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Taleren Bloodsong
04-07-2008, 08:02 AM
Now in early April, who would you vote for this month?

Fandros
04-07-2008, 09:01 AM
McCain for me atm.

The bloom is off the rose for Obama, he still speaks for change but shows he's all about the same ole same ole.

Clinton, errr hell no. She lies and says she merely mispoke about an alledged sniping attempt.

Ibudin
04-07-2008, 09:45 AM
Obama or bust!

Jedd Corpse
04-07-2008, 10:19 AM
Still Obama

Ailwon
04-07-2008, 10:22 AM
Whomever runs against McCain...matters not who it is.

Taleren Bloodsong
04-07-2008, 10:24 AM
I'll vote for Obama if he gets the nod. I don't know yet how I'll vote if he doesn't. If there's a third name on the ballot, I'll probably vote for that person.

giena
04-07-2008, 10:28 AM
Still McCain for me, dont agree with all of his policies, but I agree with more of his than I do any other candidate.

Otherwise, ABC, Anybody But Clinton.

Greystone Thorngage
04-07-2008, 11:15 AM
if Gore would only run! But obama all the way at this point.

fildien
04-07-2008, 11:16 AM
Still undecided :(

Cados Evilsbane
04-07-2008, 11:40 AM
I'm for McCain atm.

Why is Gore even an option on this list? Tons of people could be added if we were speaking about hypothetical candidates as well.

Starrla
04-07-2008, 11:44 AM
I just want someone who will only build education not break it down.

Make sure folks have healthcare without bankrupting our hospitals and driving our future healthcare workers from entering that line of work. I do not want socialized medicine to accomplish that.

Too add...someone who is not going to tax the middle class and who will consider taxing the companies that make over 1 billion a year :D

Anyone with those ideas has my vote. :)

Taleren Bloodsong
04-07-2008, 12:09 PM
I'm for McCain atm.

Why is Gore even an option on this list? Tons of people could be added if we were speaking about hypothetical candidates as well.

I added Gore and Bloomberg because of recent discussions about them potentially entering the race, including Gore potentially getting the Democratic nod. I also added them because people complained last month when I didn't have a 'potential' candidate in the list of whom to vote.

Thormir
04-07-2008, 01:13 PM
Obama. McCain is Bush with more war. No thanks.

Bylimet Spiritwalker
04-07-2008, 06:33 PM
I will not vote none of the above, but am having some doubts about McCain after the last couple week's gaffes. His age is the only real concern I have had, and I want to watch the coming campaign and debates more closely before making a final decision.

Hillary lost my consideration as a candidate when she did that ridiculous lying about landing under sniper fire. She did not need that story to bolster her credibility as a knowledgeable candidate, and using it showed desperation, and I don't want someone leading the country who will react like that in times of stress.

Obama has shown hints of real potential, but he is dishonest, in my eyes. He is really no different than the business as usual we have had the last several elections. His fund-raising and blurring of the earlier commitment on matching funds, his handling of both the Wright questions and relationship with the guy under indictment in Chicago, his haste in making responses to tough questions rather than checking out facts first (as in the comments of his senior campaign aide to the Canadian government regarding NAFTA) that he then has to expend time in correcting, all add up to a candidate that is not prepared to fulfill what his campaign pledges. He knows he is not ready yet for such a position, but is allowing his ego and arrogance, and the desperate desire of most Americans to have substantial change from the Bush-Cheney cabal as well as dislike of the Clintons, to lead him into what could be a glorious moment in our country's history regarding race relations or an even more dysfunctional presidency than we have suffered the past two elections. Unfortunately, most of his supporters I have talked with seem not to care either way, as long as he gets elected.

Paul had an extensive grass-roots effort going among the college age folks with his straight talk about what the country needs to be doing to get it's collective head out of it's ass, but he has two things going against him: he is an old white man, and he has little name recognition.

Nader is a joke.

I would watch Gore's campaign closely, because I always liked him and the way he presented himself as a man who revered the country he lived in and served.

So, at this point, I am still waiting for more to happen to make a concrete decision, but am not as confident in the Democrat choices, which are more designed to be historic than to be effective.

