My girlfriend got tired of EQ2 (all we did was raid) and she doesn't quite like WoW despite getting to level 60. She's incredibly smart yet has a learning disability when it comes to reading so I can't help but think Eve Online would be difficult for her. We both also played CoH/CoV and loved it ... but it got old after a while.

So I can't figure out what we haven't played / tried that people still play this long after release (meaning it has some staying power). LotR? SWG?

It's true, I only play EQ2 to raid anymore myself. I understand that feeling.

Over the weekend I gave Vanguard another try, something I swore I would never do and I found myself pleasantly surprised. It's full of depth, possibly too much for me.... it's something I probably could see myself playing if I wasn't so into EQ2 and LoTRO. You guys might want to try LoTRO or Vanguard if you like the fantasy genre. I like them both but still feel the pull in EQ2 the most.

Aside from that I spend ALLOT of time playing TF2 and other games on Steam in addition to console games here and there. I don't have one thing that pulls me in and keeps me anymore. I think we probably have similar styles and attention span with games b/c I like everything I play it just gets old after a while :p

Everquest 1. Over 10 years and still going strong.

:devil

I'm been playing LOTRO lately. VERY well polished game and with a faily decent machine, the game literally embraces you with it's great music and graphics.

You can buy the game and it's two expansions for $10 online and it comes with 30 free days. Worth every penny!

Toontown. :) Works best with 2 players anyway!

Seriously, these days all the rage is free to play plus paid items. Time to explore which one you want to spend bucks in for people our age who grew up with EQ. Better to spend our time making real dollars to improve our position in the game than spending time in game. Trust me, you'll just get impatient, otherwise. Grinding is only fun the very first time. :)

Free to play games are infested with children and "l33t d3wdz" - I'd rather not :) It'd almost be as bad as putting up with Trikki in EQ1.

LotR sounds pretty solid, since its newer we wouldn't be as far behind the curve as with some. Has anyone tried SWG? And is there anything I'm not thinking of?

Come on Kelraz, I read a lot of your old posts on the RiP archives, you were a long winded drama queen. I get along with almost everyone. Dork. (At least it wasn't a veiled insult) ;)

:devil

I'm really not playing anything online atm. Don't have much time to invest in anything right now. I've played a grand total of 30 minutes of EQ since I got back from vacation more than two weeks ago. Though my trader is still up and running, just for shits and grins.

Just been playing the new guitar hero for the last few days, that's about all I have time for anymore.

I'm still half-heartedly playing WoW - but I've largely turned raid leading and day-to-day management of our guild to one of our more recently elevated officers (started in BC and less burned out than most of us) and I pop in to help out on raids and manage policy and applicant issues. Eventually I'd imagine I'll slide out of that as well as RL is interesting me more these days :).

Perhaps something new will come out that, like WoW, was just so pretty and popcorn-fun that I'll start up with another MMORPG, but right now I don't see myself ever settling in for a long committment with another game again...

Regards,
Nydia

Actually, most of my time these days is spent in www.warstorm.com because i like card games. The free to play part is more like "free to try tutorial", with a real need to plop down serious bucks if you want to play for real. A new expansion comes out tomorrow, so now's a good time to start anyway and not screw up too badly.

I tend to drop 150 bucks a month into it...typical of how much I spent in Magic: the Gathering back in the day.

oooooh now that looks interesting.....I'll check that out.

they recently pushed some MTG type thing to xbox live, I just haven't checked it out yet. I love a good card game. We play Killer Bunnies religiously at work during our lunch break.

I drifted back to EVE. Don't know about her reading disability, but EVE has a brutal learning curve. After that, the reading isn't so bad, except for the abysmal font choices that CCP uses.

I'm waiting for a good scifi MMO to come out, something like what SWG should have been. That's something I'd embrace fully.

In the meantime, I've been enjoying single player games - there are a lot of good/decent games on Amazon for cheap, down to say a buck or two.

Kanyli, since skilling up is time based, can you even start a new char and be competitive this late into the game?

