Ok so this guy dumps our guild DURING a raid (before the groups were fully organised) and here is his reason for going

/quote
Hello friends,

I cannot stay in DoM and be relegated to caster groups. This is a complete and utter waste of my group abilities -no other class- can provide.

Bards should be in a group with the 4 highest DPS available and a cleric. Bards can AE regens, but only overhaste their own group.

Overhasting casters is retarded.

This is not negotiable for me. I am not asking to be used correctly, I am demanding it. Since I believe the status quo will disallow the truth of what im saying from being evaluated fairly and changes made to the guild mindset to incorporate a bard into its activities, I leave for the betterment of myself and the guild as any further involvement will just incite bitterness.

No one seems to understand why this would be a problem for a bard, but it is why kortar left and is now why I am leaving.

My accounts have at most 2 months left on them and sitting in a group with casters is not how that time will be spent. I am very good at what I do, and have spent almost 8 months trying to raise awareness in DoM, the response to which was very small - there is no desire to learn about how or what bards can do or improve things on raids etc. If you think a four twist capable bard is having fun playing one AE regen song, you should think again. It is clear to me now you dont think you need bards, and thus there is no point in belonging.

This has nothing to with any one person, or in fact any person at all. This is about me having a ferrari and letting it idle. my bard is that ferrari and I am done idling. Ask your self how many times youve been grouped with a bard holding 4 songs up almost continously, and youll have some measure of how completely boring it is to stand around playing mana song. /end quote

Well Que I for one am glad you're puttering around with your Ferarri somewhere else. You are a punk for dumping guild during a raid. BTW we have a FULL section in our forums on bard tactics (one of which was posted last week).

p.s.
I don't remember a single post of yours bringing up your complaints.

A) Funny he doesn't mention Rizlona's, since it's nice for wizard groups.

B) He can do what he want, though leaving during a raid is kinda shitty.

C) Why are you posting your guild's stuff here? Nothing good ever comes of it.

This is about me having a ferrari and letting it idle. my bard is that ferrari and I am done idling.

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA........HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH A

This is not guild business anymore, and this is just a warning to those who might pick him up.. I've been given a reprimand already from a guild officer.

This probably wasn't Q's only reason for leaving, he had been dissatisfied for at least some of the time in which I was in the guild.

Well you know how we operate. I mean come on you don't have to drop a freaking raid in the dirt. (yeah they still successfully completed the raid)

I seriously don't remember a single post about it before this. He was looking for an excuse and took it.

Everyone in DoM is a class act (except for me); he could have brought this up at any time before then.

Most definately agreed, it didn't have to happen that way. That's what makes me think this was only a fraction of why he left, he was probably frustrated with something else in addition.

Overhasting casters is retarded.

Yeah, because Rizlona's definitely doesn't have anything to it that would benefit casters, right?

There are entirely too many bards today. There are still some "old-school" ones, who are damn good and play their class to perfection. Unfortunately, the majority of the bards out there are completely retarded. There was a time when you could come into bard chat and ask "Hey, is this bard any good?", and anyone could tell you. Now, you'd be lucky if we knew who he was.

This has nothing to with any one person, or in fact any person at all. This is about me having a ferrari and letting it idle. my bard is that ferrari and I am done idling. Ask your self how many times youve been grouped with a bard holding 4 songs up almost continously, and youll have some measure of how completely boring it is to stand around playing mana song.

sigh ... we have such great luck with bards.

Quick Clarification: I was not inferring that because you do not hang out in bard chat, or that because the people who do are not aware of your presence on our server means you are a bad bard. It's not like we're an elitist club or anything.

Typically though, a good bard will make a name for themselves fairly quickly.

I hate the twink bards nowadays that give you shit when you ask them to twist.

It is my request that this drops immediately. I've asked everyone in my guild to leave it alone and I've asked Querendo to please leave us alone. From here, our paths split.

There is more to this, but that remains between Q and those people.

Could someone please lock this up?

I apologize to all parties involved.

