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My best guess is it is an over militarization of our law enforcement. Everything is done with a gun, every reaction is based in use of deadly force.

I'd be interested to know if the deputy is a "War on Terror" vet.

Thats unreal, Airedales can be some agressive dogs (not a negative agressive), they are terriers after all and protect but hell...nothing a good boot would of done to the dog. That was some fast shooting, I sure hope nothing like that ever happens to one of my pups.

It looked like the dog wasn't even running directly at the guy, but more around. That's exactly how my dog runs around people when he runs outside.

Either way, the owner's right. If the officer was really afraid of the dog, he could've been back inside his car long before the dog got to him.

Yes, funny how the laws that will be applied to citizens about trying to avoid use of lethal force (some states still require you to attempt to flee your own house, though I don't know if that's survived a court case in most of them) ... don't apply to people that used to be public servants.

I'd be interested to know if the deputy is a "War on Terror" vet.

I'd be interested to know if Joleen Chaney is AVAILABLE :heart

Everything is done with a gun, every reaction is based in use of deadly force.

If this statement has merit, why did they introduce pepper spray and tazers into the mix?

If this statement has merit, why did they introduce pepper spray and tazers into the mix?


I've seen plenty of stories about cops abusing their power with tazers/stun guns too, even on children.

But, that's not deadly force.

Tell that to all the people who've died from being tased.

Tell that to all the people who've died from being tased.

They were all unavailable to comment.

Ahh, so the intent of tazers is to kill people, now I understand.

I thought they were developed, along with pepper spray (nice skip over) to give police officers a non-lethal method to apprehend suspects.

Rubber bullets, shotgun beanbags, concussion grenades are all methods to kill as well?

You can kill with a paper clip if you have the mind to. We should take those away from police officers, as well. Someone might get hurt. :rolleyes:

Does it matter what they're killing people and their pets with? Killing with a "less lethal" weapon seems worse to me, not better.

It's the intent that makes the difference, not the outcome.

Your rationale seems to be: People can sometimes die when the police try to apprehend suspects. Therefore, no one should be apprehended, and no one will die.

A dog could be considered a lethal weapon. I can't see the video, so I can't see the size nor the attitude of the animal.

But if the animal would have bitten the officer, wouldn't it then have to be killed to test it for rabies? Even if the owner had up to date shots on the animal, is there any logic to not apprehending a suspect because the officer might have to kill a dog in order to do so?

Are there any non-lethal methods of dealing with dogs, that allow the police to still do their jobs?

Watch the video before randomly guessing at the situation. You aren't making any sense.

It's the intent that makes the difference, not the outcome.


OMG...WTF....I thought you were just trying to scare them...

http://www.allamericanpatriots.com/files/images/2008-04-nuclear-blast.jpg

The police have nuclear weapons? That'll stop shoplifters!

It's the only way to be sure!

actually if you research alternatives to standard bullets they are mostly referred to as less-lethal ammunitions. Rubber bullets can kill, for example a temple shot at close enough range (and we arent talking point blank) CAN kill.

Probably the most dangerous thing about "less lethal" weapons is the misconception that they are safe.

Sorry, that dog didn't look like it was being friendly to me. Too bad there wasn't any sound so you could hear if the dog was growling or not.

Why was the dog running free, anyways?

As a runner and a cyclist I have had dogs come after me many many times.... it really pisses me off. People who don't leash or keep their dog in the yard and let fluffy come after me while I'm trying to mind my own buisness don't deserve to own animals.

I carry pepper spray with me and will spray a dog in a heart beat. I love it when a barking and growling dog comes at me and I send it away with it's tail so far between it's legs it looks like it is sutured to its belly.

Dogs will chase people. But I have no issues with spraying it. I would shoot them if I carried a gun. I would rather shoot it than get bit.

That cop had one second to decide if it was going to attack. He backed up 15 feet. He shot it and fluffy is dead.... blame the owner.

Look where that was. Go tell someone living out there that they should leash their pets and see if you can hold your breath as long as they laugh at you. It's not as if this was an urban or even suburban situation.

If you're working in rural law enforcement and find that you're too delicate to be around animals off a leash, you aren't cut out for the job.

Sorry, that dog didn't look like it was being friendly to me. Too bad there wasn't any sound so you could hear if the dog was growling or not.

Is that the first time you've seen a dog? What dog in the world doesn't run up to a stranger to check them out?

Even Michael Vick wouldn't have shot that dog.

Dogs that are well trained don't run up to people. I live in a semi-rural setting, and we have many dogs out here. I've seen everything from dogs that have killed family pets to dogs that won't even twitch unless their masters told them to. That dog didn't stop 10 feet short, nor did it approach with it's head down wagging its stub. It approached at a high rate of speed, and even as fast as the officer drew his weapon, he hit it at point blank range.

Your prejudice against the police is showing once again, Sanchek. You are clearly wrong in this regard.

I carry pepper spray with me


no more need to discuss...solution found...all uniformed cops carry pepper spray.

Dogs that are well trained don't run up to people. I live in a semi-rural setting, and we have many dogs out here. I've seen everything from dogs that have killed family pets to dogs that won't even twitch unless their masters told them to. That dog didn't stop 10 feet short, nor did it approach with it's head down wagging its stub. It approached at a high rate of speed, and even as fast as the officer drew his weapon, he hit it at point blank range.

You are talking out of your ass if you think most dogs in a rural setting are going to stop 10 feet short of a stranger on their territory. I can't even think of dog I've had here in the suburbs that would stop short for a stranger, off leash.

You clearly are a cat person.

The officer had ample time to get back in the car if he was truly afraid of the dog. There's no excuse for him escalating straight to deadly force in that situation.

Your prejudice against the police is showing once again, Sanchek. You are clearly wrong in this regard.

Pathetic misdirection. This guy is just a wannabe thug in a uniform. He's no police officer.

I've thought Sanchek was clearly unfair to police in a number of threads, but in this case, no way:
1) The police department denied it happening until they knew of the existance of a video
2) Then they offered her a bribe asking her to never show the video to anyone
3) the dog was very visibly circling around the deputy and not toward him

Their local sheriff needs to lose his job, and probably will in the next election. This deputy needs to be fired, he's far too dangerous to be out there with a gun.

I wish there had been sound. I'd be curious to hear if the dog was growling, indicating that he was aggressive. A great deal of the dogs I know will run up to a person to get a measure for who they are when its not someone they know. They may bark while doing that, but most of the time I see it as a "I'm here, state your business".