I've been playing Warhammer Online recently. Very much PVP centered, with some decent PVE (though I'm not max level yet so I can't speak to the quality of end game content). Class balance is kind of hokey between the two sides, each class basically has a carbon copy on the opposing faction. It makes things balanced in the sense that each side has each other's classes (with some differing abilities and mechanics). Each class (and its mirror) has its own unique class mechanic, which I think is nifty.

Each army (High Elves, Dwarves, Empire on the Order side, Dark Elves, Orcs, Chaos on Destruction side) has 4 classes, each with a fairly strict role (hell, it even says these on the character creation) that they fall into: Tank, Melee DPS, Ranged DPS, Healer. Healers and tanks especially have specs that let them stray outside of that role and dabble in other areas, but generally speaking a dps specced tank won't be as dangerous in damage as a melee DPS, but longer lived.

I'm looking forward to Champions Online moreso than any other game at the moment, with the possible exception being the as of yet nebulous Warhammer 40k MMO.

As long as you join a good corporation it isn't too hard to catch up. With a good corp that has support and mentors for it's members it doesn't matter if your new or a long-term player imho. Can solo also but a lot more fun with a good corp.
You'd don't have to fight either if you don't want to. Can trade, mine and just explore if you want but it's fun to do combat/missions once in a while.
As for LoTRO, i like it but haven't been able to play it for a while due to real life concerns. As i have the lifetime sub, it's nice to be able to stop playing for a while and not have to worry about it expiring when i return.
Great game tho.
I like EQ2, but since i couldn't really find a guild that raids in my time slot, (Was either too late or too early) i've let the sub run out till i can play it more.
:D

I've been playing Warhammer Online recently. Very much PVP centered, with some decent PVE (though I'm not max level yet so I can't speak to the quality of end game content). Class balance is kind of hokey between the two sides, each class basically has a carbon copy on the opposing faction. It makes things balanced in the sense that each side has each other's classes (with some differing abilities and mechanics). Each class (and its mirror) has its own unique class mechanic, which I think is nifty.

Each army (High Elves, Dwarves, Empire on the Order side, Dark Elves, Orcs, Chaos on Destruction side) has 4 classes, each with a fairly strict role (hell, it even says these on the character creation) that they fall into: Tank, Melee DPS, Ranged DPS, Healer. Healers and tanks especially have specs that let them stray outside of that role and dabble in other areas, but generally speaking a dps specced tank won't be as dangerous in damage as a melee DPS, but longer lived.

I'm looking forward to Champions Online moreso than any other game at the moment, with the possible exception being the as of yet nebulous Warhammer 40k MMO.


I loved WAR until I hit the cap then it just sucked. Destruction outnumbered Order for the longest time and so Order would only do scenarios and no RvR. I quit and Order started outnumbering Destruction. I hope they have fixed some of the more annoying things like when taking keeps and locking zones if the other side doesn't show up the attacking side still gets points and can lock the zone. The other annoying thing? zone crashes, they happened constantly :(

I keep up with the WHA forums though and suspect if I see some of these more annoying issues fixed I'll return. It was such a fun game :)

Have they changed it where the WE no longer are the golden children of WAR?

WH are supposed to be their equal and it's just not going to happen, or at least it wasn't going to happen when I quit.

They're pretty squishy now Fandros, I can usually kill them on my warrior priest even with the healing cut. I prefer WH's to them, if only because the burst damage capability seems a lot better when its done through a controlled attack.

Kanyli, since skilling up is time based, can you even start a new char and be competitive this late into the game?I'd second what Crystana said. The biggest downside is that you can't powerlevel, so catching up is a challenge. But there's sort of a point of diminishing returns on many skills, and higher level pilots mostly just have more ships available to them than anything else. Generally speaking, anyhow.

The way the EVE skills work is that you get about 95% of what can out of any specific ship class inside about a month or two, so if you've been playing for 3 years you may be a little bit better than a newer player but it's mostly that you can be as good in dozens of different roles.

It's a neat concept.

I found EvE to be HUGE in scope, but often found myself falling asleep due to the awesome, yet relaxing music LOL. Same problem I have with the movie Blade Runner, always knocks me out.