BTW i did NOT want to lock this thread, I have already told Q what i think of him. And what he did is the same thing my 2 year old does when i tell her no she cant have or do something, she usually throws a temper tantrum and runs off and pouts

At the time I left the raid they were all sitting around the POK book in POT with no declared target.

Q/I

The target we had tracked an hour before was down when we began gathering.

The group had been gathering for at the most 10 minutes before Querendo left. During which time we had been discussing Xanamech in PoI. Since our guild has few chanters, one of our options was to use a bard to help mez the gnome.

It's extremely obvious to me that Dragons of Mist is not the place for Querendo because he is a Ferrari and DoM is more like a nice comfortable family car.

I'm sorry that he felt he had to leave in the manner that you did, I never intended to be unapproachable to the point that nobody wanted to tell me they were dissatisfied with my leadership.

Good luck wherever you end up, I hope it suits you.

Sig too Large

my bard is that ferrari and I am done idling.

Dude, In the bigger picture your bard is a Pinto in a land of Gremlins.

Get over yourself.

At the time I left the raid they were all sitting around the POK book in POT with no declared target.

I find this interesting...could have sworn DoM was just about to zone into PoI. And i think its safe to say Welcome to the Ampliphyer Club

This is where you take control of your destiny instead of whining about it. Raid leaders do their best to get everyone organized into workable groups and get a target down. Raid leaders should not HAVE to micromanage every group for maximum efficiency. You're deluding yourself if you think they have time for that. Your job, Mr./Mrs. Ferrari, is to ask yourself what can *I* do better? The correct answer is to pick a mostly melee group (preferably the group with the MT if possible)...and ask the raid leader if you have permission to change places with a non-essential group member to make that group more efficient. Your place is NOT to cause major drama in the middle of raiding/raid preparations.

This bard will never get into a top end guild i can tell you that much. Bards are far from the DPS group character lol.

*gasp* list of good bards time?!

ones that i have grouped with.

Wenddi <3
Talid 8==>
Laerwyn /salute
Bleedingheart
Hawkai
Kelraz

i dont have the heart to post bad bards names, nor the memory.

starsong > all :/

it all depends on the target whether to give the bard melee dps or casters. There are some encounters where melee other than the tank don't engage, who would you best benefit there by being in their group? The answer here is casters. There are some mobs with very high armor class, who would you best benefit by being in their group? wizards.

a bard that says that he/she's being wasted by being in a caster group either doesn't have all his songs or doesn't have a fucking clue on how to play his/her class.

worse bard list ever:

taleren
talid

don't group with these people, they can't even twist 8 songs at once, taleren complains about a pain in his foot and talid afks alot to help his mom put away her groceries

Gokuu has no room to talk, he doesn't even mem heals when he's the only cleric in the group, ask L2 !

That's the truth Talid, he just trains the group and goes afk :\

haha you only almost died like 8 times though

screw heals, they are for the weak and pasty, good thing will could heal himself!

Gokuu, get your stupid ass on aim, tkxu

HEY TALID WHY DON"T YOU SHUT THE HELL UP, K??

i'm not at home today or tomorrow so why don't you ask me for porn later?

I'm failing to understand a couple of points here. The first being how anyone who knows Q could possibly be surprised by his post? Arrogant - Check. Self-Centered - Check. Ego-maniacal - Check. Nothing in that post is even remotely out of character for the man. Not that I condone any of his words or how he quit, but it's not a big, Wha? Huh? Where'd That Come From? Not that I condone what happened, I think he was wrong.

The second involves the more grievous of the two offenses I see here. Why is a guild member posting a private guild correspondence for an entire server to read. While off-base and laughable, the post was aimed from one person to DoM. Most guilds would have booted you without question for this post.

Licck, while I understand your anger over it, you're posting of this is low. Respect for Guild Member correspondence and forums is a requisite part of being in most guilds. Even for Ex-Guild Members. Knowing that the things posted in your passworded and private forums is going to likely be released for mass consumption makes using them pointless. You posted this as a "warning" to those who would pick him up.. I'd rather have someone I knew was an @##hole than a person who publicly posts guild information, without a second thought.

