View Full Version : What's your take on the new polls?
Now that Bush is in the lead (general concesus), what do you think will happen in these last 60 days? Can Kerry come back to win? Can Bush do something to turn voters away from him?
In general what do you think will happen from here on out?
Thormir
09-07-2004, 10:50 AM
Kerry has a chance, but he needs to kick off his campaign first.
Elemak the Enchanter
09-07-2004, 12:11 PM
I think Kerry is going to implode towards the end here, he hasn't ever presented a strong message other than "I''m not bush!" And just about evrything he has presented he's taken a different stance on at some point before, or changed his mind later about it.
Throw in the questions about his military service and wether or not he lied about it to get medals. Then when he DID lie about it in the hearings after he returned home he made a lot of veterans mad, and not just Vietnam ones too. He not only turned his back on them when he joined the anti war protests, but he cut them off at the knees when he accused them of the attrocities he described.
I think a lot of Vets could have looked past the uncertainty about his medals and his service with the swift boats, but what he did after returning home is what has fucked him here.
Furtivus
09-07-2004, 03:16 PM
Kerry will likely change positions another time and take a more "Dean" like approach on the war against terrorism. It should appeal to his base more.
Jensae1
09-07-2004, 03:25 PM
he hasn't ever presented a strong message other than "I''m not bush!"That may be enough by itself. :)
Ibudin
09-07-2004, 04:27 PM
Apparently not :)
Ibudin
Mukaz
09-07-2004, 04:27 PM
That may be enough by itself. :)
Kerry not being Bush isn't enough for many people.
I would dearly love to send George back home to Texas to dabble in professional baseball again but the Kerry campaign hasn't convinced me that their candidate has a solid plan to take our nation forward.
All I hear from them is "We'll do it different!" without offering any substantive plan to back that statement up.
They say "Hope is on the way!" but i'm not convinced they have any idea what the average American hopes for.
I remain unconvinced that Kerry would be better than Bush. I'm deeply concerned that he would be worse. And I'm not alone in feeling that way.
trimlock
09-07-2004, 04:33 PM
hes got a very short time to turn his image around, if he wants to start putting up hard idea's, and put up plans his major chances are already done, hes got to put more effort into putting that out then he did shutting up the swift boat vets.
Palimax Sceleris
09-07-2004, 04:40 PM
Polls continue to be "registered voters" and "likely voters." Likely voters is a euphimism for "voted last election."
We're going to see a lot of newer voters this year. It's not "cool" to abstain any longer.
Osgiliath666
09-07-2004, 04:41 PM
Kerry has a chance, but he needs to kick off his campaign first.
Don't you think he maybe, perhaps, kinda... You know done that in oh....say... FEBUARY?
Fandros
09-07-2004, 04:54 PM
There are more folks voting for Bush because he's Bush than there are voting for Kerry because he's Kerry.
It seems that Kerry has a shrinking percentage of folks that were going to vote for him mainly because he wasn't Bush.
Told ya'll early on he was a wraith of a candidate. Truth proves out...
Fandros
Thormir
09-07-2004, 04:56 PM
Don't you think he maybe, perhaps, kinda... You know done that in oh....say... FEBUARY?Congratulations for catching on!
Sanchek
09-07-2004, 06:49 PM
We're going to see a lot of newer voters this year. It's not "cool" to abstain any longer.
That's what I've been hearing for the past two elections.
Osgiliath666
09-07-2004, 06:53 PM
Thanks for your witisism Throbmir but if you have not noticed I could careless if Kerry were to be struck by lightining this very second. I welcome 4 MORE YEARS! 4 MORE YEARS! 4 MORE YEARS! I was only commenting on the above posters comment that Kerry just needs to get his campaign started as if that would really matter.
Bylimet Spiritwalker
09-07-2004, 06:54 PM
Because we are faced with two evils, most folks arestill tossing that coin between which is the worse. Kerry has done a pathetic job of presenting himself as a forceful leader who will plot a course for the country. We all know the faults of Bush. Neither candidate has given cause to feel the country has a direction which will return us to a better economy, reduced healthcare costs, more jobs, and a secure country.
I am sure Bush/Cheney will continue the attack on Kerry's record in the Senate, which provides sufficient fodder to keep the focus off most other topics. And, the antagonistic attitude toward trial lawyers being what it is will allow for the negative attacks toward Edwards.
I would not be surprised to hear more from the Kerry/Edwards camp on the missing paperwork from Bush's military records, which at the very least would have resulted in disciplinary action for the officer's responsible for the reports not being present, and if taken seriously would be just cause to have charged Bush with being AWOL for at least four months during his service. Any pilot missing a medical checkup and being grounded from flying raised an immediate red flag, especially in those times when not following "the program" could cost you your National Guard slot and result in transfer to the list of those eligible for active service (Viet nam); the records of the required investigation into why he lost flight status are nowhere to be found, nor is the written acknowledgement from Bush that he received the orders grounding him, nor the reports of formal counseling required after he missed more than three training sessions. Also conspicuously absent is the signed statement from Bush acknowledging he coiuld be called to active duty if he did not promptly transfer to another guard unit after leaving Texas; it took him four months before was approved to train with the Alabama guard. (I will not be surprised to hear some commentary on these missing papers and the related topic of having gotten into the Guard ahead of the many already on the waiting list as a favor to Bush Sr, whose affiliation with the CIA surely will not be missed when the topics of missing information that could be harmful to his son's future is discussed.)
If these issues are discussed by the Kerry camp, as well as Cheney's involvement in violating UN/US sanctions by dealing with Iran as Kerry has started to tentatively touch on in recent speechs, it may bring the debate back to a more even case of "which is worse"; but, that may still not be enough to offset Kerry's lack of depth in his Senate record, and his wavering stance on so many issues.
The only poll that matters is the one in November.
VOTE McCAIN:D
DiscW
09-07-2004, 09:49 PM
That's what I've been hearing for the past two elections.
Well, there are bigger reasons getting people to care now. Clinton getting some on the side didn't get the younger crowd to care. Going to war on iraq for questionable reasons, and the Patriot Act thing (among many others reasons) is definetly getting us interested, from what I've seen. Clinton/Dole and Gore/Bush weren't exactly the most exciting races.
Crist0
09-07-2004, 09:49 PM
We went from "Bush didn't get a bounce!" to "well polls don't matter" now eh?
Kerry's done barring some miracle and he knows it, that's why he redid his campaign staff.
Oh, and I'd vote for Hillary before I'd vote for McCain.
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