One is a place where John Kerry has never been, and the other is a place where John Kerry is never going!

11:05 AM November 3rd, John Kerry conceeds the White House to PRESIDENT Bush! Woohoo!! :D

There's 2 old quotes that fit well here.

"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups."

and

"May god have mercy on our souls."

Lets pray that none of the damage is irreparable.

Ya know, what really dissapoints me about this election though, isn't even who was elected. It was that the same amount of 18-24 year olds voted this time, as in 2000.

We had a chance to show that we weren't dumbfucks. But nope, we decided we liked being incredibly stupid or something. :confused:

Well this time there can't be any he stole the election or he didn't win the popular vote, he got both. I just hope he understands the mistakes he has made as President and works to correct those he can.

Rev
Vote Libertarian

Well, grats Bush. Really, he deserved it. America deserves it. The rest of the world does not, but who minds? :)

Look at the bright side, he can't get reelected again :)

4 more years and the nightmare will be over. In the mean time, what's next? Saudi Arabia? Iran? France?

In the mean time, what's next? Saudi Arabia? Iran? France? Sounds good to me !

France?
one can only hope

what kerry did was rather honorable, instead of dragging it out, which i believe he could have, he conceded and kept the election rather clean

Jesus christ DiscW quit whining. It's over. That's the only good thing about this election. It's over.

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Is Talid banned? He's been awful quiet :) !

According to Kerry in his concession speech, it's time for the healing of America to begin... aka PURPLE HEARTS FOR EVERYONE! Haha!

And as far as the youth goes, I'm 22 and was proud to help President Bush win Florida by an overwhelming margin. Not only that, I also convinced three of my friends in the same age group to get out and vote for Bush (and they did!), but I also hit the campaign trail by attending rallies, standing on busy streets waving signs, and "freeping" the libs when they came to down. I must say it couldn't of been a better experience; I love being able to vote and I love this country! :D

Bush overwhelmingly won florida? less than 10% margin of victory is not overwhelming bud.

Jesus christ DiscW quit whining. It's over. That's the only good thing about this election. It's over.

I made one post in response to a post about bush winning, along with other people that share the same sentiment, and that mean's I'm whining? If you say so... O_o

And Semedi, even though we're basically polar opposite's, I'll give you props for being in the minority of those our age doing our duty and participating in the election.

Back to arguing, Bush certainly didn't win FL anywhere near overwhelmingly. :p Both that and the senate race were very close, the state is pretty well divided. So looks like this kind of thing is going to be happening here for a long while.

Complete and Utter victory.

The conservative ideology has a commanding control of all branches of government.
We will see once and for all if conservatism is the path we follow for the next 50 years (ala FDR and liberalism) or a tragic mistake.

The next four years will either be a overwhelming success or a crushing disaster. There is no real in between.
No excuses now. Republican ideology has unprecedented and historic control over the reigns of government.
Dont fuck it up

Geez this board is fubared, sorry about the tripple post :confused:

Regardless, Florida WAS an overwhelming victory! Over 300,000 in favor of President Bush! Compare that to the Florida 2000 elections... The state made a huge shift in favor of President Bush! Especially with polls at the start of November saying Kerry had a 2 point lead in Florida, along with the horribly wrong exit polls :rolleyes:

/nod Lleauric)

On a side note, I pulled out the State Employees Charitable Campaign form from the the dark recesses of my desk this afternoon and set myself up for payroll deduction to the ACLU and Planned Parenthood.

I figure that both organizations are going to need the help.

Regards,
Nydia

/laugh

Yeah, congrats. America and its people will now continue to stay safer than ever before.
And the world.


:D

Yes, there was a shift, that is true. But just saying 300,000 votes takes it out of context. Bush won 52% to 47%. He did perform well there, you are correct, but none of the facts you brought up are related to it being 'overwhelming'. It wasn't, and you're making no sense, lol. 5% dude.

Ok, I'ma stop discussing this anal little fact now.

Couple things here. One, I don't understand how Bush can have an approval rating of 45% and then get 52% of the vote. That means that 7% don't like what he is doing, but they voted for him anyway. Was it the whole "patriotic pressure" thing?

Second, it is baffling to the republicans how strongly California voted for Kerry, and at the same time strongly voted for Arnold. Since, as L2 said, the repulicans hold a majority in both sides of congress and the presidency, I certainly hope they learn something about California and realize that a moderate republican is the ideal philosophy that both republicans and democrats can support. I hope for the sake of all of us that Bush and the RNC don't go full blast with ultra conservative measures.

Phelonius

From the chest beating going on over at MTV it sounded like 18 - 29 year olds voted in record numbers /shrug.

Winning the popular vote by 3 million + is more telling to me than what margin of victory he had in any specific state. Record voter turn out usually means democrats have the advantage which after the last election would have meant total crushing defeat for Bush. That's not what the way it went.

Badnarik got 400,000 votes. Hopefully that's taken to heart by both parties and makes an impact. Not the kind of impact Nader had on the democrats, which resulted in him being sued over 34 times to bury him in paperwork and legal fee's, but an impact on policy decisions and future platforms.

Time to ditch the elctoral college, which was set up because there were no mass communications in the 1700's, and the two party system all together.

Kerry's concession speech was cute with the "I wanna hug everyone" and the "It's time to be united". Will be interesting to see how united they are when it comes time to make judicial appointments. Same ol' BS every election.

i'm guessing california had a huge turn out of the teeny bopper mtv crowd show up, as i live here i can say for sure we have alot of people (younger) who gather all their political info from MTV

Well that's one thing you don't have to worry about Phel, the republican party is definetly becoming more moderate. Look at the future leaders and the current voices of the party... McCain (admittadly on his way out), Swartzenagger, Guiliani... all very moderate republicans. Don't be surprised to see Guiliani on the 2008 ticket to battle it out with Hillary.