I'd say this is about right:

http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/0803/LearningCurve.jpg

haha

Eve sounds interesting, I may need to check out that trial.

theres hundreds of people dying in Iran how dare you make a thread about gaming!

Oh yeah, if anyone wants to get 2 free months of Eve send a buddy invite. We'll probably make accts over the long weekend if not a bit sooner.

chadhorn (at) chadhorn (dot) net

marthunt (at) gmail (dot) com

LMAO! Kanyli you hit it right on the head!

That was funny, Kanyli! :D

I really like the political aspect of eve, and reading about it. Playing it was another story. And apparently my Corp had some kind of big drama, split while I was gone, so I don't even have a guild =x

I sent you a pair of invites - I think they came from an old character, "Ferrin."

Not played anything since EQ1 (well, the token brief spell in EQ2 for about 5 days straight after).

I don't think I can stomach another MMO - more than that, I wouldn't play any other guild-orienated game without Jokers, and that ain't gonna happen.

Nor do I have the time or life-style anymore.

You'd be surprised how different the games are Halo. For one, you don't need ~30 people to raid anymore. WoW made every raid available to 10 people, and it all being instanced you can do it at your leisure. Truthfully, you don't even need a guild, you can just go LFG to find raids like these. Obviously it changed the end-game culture a ton and is much more casual than EQ could ever be. EQ2 is kinda more middle ground, but it even has 12-man raids. Hell, I run a business and I'm creating a TV show from the ground up and still can find an hour or two to play a day - its far better than watching Dancing With Stars' Grandmothers or whatever crap is on TV.

I watch Bones! Not reality tv! Damn you sir!

Problem is Kel - I actually liked the guild/raid aspect of EQ1 the most. I wasn't complaining about games needing guilds, just that it wouldn't re-capture what was experienced with my original one in EQ1.

I dunno, all nostalgic lights for me. Which I think keeps me away the most.

Yeah that was mostly commenting on your time or life-style comment. The community is definitely lacking in these newer games since you aren't tied to the same small pool of people for hours on end camping monsters or dragons or whatever.

I sent you a pair of invites - I think they came from an old character, "Ferrin."

What corp/Alliance are you in Kanyli?

It's true, I only play EQ2 to raid anymore myself. I understand that feeling.

Over the weekend I gave Vanguard another try, something I swore I would never do and I found myself pleasantly surprised. It's full of depth, possibly too much for me.... it's something I probably could see myself playing if I wasn't so into EQ2 and LoTRO. You guys might want to try LoTRO or Vanguard if you like the fantasy genre. I like them both but still feel the pull in EQ2 the most.

Aside from that I spend ALLOT of time playing TF2 and other games on Steam in addition to console games here and there. I don't have one thing that pulls me in and keeps me anymore. I think we probably have similar styles and attention span with games b/c I like everything I play it just gets old after a while :p

Pretty much the same here.. Raid in EQ2 and even that has been scaled WAY back for me.... Wife LOVES eq2 though so we stay..lol If I had my way I'd live happily ever after for the rest of my days in LOTRO but we just can't swing accounts for 2 different games atm....

What corp/Alliance are you in Kanyli?I was gone for a couple of years, so I lost my corp. Right now I'm just enjoying playing solo until I get some skillpoints up. I'm at the 5mil mark, and still working on level 3 missions.

The last corp I was in kept me too busy to have time to mission, so I'm waiting just a bit, and shopping around. I used to be in a great anti-pirate corp. We'd bait them with convoys or ransom targets, or low sec mining targets.

Unfortunately, either everything has changed or I forgot how to fight, I feel like a new player, and I lost a couple of ships recently to stupid moves. Probes are a big change.

I could never get into EVE no matter how appealing it sounded because I never had anyone to play it with except for 1 or 2 friends who made fun of the game because we "took a ship out and shot lasers at floating space rocks"

I loved the graphical aspect of EVE and the stories I heard always got me excited, too bad I can never get in with a good active corp in that game when I start out.

My daughter DL'd Wizard 101... Ya know.. It aint half bad for the Toon town Model of a game.

