http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=2235

"A 13-year-old girl's sexual shenanigans have put a second man behind bars. Morris Williams, 22, told the judge he thought the girl was 18-years-old, but he found out Tuesday that ignorance is not a defense.

"Morris Williams' mother wailed as he went off to jail. The judge asked for media not to show 13-year-old Alisha Dean's face in court, but her pictures are all over her MySpace page and they portray a sexy, 19-year-old divorced woman.

"'She told me she had just turned 18,' Williams said.

"Williams said Dean picked him up on the street and after a few conversations they had sex. When he heard she was not 18, he went to her father.

"'He was like 'well, she's 13,' Williams said of a conversation with Dean's father.

"Williams said he never did it again, but Dean has done it before with 24-year-old Darwin Mills. Mills was sentenced to five years in prison."

OK, Morris Williams and Darwin Mills are idiots, but this is ridiculous--six years of prison between them and the only person they "harmed" is the person who victimized them. And I love the way the reporter refers to it as "a 13-year-old girl's sexual shenanigans." "Shenanigans"? Ha ha, it's a real riot.

I hope the girls house burns down with all of them trapped inside.

I love how REAL dishonesty isn't a crime in the least.

We had a case like that up in Ontario. Apparently the girls parents were gonna try and sue him and everything, but the judge threw it out of court. The defendants arguement was quite simple, "If she's not 19, what the hell is she doing in a night club at 1am in the morning?!?"

I'm sorry but if you fake your age, you get what you deserve. The ultimate question must be asked though, if these men were to be told that the girl was 13 before sex, would they still have had sex? I'm pretty sure they'd have dropped her like a hot potato. In the meantime, I believe her parents should be held responsible for the actions of their minor. Obviously there's not a lot of parenting going on there.

If you're 24 and you go after an 18 year old you are probably pretty skeevy to begin with ... but the girl probably needs some serious psychological care if she's pretending to be 18 to begin with (not to mention having sex at 13)

Well, being the only legal adults in the situation you can see why the law didn't have much leeway for them, but that is one seriously whacked out girl. I'm really surprised there isn't more of this as dietary issue are pushing puberty earlier, although 13 is pretty egregious.

Well, being the only legal adults in the situation you can see why the law didn't have much leeway for them, but that is one seriously whacked out girl. I'm really surprised there isn't more of this as dietary issue are pushing puberty earlier, although 13 is pretty egregious.There is more, we just don't hear a lot of the stories. pre-18's dating men in their 20's or 30's is not unheard of at all. Not that I'm advocating this in the slightest, but it does raise interesting questions about the future of our age of consent laws.

As a father of three boys, I'm scared to death. My oldest is 12 and will begin dating in a couple years..... there are horror stories of boys getting accused of things which follow them the rest of their lives........

More on this later.

If you're 24 and you go after an 18 year old you are probably pretty skeevy to begin with ... but the girl probably needs some serious psychological care if she's pretending to be 18 to begin with (not to mention having sex at 13)


A six year age difference is wrong? I don't even know what to say.

As far as the 13 year old girl goes, her parents are and should be made responsible for this especially since this is not the first incident.

A six year age difference is wrong? I don't even know what to say.

There is an AMAZING difference in maturity between 18 and 24 compared to say ... 24 and 30, 30 and 36, etc. Speaking as a 25 year old, if I brought a 19 year old home my friends never would let me hear the end of it. I know my friends can't even tolerate girls in college anymore, though I know that may be a personal thing.

There is an AMAZING difference in maturity between 18 and 24 compared to say ... 24 and 30, 30 and 36, etc. Speaking as a 25 year old, if I brought a 19 year old home my friends never would let me hear the end of it. I know my friends can't even tolerate girls in college anymore, though I know that may be a personal thing.

You should give less of a shit what your friends think. Most 25 year old guys are at about the maturity level of an 18 or 19 year old girl, girls grow up faster 95% of the time. Go out, get laid...bang as many 18, 19, 20 and on and on year olds as you can...get it out of your system because I can see it now...

Chad at 45 in his Vette convertible with his 19 year old trophy while his wife wonders where the hell he is on that beautiful sunny summer day.

Wait, that's not a laudable goal? The best part about early 20s girls is that as you get older, they stay the same :>

Wait, that's not a laudable goal? The best part about early 20s girls is that as you get older, they stay the same :>


A couple years after my divorce I was out of town at a bowling tournament with some friends. One of the guy's girlfriend's sister had come along with them, and she was in her early 20's. I was getting close to 40 at the time, but we still ended up hooking up for the weekend, finding we had a lot of similar interests. Neither of us saw it going any further than the weekend.

My son was outraged that I spent a weekend with someone that much younger than me. He will learn, eventually.

If you're 24 and you go after an 18 year old you are probably pretty skeevy to begin with ...

Well, I find it hard not to take that personally, but I was 24 when I started dating my wife, who was 18. She is one of the most mature people I know, and was so when she was 18. She's very down to earth, extremely intelligent, and one of the most wonderful people I've ever met, and I consider it one of the best things that ever happened to me that I found her.

We've now been married for 3 years (just passed our 3rd wedding anniversary last week in fact), and dated for 5 years prior to getting married.

So, I guess I'm just another "skeevy" person being a predator to "barely-legal" women... I'm disgusted you've lumped me into that category.

I really cant fathom how you actually said that not intending it to be a joke. To generalize anyone based on age is just totally... wrong, for lack of a better word.

I'm honestly disappointed in you - you usually dont engage in this sort of blatant generalism.

What sucks is that there is no real gray area here. I'm sure that 13 year old doesn't really even care what she has done to ruin these two guys lives.