Kanyli
04-07-2008, 09:06 PM
I'll vote for Obama if he gets the nod. I don't know yet how I'll vote if he doesn't. If there's a third name on the ballot, I'll probably vote for that person.Sums up my feelings very nicely.

Sanchek
04-07-2008, 09:55 PM
To make this poll reflect how primary voting has been conducted thusfar, I think I should mysteriously drop all of Ron Paul's votes, and then move half of McCain's to Hillary.

Haloface
04-08-2008, 01:39 PM
From an outsiders view - because none of you guys will talk European/British politics I have to get a view in here somewhere! - I'd say Obama, he has the rhetoric, whether or not he has the follow through. And that's what counts in elections, unfortunately.

Besides, black president? That's just really cool.

Sixee
04-08-2008, 02:28 PM
Besides, black president? That's just really cool.


I can only assume you mean: "Having a Democratically Elected President of African descent certainly would go a long way to dispelling any percieved racial issues other countries have against the United States."

I'm still undecided. I liked Obama in the last poll, because I think the country needs to move in a new direction. I also like McCain's stances on several issues, but he smacks of the current administration, too much. Hillary? Um.......no.

I heard McCain might take on Condeleeza as VP. Now how would the Dems counter that?

Sanchek
04-08-2008, 02:32 PM
I'll most likely write in Ron Paul, but I might actually vote for Gore if he ran.

I'm horrified of Gore getting increased leverage for his carbon tax ideas, but I bet he'd be pretty good otherwise. He's definitely got more International cred than anyone else currently in the race, which we could really use about now.

Nekko1
04-08-2008, 02:33 PM
I heard McCain might take on Condeleeza as VP. Now how would the Dems counter that?


By giving 20 million illegal aliens citizenship and free healthcare.

Taleren Bloodsong
04-08-2008, 02:43 PM
From an outsiders view - because none of you guys will talk European/British politics I have to get a view in here somewhere! - I'd say Obama, he has the rhetoric, whether or not he has the follow through. And that's what counts in elections, unfortunately.

Besides, black president? That's just really cool.

A black sheriff? Why not? It worked on blazing saddles!!

Jedd Corpse
04-08-2008, 03:25 PM
By giving 20 million illegal aliens citizenship and free healthcare.

Wasn't McCain one of the architects along with Ted Kennedy of the Amnesty thingamabob?

Greystone Thorngage
04-08-2008, 03:48 PM
wait wait wait....how could Gore get the nomination? i need to know how this would work so i could facilitate it.

Sanchek
04-08-2008, 03:52 PM
I assume he'd run third party.

Sixee
04-08-2008, 03:59 PM
Heh, Green Party nominee? I think the Libertarians have a better chance, than that bag of wingnuts.....

Taleren Bloodsong
04-08-2008, 04:03 PM
What I read is that if a consensus couldn't be had at the Democratic Convention for a candidate that Gore could be suggested. I don't know how realistic it would be, but I have seen it mentioned in more than one place.

ainwein
04-08-2008, 04:28 PM
I'm probably not going to vote.

I don't care about politicians lying - guess what, they all do. If you do not vote someone because you think they are a liar, you are right, and a complete moron.

I don't care that Clinton made up some story about a sniper attack. I don't care that Obama knows some guy who says inflammatory remarks. I don't care that McCain might have slept with some lady, or has made funny jokes about bombing Iran.

Unfortunately, 99% of Americans do, and these "issues" are going to mandate who the next President of the United States is. It's fucking amazing to me that despite all of the tribulations that this country and the world face, we STILL choose the leader of the free world based on some fucking People magazine bullshit.

It is a very sad state of affairs.

Fandros
04-08-2008, 04:40 PM
Lying and flat out vacillating when it comes to a story told to try and state who you are is very serious. It's about trust and character.

Sorry Ainwein, as pretensious as you make it sound wanting the truth is not "people" magazine.

The other two subjects could however be argued to indeed be "people" magazine.

I expect nothing less from the disaffected college student than to throw away your civic duty. Don't vote, but please to leave the political forums okay? If you don't vote you don't have an opinion imho.