Started that first epic quest chain today in Eve. Definitely enjoying myself, but its so overwhelmingly confusing. I have a ship, it has guns, and they shoot stuff - but I dunno if this is the best ship or the worst or how to tell the difference.

I jumped back into EQ over a year ago. Some reason or another I like it a lot, the X360 has sat iddle since I started playing. Came back to A.R. (Tribunal now) and hooked up with a bunch of folks I used to play with years ago and met a ton of very nice people that I never played with before. Raiding is damn fun in the game yet, always liked it even in the old days, although the solid competition is gone with instanced zones but its just a differen't style of competition now. Much like Kelraz, I quit EQ for a solid 3-4 years...didnt play any other video game (PC online), other than some Xbox360FPS, and started watching TV on my down times at night. That got way old, I got bored, and before you knew it EQ was back on my PC and that is my nightly entertainment again.

Started that first epic quest chain today in Eve. Definitely enjoying myself, but its so overwhelmingly confusing. I have a ship, it has guns, and they shoot stuff - but I dunno if this is the best ship or the worst or how to tell the difference.The EVE forum for Ships and Modules is a good resource, or battleclinic.com. I wouldn't worry too much about it starting out, the lower levels of the game are pretty forgiving.

I'm on level 4 missions now, and getting my butt kicked. I have a lot to learn about ship fittings still.

Holler at me some time - character name is Allete.

Still playing EQ1. Still on an on again, off again basis. Right now its off again. When I am on, I am in an Aussie guild on the Rathe. They are middle of the road but a good bunch. Lately though I think I have gotten a bit bored and work has gotten a bit chaotic, which means I have gotten a bit grumpy in game and have chosen to distance myself from it at least for this month. Its summer and I am trying to spend some time outside and AWAY from the embassy which looms in my window as a not so subtle reminder since its right across the street so no games are really getting played other than a few stand alones. I don't own a TV, and not like there is much on. AFN or Chinese programming which is US or Chinese propaganda =P. Take your pick. I do get Netflix here and have been watching episodes of BattleStar Gallatica and reading books when not out tipping a pint somewhere.

Anyway, I will be back on EQ in August. Damn game just doesn't seem to die with me.

It keeps calling me, but my play time is VERY limited, especially with the birth of my second son two weeks ago! Hehe, hoping to play more though.

If there is a casual friendly guild starting up with people from this board, I'd be very interested in joining.

especially with the birth of my second son two weeks ago! Hehe, hoping to play more though.

Gratz Bin!, my second son is just turning 5 months today. Your work load didn't just double, it exponentially grew!

I haven't been able to log on to EQ since March due to my busiest year ever and in a recession even. I actually made time in my schedule to log on tonight. Its a free night and I just plan on trying to get into a group or do a bit of Ranger plink soloing. Hopefully I will remember where the autofire button is =)

I want desperately to get back into the game but I just have way to much on my plate atm. Maybe in January.


Cheers,

Thanks! Hehe, he's awesome! His big brother is taking it VERY well, and has been a huge help (he's almost 6 now).

Eric (my eldest) just got over chicken pox, and now Alex (my newborn son) has them. My wife had them as a child so it is our hope that her immunity will make this bout of chicken pox a mere inconvenience. :)

I'm thinking REALLY hard about resupping, just to give it another try. Damnable EQ and it's never ending story!

BTW free LoTRO weekend if you've ever held an active account....

Yeah hehe, LOTRO is what I'm playing now. REALLY hard to give up!

Come on over to the 51/50 server, buy yerself a merc, and git crackalackin' no need for massive time any more.

Come on over to the 51/50 server, buy yerself a merc, and git crackalackin' no need for massive time any more.

What's the point of playing online if the rest of your party is going to be npcs?

You can drop a friend in the group and toss in a couple merc healers and get playing.......OR you can sit with your friend and wait and wait and wait and wait to put together a perfect group healer slower tank ect and do it old school as well. For me sitting around waiting for groups because lack of a)healer b)tank burnt my ass out when I only had a 30 min window to play.

So the mercenary fills a spot in your group? Does he suck? How does it work can you choose their class?