Zaphrod Beeblebrox
52nd Munqie - Ay Ro

Licck responded here when I booted Querrendo off our boards. He has been punished but I don't believe that booting him for voicing his opinion is worth getting rid of someone who defends and supports his guild as strongly as Licck does.

He will not post anymore on this subject without my consent.

Bards can twist 4 songs? Why wasn't I told this? ;)

:evil

what twist ? just get high atk and good elem weapons you do like 100 dps bud p

ya whatever p

I always liked when Taleren sang me songs :( .

If you think bards are wasted in caster groups, check a parse once in a while. Good bard, healer type + 4 wizardly types == 15% more damage than without bard.

Considering that on VT boss mobs our wizards are in the 85-100k damage range that is between 50-60k of damage just due to having the bard in the group playing either rizlona's or muse. I just don't see that as wasted time for the bard. I see that as the bard not being able to put the team first.

Sage Garrath Moore
Arcanist
FD

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Best bard ever?

No question it has to be Amplifyre!

Lets just say Q is running a close second to Ampliphyer and that should explain everything

Argumentum ad Hominem

Baltyn you are either ignorant of what this is or believe your readers are ignorant of what it is. Any even moderately educated person will see this for what it is.

"a bard that says that he/she's being wasted by being in a caster group either doesn't have all his songs"

bingo. dont have any of the rizlonas and until my ac and stamina are quite a bit higher than they are any points I earn in LDON etc will be put towards correcting my ac and stamina deficiencies.

Licck posted this well before "i was booted". This was not in response to anything of the kind and you have broken your word aal. Any agreements we had reached regarding this matter have been rendered null and void by this blatant lie or absolute ignorance on your part.

Aal - why is it every bard that joined DoM in the last eight months has left save for gred, who is a new player and really doesnt know any better (yet - im sure he will. however if you follow my advice to you on how best to counter any arguments made by me and treat gred and any other bards who may join you like kings you will go along way towards dimishing my arguments here)

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[Fri Oct 31 17:55:34 2003] You told kortar, 'awesome stuff on the board man thanks!'
[Fri Oct 31 17:56:12 2003] Kortar tells you, 'not sure how many people will read'
[Fri Oct 31 17:56:19 2003] Kortar tells you, 'they're just not all that concerned about what the bard is doing'
[Fri Oct 31 17:56:44 2003] You told Kortar, 'well gonna try anyway and ill definetly read it, most information out on the web is pretty shallow from my view'

[Thu Dec 04 00:37:17 2003] You told aalanek, 'bard stuff assist on me and kill it'
[Thu Dec 04 00:37:23 2003] You told aalanek, 'bard stuff assist on me and kill it wrong one'
[Thu Dec 04 00:41:16 2003] Aalanek tells you, 'sorry bro, I asked a few times which they wanted me to kill and never got a good answer ... by the time you said something, the numbers were whizzing by'
[Thu Dec 04 00:41:42 2003] You told Aalanek, 'aye i figured was tryin to help i could see from up on the rock which one was teh mezzaable one'
[Thu Dec 04 00:42:43 2003] Aalanek tells you, 'heh, just a warrior, can't tell which is what'
[Thu Dec 04 00:42:50 2003] You told Aalanek, 'lol'
[Thu Dec 04 00:45:04 2003] You told Kortar, 'im assuming you knew as i did which one was mezzable, and that the break down occured when no one else did?'
[Thu Dec 04 00:45:35 2003] Kortar tells you, 'yes- in fact, I was chain-mezzing it on the belief that after 5-6 mez breaks people would get the idea'
[Thu Dec 04 00:45:45 2003] You told Kortar, 'aye i saw'
[Thu Dec 04 00:45:57 2003] You told Kortar, 'i was yelling directly at aal to change but he got spammed to bad i guess'
[Thu Dec 04 00:46:20 2003] You told Kortar, 'i think ill do my next bard piece on bard mez operations'
[Thu Dec 04 00:46:43 2003] Kortar tells you, 'well, it wasn't so much *bard* mez as mez in general'
[Thu Dec 04 00:47:18 2003] You told Kortar, 'aye but well ya know always thinking class specific in regards to teaching'

What makes Querendo such a GREAT bard?