Ciao, see you in 4 years!!

ainwein
04-08-2008, 05:08 PM
Sorry Ainwein, as pretensious as you make it sound wanting the truth is not "people" magazine.Jack Nicholson has something to say about this.

Flat out - ALL POLITICIANS LIE. SOME get caught. If anything, vote for someone who hasn't gotten caught because they are obviously more adept at hiding their skeletons, but don't vote because you think one person is a liar and the others are not. People who do this are just rationalizing their already made up minds.


As far as civic duty - I 100% believe that everyone should vote. I do not, however, think that there is any 'duty' to vote. As you say, I am unsatisfied with the current situation in American electoral politics. Why, then, should I be forced to support it? How does that make my opinion any less valid? I've studied election politics fairly extensively, and have come to the conclusion that I do not want any part of it at this time. Are you advocating compulsory voting? Should I be forced to settle?

You realize that this nation was born out of a rejection of duty? A duty that extended much further back than the "people died so you can vote", which I'm sure you're going to bring out.

Sanchek
04-08-2008, 05:17 PM
Go write something in.

If you don't vote, you won't be expressing your dissatisfaction (or anything). You'll be added to a glib statistic regarding the low turnout MTV crowd, and you'll never get better choices.

Osgiliath666
04-08-2008, 08:04 PM
I, so far, will write in. Probably Thompson or Paul.. Maybe Tancredo. I can't support McCain and his support of illegal immigrants. Maybe if Rice joined as VP I MIGHT vote for her. While McCain is a horrible choice he'd still be better then a black separatist. But not much. Either way we are all screwed for another 4.

Bise
04-08-2008, 10:40 PM
McCain also, but I hate his stand on the second amend .... and a few other things also... plus he is the ugliest president since Jimmy Carter IMO.... which loses him points with me.

Thormir
04-08-2008, 11:58 PM
Sorry Bise, no hot Republican man love for you this time around. ;)

Kelraz Bladesinger
04-09-2008, 02:55 PM
If you asked me a year ago, I'd have picked McCain. He was the guy running down the middle who really looked like the peace maker we'd need to get all of our domestic shit together. However, watching him make all these changes just to appease the Republican base has disenfranchised me.

I was at his campaign HQ doing a video for Microsoft yesterday and he was tons of fun to work with. He was in a hurry (yesterday was a busy day for the guy as you can imagine) but gave us plenty of time to get the shots we needed, fed us snacks, and treated us like human beings - which is a far cry from the past experiences I've had with Hillary and even sometimes Obama. But knowing that he's so gung-ho war, at least on the outside, means I can never vote for him.

(On an aside, his entire campaign staff was either dorky looking white dudes or smoking hot white chicks with southern accents. Not a single minority in the room. That made me a little uncomfortable too.)

Jedd Corpse
04-09-2008, 03:02 PM
If you asked me a year ago, I'd have picked McCain. He was the guy running down the middle who really looked like the peace maker we'd need to get all of our domestic shit together. However, watching him make all these changes just to appease the Republican base has disenfranchised me.

I was at his campaign HQ doing a video for Microsoft yesterday and he was tons of fun to work with. He was in a hurry (yesterday was a busy day for the guy as you can imagine) but gave us plenty of time to get the shots we needed, fed us snacks, and treated us like human beings - which is a far cry from the past experiences I've had with Hillary and even sometimes Obama. But knowing that he's so gung-ho war, at least on the outside, means I can never vote for him.

(On an aside, his entire campaign staff was either dorky looking white dudes or smoking hot white chicks with southern accents. Not a single minority in the room. That made me a little uncomfortable too.)

Did you say smoking hot white chicks with southern accents?!?!?!??!?!

I am voting McCain!

Taleren Bloodsong
04-09-2008, 03:48 PM
You only like chicks with southern accents because by the time they say no, they already have.

Bylimet Spiritwalker
04-09-2008, 03:59 PM
(On an aside, his entire campaign staff was either dorky looking white dudes or smoking hot white chicks with southern accents. Not a single minority in the room. That made me a little uncomfortable too.)