You can choose the class either War or Cleric. They semi suck at lower levels but once you complete Tier 5 in Sod, which for a player like you wouldnt be that hard...they become pretty damn amazing. The cleric mercs dont run oom to often they buff as soon as your buffs drop, they rez, never go AFK!! Playing necro still I dont use them as often as someone who is a straight melee but they allow me to do things I would of never been able to do. I have even seen Clerics get cleric mercs and they can do some damn fun things as well or you could get a Warrior merc and do the traditional thing.

The tank merc was tanking pop mobs easily in the 50's. Unslowed, at least the tier 1. It is a better tank than any player at that level.

While cool it shows the state that the game mechanics caused :(

You couldnt do much even 8-10 years ago if you didnt have the right group...ever sit at the zone in at Seb LFG for hours? Ever sit at the zone in at Velks LFG for hours? It sucked.

Not really, I was able to find groups fairly quickly in the hay day if not I kited for fun. But my point is the game mechanics caused the need for non-players to exist for players. And b/c the majority of people typically log in to raid and that's it.

That is true, or box armys. But I do all the above....group, solo, use mercs, box..whatever. Honestly I find the game a lot more fun now a days than I used to 8+ years ago. Some things I miss but at least the "quest" part of EQ has rewards worth the quests.

The best part of EQ in my opinion was the competition. Now every game has everything instanced, there really isn't a competitive nature at all - its like playing a multiplayer game at home on the XBox.
That's one of the things I like about Eve, albeit I've only been playing a week or two. If you don't like someone, blow their space station up!

Believe it or not there is still competition, although different. The competition now is how far has your raid guild gone in progression. Now no one has an excuse of being cock blocked by another guild....they have access to the tools needed to progress, how hard and how well you work with each other determines the outcomes. There are still plenty of haves and have nots with in the game.

You couldnt do much even 8-10 years ago if you didnt have the right group...ever sit at the zone in at Seb LFG for hours? Ever sit at the zone in at Velks LFG for hours? It sucked.This was one of the leading reasons I quit, both EQ1 and EQ2. If I only have a couple hours to play, I don't want to spend them LFG. I definately don't want to spend a couple of hours LFG and then ghave to leave a group 20 min later - and if you did get a group early on, that assumed the group was half competent.

What race are you flying for in EVE, Kelraz?

Gallente, dunno if its a good choice or not but I'm a few weeks deep in training now and hardly want to restart :)

I'm Gallente, partially for the drones. It doesn't really matter anymore - you can train any race you want down the line. I can fly Minmatar frigs because I like the Rifter in PVP, for example, and I picked up projectile weapons to go with the ship. Most of my concentration is Gallente ships/skills.

Update, 61 merc is tanking BoT unslowed. Pretty damn sick.

EQ's screw-the-player NPC combat code is good for something after all!

Gosh, so that's what it ultimately came to - conjuring group members?

ROFLMAO! If you'd have told me that 5 years ago, well, actually, I may have believed it!!

Evolone and myself are playing EQ again on Luclin. Been back about a month now. My only complaint is the dumb introduction of 36man hard raids when you have healthy 54 man rosters. Anyways sitting out is fun feels like WOW all over again :devil

Just be lucky you can field 54 for raids, we are lucky to field 30 on most days (summer sucks for raiding). So the hard raids provide a good risk vs. reward for those people who feel like raiding.

Maybe so but with an expansion on the horizon with a 54 raid cap it's pretty stupid. If they were planning to lower the raid cap to 36 in the upcoming expansion I could see this being realistic but it's not. Not to mention the random essences dropping now instead of the default ones to that encounter. Clearly most guilds need more chest Essences *sarcasm off*.

IF SOE wants to wowify EQ they can at least try to do it the non lazy way. Like making actual hard versions of encounters with same numbers vs just requiring less people to do it. Hard mode isnt even hard mode considering my guild cleared it first night. Yup hard is hard :(

You can still do the same raids with 54 and 36, essentially farming both instances of the same encounters. Its an opportunity for more gear, no one is stopping people from doing 54 but much like Meno said, the 36 leaves the doors open for people who like to raid, and allowing others to actually go do something else on off nights..36 man raids are just something more to do when everything is dead with 54 man raids.