If you're 24 and you go after an 18 year old you are probably pretty skeevy to begin with ... but the girl probably needs some serious psychological care if she's pretending to be 18 to begin with (not to mention having sex at 13)

My like the above poster stated, 18 with 24 year olds...absolutely nothing wrong with it one bit. skeevy? Come on.

I apologize if I offended you. Maybe we just live in different worlds. Like I said, I can't even imagine dating a girl still in college right now or a girl that can't drink and I'm 25. My life is so drastically different from the life of a college student or high school student that I wouldn't even be close to interested and figure there's a few billion people to choose from that would be closer to my age.

When I was 15 I dated a 19 year old and that was pretty sweet, but aside from hump we didn't have much else in the shared interests category. And looking back I'm pretty sure she just wanted to get laid. If it worked out for you, great, its just not anything in my experience to fall in acceptable social norms. If they were 17 and 11 months thats wrong, but 18 and 1 day is ok seems stretching it to me. We'll have to just agree to disagree.

Heres the best advice I can post...reposted just for you:

The Journey of a Man

When I was 14, I hoped that one day I would have a girlfriend. When I was 16 I got a girlfriend, but there was no passion, so I decided I needed a passionate girl with a zest for life.

In college I dated a passionate girl, but she was too emotional. Everything was an emergency; she was a drama queen, cried all the time and threatened suicide. So I decided I needed a girl with stability.

When I was 25 I found a very stable girl but she was boring. She was totally predictable and never got excited about anything. Life became so dull that I decided that I needed a girl with some excitement.

When I was 28 I found an exciting girl, but I couldn't keep up with her. She rushed from one thing to another, never settling on anything. She did mad impetuous things and made me miserable as often as happy.
She was great fun initially and very energetic, but directionless. So I decided to find girl with some real ambition.

When I turned 30, I found a smart ambitious girl with her feet planted firmly on the ground, so I married her. She was so ambitious that she divorced me and took everything I owned.

I am older and wiser now, and am looking for a girl with big tits.

Relationships in general are frustrating because there's an ever revolving door of asshole people out there perpetuating the cycle of evil.

There are 5 general types of people when referenced to relationships. Good guys, bad guys, good girls, bad girls, and the people that no longer care. For simplicities sake, bad in this situation would mean dishonest, unfaithful, etc. Good means honest, caring, trustworthy, etc.

It all started with 1 person doing something wrong to another person in their relationship. After the first time it happened, it is now impossible to stop. The cycle keeps on going and is ever growing.

Somewhere out there is a nice young girl at a night club with her friends. All she wants is a nice night out on the town. She's smart, funny, honest, and an all around good person. Never before has she in her mind ever thought about cheating on someone, or being cheated on herself. Enter in jackass_01. The guy that is only after one thing and he doesn't care where he gets it from. He goes to her and sweet talks her. He tells her everything she wants to hear. From soft whispers into her ear about how pretty she looks in that dress, to some sappy bullshit lines he's heard his buddies use, she's putty in his hands. Being a good person that she is, she doesn't think anything is afoul. A sham of a relationship is born. She doesn't know any better - maybe she finally found Mr. Right? No, not at all. Down the road, he will end up breaking her heart. He'll either cheat or leave after the fun is over.

That "good girl" evolves into a "bad girl". She's been hurt and becomes careless/reckless. Most likely engaging in the same sort of behavior that the guy that picked her up did. She will prey on a weakling and take everything from him. His heart, his money, his pride, his dignity. This "nice guy" weakling was just like her.. only she doesn't see that side of it anymore. All he is to her is an acting out of revenge for someone else's mistakes.

That "nice guy" either becomes an asshole or falls into the category of people that don't give a shit anymore.

And the cycle continues on.

This obviously doesn't always happen and some people don't "go bad", but I've seen it more than enough to know I fall into the category of people that don't give a rats ass anymore.

It's sad that in the world we live in, a healthy, trusting, loving, affectionate relationship is an anomaly.

I apologize if I offended you. Maybe we just live in different worlds. Like I said, I can't even imagine dating a girl still in college right now or a girl that can't drink and I'm 25. My life is so drastically different from the life of a college student or high school student that I wouldn't even be close to interested and figure there's a few billion people to choose from that would be closer to my age.

When I was 15 I dated a 19 year old and that was pretty sweet, but aside from hump we didn't have much else in the shared interests category. And looking back I'm pretty sure she just wanted to get laid. If it worked out for you, great, its just not anything in my experience to fall in acceptable social norms. If they were 17 and 11 months thats wrong, but 18 and 1 day is ok seems stretching it to me. We'll have to just agree to disagree.
So, if something falls outside of your idea of acceptable social norms, then it makes the person "skeevy"?

Just because you dont think that you would have something in common with a person if you were in the same situation means that it's not an acceptable one for others, and that people like myself should feel ashamed?

I guess I'm just not understanding why you feel that such an action is indicative of someone who is "skeevy". You may not see yourself being in such a relationship but how does it make it something to be looked down upon?

So, if something falls outside of your idea of acceptable social norms, then it makes the person "skeevy"?

Just because you dont think that you would have something in common with a person if you were in the same situation means that it's not an acceptable one for others, and that people like myself should feel ashamed?

I guess I'm just not understanding why you feel that such an action is indicative of someone who is "skeevy". You may not see yourself being in such a relationship but how does it make it something to be looked down upon?

Sorry but I'm not gonna argue this one with you. Glad it worked out for you though.

Age is all relative as an adult. i know 18 year olds that are very mature and have good heads on their shoulder and I know people in there 30's and 40's that act like teenagers