That is surprising, considering the huge amount of latino voters in his home state, and his comments regarding immigration; I would have expected different.

akipt
04-09-2008, 04:00 PM
That's "no" with 3 syllables.

Jedd Corpse
04-09-2008, 04:49 PM
You only like chicks with southern accents because by the time they say no, they already have.

I like chicks with southern accents cause they are exotic!!!

I live in Los Angeles!~

Thormir
04-09-2008, 08:20 PM
I was at his campaign HQ doing a video for Microsoft yesterday and he was tons of fun to work with. He was in a hurry (yesterday was a busy day for the guy as you can imagine) but gave us plenty of time to get the shots we needed, fed us snacks, and treated us like human beings - which is a far cry from the past experiences I've had with Hillary and even sometimes Obama. This is part of why the press loves him. He goes out of his way to make sure they're fed, happy, and get plenty of access.

Kelraz Bladesinger
04-09-2008, 10:10 PM
This is part of why the press loves him. He goes out of his way to make sure they're fed, happy, and get plenty of access.

Hell yeah. I tell everyone about the PSA we were shooting with him ... like 3 years ago in August. He was standing on the steps of the Capitol and we were blasting him with 2 5k lights to make him not be a giant shadow compared to the bright white building behind him. He was sweating like crazy and stopped the shoot midway and invited us to go to Tortilla Coast with him for lunch, on him ... it was great!

Nekko1
04-09-2008, 10:34 PM
McCain bieng x military he knows how to take care fo the grunts and people beneath him for morale if nothing else.

akipt
04-10-2008, 10:33 PM
Where's McCain's eyepatch (http://cmpalmer.blogspot.com/2008/03/john-mccain-is-he-cylon.html)?

Nekko1
04-10-2008, 11:00 PM
lol was thinking more archie Bunker but there damn close. /cheers

fildien
04-11-2008, 08:22 AM
Where's McCain's eyepatch (http://cmpalmer.blogspot.com/2008/03/john-mccain-is-he-cylon.html)?

That was a good giggle this morning, thank you :)

Thormir
04-11-2008, 09:59 AM
McCain bieng x military he knows how to take care fo the grunts and people beneath him for morale if nothing else.
At least so long as they don't want to go to college (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-clark10apr10,0,1791314.story).

And the eyepatch thing kills me. Hah!

Bylimet Spiritwalker
04-11-2008, 04:53 PM
At least so long as they don't want to go to college (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-clark10apr10,0,1791314.story).

And the eyepatch thing kills me. Hah!

That was a nicely written article by Wesley Clark on the GI Bill, and both McCain's and the White House reprehensible lack of support to get it passed. It does not surprise me that Bush would prefer to keep soldiers reenlisting than to offer a college education that can provide access to better employment opportunities, but McCain being so dismissive of it when he could marshal the votes to bring it forward is beyond my understanding.

And the eyepatch comparisons were fantastic.

Bise
04-13-2008, 09:07 AM
Officers all have college (if I remember correctly). Warrant Officers have a specialty area which puts them in that status. But I do see the point you were trying to make.

velvetsilence
04-13-2008, 11:42 AM
The grand irony is that McCain, G.H. Bush, and many other senior republicans all recieved thier college education on the old G.I. bill.

Bylimet Spiritwalker
04-13-2008, 12:07 PM
The grand irony is that McCain, G.H. Bush, and many other senior republicans all recieved thier college education on the old G.I. bill.

I am having trouble finding verification of this, so can you link a source, please? Preferably including how much schooling was covered, seeing his GI Bill benefits were only available after qualifying service.

edit: McCain's attendance at the Naval Academy was prior to military service, and was made possible by his father and grandfather both being senior Admirals (the children of Congressional Medal of Honor recipients also used to have access to the Naval Academy and West Point as options for college). Following his return from Hanoi in early '73, while undergoing extensive rehabilitation, he was selected to attend the prestigious War College (where the military sends select officers considered for career promotions for advanced education in strategy and operations) and attended into '74. I am not aware of his using GI Bill benefits for that turn at the War College, but if someone has information I am unable to find, I would welcome your sharing it.