That is fine and dandy but what happens when you have the same 45+ people showing up for normal then hard(these are not optional for attendance) mode as well. All I am saying is when you join a progression raiding guild you join because you usually like to raid not because you want to xp while your guild mates raid or stare at GH walls and play the AFK game.

As I said before if they were planning to downsize raids to 36 in underfoot I wouldnt care so much as rosters would need to be trimmed down anyways. However, since they will remain 54 in underfoot at least at this point guilds will see people moving on at some point in the next 4 months if they are constantly benched because they were unlucky to not choose one of the OP classes in EQ. Hell we even rotate our healers and tanks since we have a fairly healthy population of the 2 so it is not even just certain DPS classes feeling this.

Either way I was not trying to argue to each his/her own. I was just stating how I feel about it :)

/cheers
~Lao

Problem is SOE is evil in everyones eyes, no matter what they do someone will eventually bitch because it does not fit their playstyle or their guild schedule.

For those guilds that can actually field 54 man raids, there are tons of bitching going on the boards, why ? because it doesnt cater to their numbers.

For those guilds that field a healthy 54+ and can acutally run 2 instances at once, they have more shit to farm and dont necessarily bitch as much as group 1.

For mid-tier guilds it provides another means to get loot to gear up, because they are lucky to field 30+ or even the right mix of classes to actually do the raid, so once they got it on farm they can do it on easy and hard and get more loot to gear up.

All and all, the 36 hard (hard because people cant throw 54 people at it, but are limited to 36) helped mid-tier guilds out the most that have a hard time fielding 54 man raids.

For the next expansion, they will probably have both options, such as LDoN was when it came out. Offer hard and easy versions. But that is just speculation on my side.

It would be interesting for them to release 54 and 36 at the same time. If they make it as difficult as they said they were going to *one can hope* you will then have the opposite happening. The mid tier guilds will then bitch that their 36 player is way to hard because they didn't have time to farm the 54 man version which they struggle with due to low numbers(if tuned properly unlike SOD).

So we will see how that plays out if that happens.

What should happen is 36 man should be the easy version with a scaled down version of the events(lesser hitting aoe, less adds, lesser hp for boss, etc...) but at the same time the gear should be appropriate to the lvl of difficulty. If it was a joke in difficulty compared to hard version(54) i'd say a tier lower would suffice for stats as it would be comparable to the previous tier hard mode.

Then the 54 man version should have harder hitting aoe adds and boss hp just to name a few with superior rewards to the 36 man version as well as quantity. I think they got it right as far as amount of loots dropping in 36 vs 54.

If they truely want to help the mid tier guilds that is how they should do it. Then when the xpac launches mid tier guilds have something to do appropriate to the amount of players they have. Then when they have farmed the gear to be rdy to tackle the 54 player version they can reap the rewards. And I would not say "o well guilds beat the 54 player SOD events with lower numbers early on". This should tell you the events were not properly tuned to the 54 player cap and hopefully this will not be the case for Underfoot.

I am glad some guilds are benefiting from this right now but like I said if they release both at same time in Underfoot it will be an interesting show for sure if the events are properly tuned.

Regards,
~Lao

Problem is SOE is evil in everyones eyes, no matter what they do someone will eventually bitch because it does not fit their playstyle or their guild schedule.I'm just still holding a grudge over SWG, which probably was enough to make them perma evil in my eyes. :devil

You have ruined your own games, you'll not ruin mine!
Kanyli hits you for 1983498234783 damage!
LOADING, PLEAST WAIT......

I just want to know what Kinuvan is doing.

Starting a French Revolution

Rofl!

You have ruined your own games, you'll not ruin mine!
Kanyli hits you for 1983498234783 damage!
LOADING, PLEAST WAIT......Too funny...and don't I wish...

Lil late here.. but I'm still enjoying WoW. I'm in the perfect guild for me now, we only raid about 12 hours a week, but are the #1 guild on the (admittedly pretty meh) server. It's rather funny seeing the #2 guild spend literally twice as much time raiding as us and still be behind. I'm enjoying the game quite a bit without having to grind or put tons of time in.