Personally I was shocked to see how much support Bush garnered in California and New York. If the libs lose their grip on California, how are they ever going to win another election?

"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups."


I think this is what lose Kerry the election. The assumption that only an idiot would agree with bush. I heard this over and over again. look at what bush stands for without the sneer and backhanded insults. I heard comments about the while he was in the town meeting debate how he was fuming and raving. This to other showed how he was passionate about the issue emotionally involved with his stance.

I'm listening the liberal talk radio on shows and they can't believe it was possible that bush won fairly. They did something to the voting machines. I sat in a class room of students and the listen to them talk about the election and the the most ill informed were the Kerry Democrates, the Leb talk radio talked about how bushes people played scare tactics but what did we here? thier is going to be a draft, high explosives where lost under bushes watch, blacks were going disinfranchised.

The numbers as they are coming in is more jewish, hispanic, blacks and all racial lines are up for Bush. with all this negitivism slightly more in Demo side doesn't help. it hurts the cuase of the democrates.

An interesting observation from one way too young to vote yet, and this was apparently based mostly on the TV ads and such that were seen, is that all the people who were the meanest won.

Based on the amount of negative advertising, and also on who was first to go negative in most of the state and midwest races, it does appear that folks preferred to vote for the candidate with the most and/or harshest attack ads.
I really hope that this is not a sign of things to come in future elections.

Let's now see if some unity can be found again in this country, and close up some of the divisions.

This thread is hosed.

In regards to Florida I think Mel Martinez gave Florida to Bush. Bush asked him to run for the Senate. I have a feeling it was to help reel in more of the Hispanic vote from Miami.

God I hate retarded euros like you.

thank goodness Kerry did not win

Will I ever get a non anonymous neg rep?

Its not baffeling Pheloneous, it just proves that the bulk of our country is full of retards. Had Michael Myers been a US citizen and ran for President, he would have overwhelmingly won. Or a number of pop culture characters.

People voted for Bush for a number of reasons, but its mindboggling that most of them voted to negatively effect their own personal economies. The poor and middle class of states like Ohio voted against jobs, but for security. *shrug* The good news is N. Virginia went pretty blue this time around so at least my local government won't screw things up too bad.

Personally, I've been fairly unsatisfied with Bush's performance over the past few years. The thing is though, not liking Bush is not nearly enough of a reason to vote for an assclown like Kerry. Kerry could not and did not provide any viable alternative to the various situations out there, and kept saying, "I will do it better." Yeah? The little engine that could is an inspiration story but I"m not gonna elect that fucker to be my president.

Anyways, the 'youth' numbers were based on exit polls, which are inherantly flawed anyways and should be done away with.

As Fandros once said to me, "Sour grapes leave a bad taste in this thread."

Phel the answer to your question in regards to the difference in approval rating polls and actual vote is simple.

Polls are taken with weighted interest by both sides.

Case in point, last week I got polled. Caller ID'd themselves as affialiated with a nonpartisian national polling company.

Caller Howdy Fandros bla bla bla ...I'd like to ask you a series of questions in regards to how you'll be voting this election.

Fandros....Sure fire away...

Caller...How are you going to vote for President

I interrupt her, I'm voting for Bush...

Caller...err okay that'll be all.....


You tell me they didn't have prepared a series of questions to slant my answer if I had answered Kerry eh?

Fandros

One, I don't understand how Bush can have an approval rating of 45% and then get 52% of the vote. That means that 7% don't like what he is doing, but they voted for him anyway.From what I have seen, approval polls do not poll based on likely voters. They just poll anyone. Thus the poll would include people who disapprove of Bush but not enough to vote against him.

"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups."


I think this is what lose Kerry the election. The assumption that only an idiot would agree with bush. I heard this over and over again. look at what bush stands for without the sneer and backhanded insults. I heard comments about the while he was in the town meeting debate how he was fuming and raving. This to other showed how he was passionate about the issue emotionally involved with his stance.

I'm listening the liberal talk radio on shows and they can't believe it was possible that bush won fairly. They did something to the voting machines. I sat in a class room of students and the listen to them talk about the election and the the most ill informed were the Kerry Democrates, the Leb talk radio talked about how bushes people played scare tactics but what did we here? thier is going to be a draft, high explosives where lost under bushes watch, blacks were going disinfranchised.

The numbers as they are coming in is more jewish, hispanic, blacks and all racial lines are up for Bush. with all this negitivism slightly more in Demo side doesn't help. it hurts the cuase of the democrates.

Second, it is baffling to the republicans how strongly California voted for Kerry, and at the same time strongly voted for Arnold.
Not really. National level politics and state level politics are two different things- North Carolina votes strongly Democratic on a local level, but votes Republican on a national level.

Also, as it turns out, if Kerry *was* elected, odds are fairly good he'd be ineffectual, given the Republican House and Senate.

Don't be surprised to see Guiliani on the 2008 ticket to battle it out with Hillary.
I still think we'll see Pataki before Guiliani. It wouldn't surprise me if Rudy ran for governer of NY if Pataki ran for President, though.

Running Hillary would be the single most dumb move the Democrats could ever make. It would be more sensible to run a can of baked beans. All the Republicans would have to do is beat a drum about how she couldn't even CONTROL HER OWN HUSBAND.

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What is the difference between Vietnam and Iraq?


Bush had a plan to get out of Vietnam....

The media I would say is the biggest difference between the two wars. However, the media nowadays are hard pressed to cover the good we are doing over their and just focus on all the death and bad shit.

:devil