. Granted it's at the far end, but still in their own focking parking lot.


See where I live it's the White methheads ripping of the Home Depot and scaming them on returns, the "brown ones" stay on the far side of the parking lot praying to be used for a day for $30-$40 dollars for 10-12 hours of labor. see, i worked for a company recently that paid me $24 dollars an hour to basically stand around and watch a crew of "brown" guys work thier asses off for $9 dollars an hour. yep thats fair and balanced for sure.
Not that i was not worth the 24 but more that they were worth 15. see the big picture your missing concerning all the "brown" people here is that getting facefucked here in the us for next to nothing is preferable to having to lick discarded gum on the sidewalk for your daily caloric intake.

my opinions are 100% my own derived from my real experiances not the television! feel free to disagree with me. I'll still love you regardless.

the law isnt any different really from the Fed. law that isnt really enforced. We built a fence in California and parts of Texas its channeled the flow. If you get pulled over have no lisc. or a fake lisc. kidnap someone for ransom, kill a rancher then you need to show ID if your caught.

Not much different than anyone here is required to show ID if stopped for making a stupid move. Its not like the Sheriff posse round up is going to fill up the pick ups and ride out in search of 400k illegals. If you dont have your ID you can go to jail until your ID is confirmed. Its the law in every state.

people are reading waaay to much into this. if your truck was stolen to transport migrants, land trashed non stop by people hiking threw, and your land being destroyed you would be upset as well.

I live in Texas not close to the border but my wifes families ranch isnt to far,we just spent the week there. People there agree with this for the most part and want real HELP for the fear of there lives families safety.

for the most part the migrants aren't the issue as much as the drug runners, thieves and thugs tied with them. Ive known many illegals in the ten years Ive worked in construction in this state. I have nothing against someone trying to better themselves and families lives, I wish more people here took the same initiative.

If I go to Mexico I have to carry ID or risk being screwed by there law enforcement. same in China Europe etc the US is alot more lax. I could go on. Being the son of an Irish immigrant family. Who now lives in a german settled town that all had issues with migration and there heritage. There are all kinds of ignorant loud mouthed bigots if thats the word people wish to brand to those who voice different opinions and make this issue more than what it is.

to much rambling, going to stretch my legs and swim before the games start. Peace

for the most part the migrants aren't the issue as much as the drug runners, thieves and thugs tied with them.

Well said Nekko.

Well said, well other than the myriad of other issues illegal immigration brings with it.

Want in, do the paperwork or stay out. Our infrastructure already has issues, healthcare is already a fucking joke...

I noticed they have already started patching the law ( gosh where was that said before ).

I like the law... make sure the police don't abuse it, and continue to tweak it to make it better and I would LOVE this in California!

UHM...San I think someone's Jacked jedd's account.

UHM...San I think someone's Jacked jedd's account.

Nah

The law is the law... if you don't belong here then get out!