PvP is at an all time low though. Bleh. I've gotten into checking out older fps that I never played lately instead, just finished call of duty 2.

im in the same boat DiscW i still play but i dont raid any more even though my guild is top 5 or so in horde.
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I've been playing DAOC recently, on a private server just to see what the game is about. I have to say, its really nice playing a game that isn't coy about the grind system. I'm playing one of our two tanks (a Hero, on Hibernia), which feels very much like a warrior to me in EQ, right around when the endurance changes were in their infant stages. We've been dungeon crawling a lot, which is absolutely awesome to me, especially when we find a good place to camp out. I've pretty much given up on Warhammer for now I think, it just isn't that interesting anymore.

Been playing WOW for several years in top end guilds raiding 30+ hrs a week. Finally getting burned out on the raiding thing. Currently looking for a new game, something more friendly to stops and starts. Thinking the new Star Wars MMO looks real good and seems more single player'ish.

I currenty play WoW. Been working on my Blood Elf Warlock, as of late. I like the soloing aspect as well as the ability to Group in WoW.

Account bound items are keeping me going in WOW at the moment, but I think I am done raiding. In 3.2 they have new Chest and new Weapons but you have to do the dailies to get them.

I've been playing DAOC recently, on a private server just to see what the game is about. I have to say, its really nice playing a game that isn't coy about the grind system. I'm playing one of our two tanks (a Hero, on Hibernia), which feels very much like a warrior to me in EQ, right around when the endurance changes were in their infant stages. We've been dungeon crawling a lot, which is absolutely awesome to me, especially when we find a good place to camp out. I've pretty much given up on Warhammer for now I think, it just isn't that interesting anymore.

Did you try the new stuff in Warhammer, the land of the dead? Or is it not out yet? If so was it any good?

Also DaoC is going to merge their servers to create a pretty high population server or two. I never got very high on that game , I was still very addicted to EQ at the time, but the RVR sounds very fun,

I never maxed a character in warhammer. It was very hard for me to play that game without a group of friends, and we sort of broke apart playing catchup with new alts, new people joining/leaving, etc. We also were on a server where destruction was not on top of the pile (full of silly people), which made it very hard to rvr for any length of time. I did wander into the land of the dead a couple times, and it looked interesting, but we just weren't high enough level to do anything.

From what I saw, it was very much meant to be the pve content that the game just didn't really have much of. Lots of what looked like fun public quests, and some were supposedly pretty challenging. I don't have anything against the game, but without a group of steady people to play with, I had no intention of sticking around. DAOC I haven't had a chance to do RVR in, but supposedly its pretty much in line with Warhammer's ideas (which makes sense, both are Mythic games).

I have Warhammer also, but had the same problem of no one to play it with. So if you ever decide to go back let me know!

WAR was fun until level 40.

I actually installed WoW yesterday for the 10 day trial, meh we'll see how it goes. The latest rumors about the direction of EQ2 have really spurned me. They are going to implement a gear degradation with the next expac so I'm bummed about that. Their thoughts are that your gear will degrade at level 81. I can understand my gear needing to be replaced but to punish me for levelling sucks =\ Why even continue to raid till Feb at this point?

Still playing LOTRO but have been REALLY resisting the urge to try EQ again with the new NPC system. There's so much positive feedback it's sick!

WAR was fun until level 40.

I actually installed WoW yesterday for the 10 day trial, meh we'll see how it goes. The latest rumors about the direction of EQ2 have really spurned me. They are going to implement a gear degradation with the next expac so I'm bummed about that. Their thoughts are that your gear will degrade at level 81. I can understand my gear needing to be replaced but to punish me for levelling sucks =\ Why even continue to raid till Feb at this point?

That is retarded.I hope they don't implement that. I still find EQ2 more fun than WoW.

Well we'll see where they go with it but they keep saying it is a definite. Basically it's SoE's way of fixing their goofs in the last 2 expacs.

Here's some discussion on it, it's a very hot topic atm. http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=454357