He will drop any dinky thing he is doing like farming or doing lil quests or just running around drinking elven wine and thinking wood elven thoughts to assist his friends and guildmates. Heres just one example : Liccks epic fight in oot:

pub142.ezboard.com/fayona...3717.topic (http://pub142.ezboard.com/fayonaerofrm6.showMessage?topicID=3717.topic)
Or hightempereds ixiblat fight, or taxxs alt cleric ammirs ixiblat fight, etc

What makes Querendo such a GREAT bard?
Every time Zaphrod has quit the game in the last three years and come back a few months later he has offered what limited money or equipment he had, brought zap up to speed on any significant changes that have occured while he was away, dropped what he is doing to go rez or PL zap as he tried leveling various classes up to 35 or so only to delete them and try another one.

What makes Querendo such a GREAT bard?
He has in his posession material evidence showing with no doubt whatsoever that some of leadership in DoM are acting routinely without regard to any sort of ethical or moral conduct.

And do you know what? Querendo isnt goin to post a single bit of it. There are -many- skilled, dedicated and honorable members in DoM who do not deserve to have their repurtations sullied for the actions of the few.

Gakarot - this person is one of the most upstanding and honorable people I have ever had the luck to meet
Sheylar - one cannot find words to express how delightful sheylar is O_o
Monges, tamarack, nekorb, saberius, scythicus, suklar, athalar, lumi (forgive me I can never spell your name correctly lol), flik, gred, soulki -no longer a member, however shes the bomb wherever she goes, mdana (no longer a member), Mckana/havocc - what a team!, naiil, the list of good people in DoM goes on and on.

The self reference to the ferrarri is from the unbelievable speed at which bards move, which I am amazed at every time I switch to and alt and back. Specifically I like to daydream that my bard is this www.ferrari.com/cgi-bin/f...D=F355_GTS (http://www.ferrari.com/cgi-bin/fworld.dll/ferrariworld/scripts/gt/car_data.jsp?car_type=GT&CAR_ID=F355_GTS) ferrari

The old addage regarding any publicity being good publicity has proven very true - I rarely need to even put up LFG anymore as I get numerous requests to join peeps all over the multiverse as the seek to find fun and high adventure as soon as I log in. Thanks!

Beware those who would seek to deny you access to information, for in their hearts they dream themselves your master.

How does any of that shit make you a good bard?

Talid is -the- reigining auto-fellatio champion and is one damn good bopper. I hear he made it to the world wide Tiddlers competition too.

I feel......dumberer for reading this post....

How does any of this shit make me a bad one?

How many posts can we make that are just questions?


What does any of this have to do with your skills (or lack) as a bard?

Baltyn you are either ignorant of what this is or believe your readers are ignorant of what it is. Any even moderately educated person will see this for what it is.

Please enlighten me and the other readers as to what this is?
I saw what you did to your guild that night. I saw you disband from the group/raid then the guild and log because they would not utilize you as you wanted. I asked you on the DoM boards if you had ever run a raid before and you replied you have run Naggy and Vox raids so you know how hectic they can get. DoM was in the process of rearranging groups when you threw your hissy fit. So don't give me this self righteous bullshit about how good you are, face it you left your guild high and dry that night end of story. You can try and back pedal all you want.

Ok, I kept my mouth shut because Aal asked us all to plz drop the matter.(and that's saying a lot for me not to talk) The matter has not been dropped, so I feel that it's alright for me to say something now.

1.) I was at the raid when this happened. FYI: we were NOT at the book waiting to get started. I recall running to the zone we were going to when it said you were no longer a member of the guild. I stopped running to send you a tell to ask why you disbanded (you didn't reply, I think you just logged out)

2.) I was in chat on DoM boards the day Licck posted on the Aro boards about you leaving. He had no idea at the time that Aal was in game talking to you, trying to make some sort of "peace" (if that's what you want to call it) about it, and to drop the matter. After he said we (we being the guild) would leave it alone, he logged in chat and asked for all of us to plz leave it be and not post anything more on the Aro boards about it. Until then...we have held up to our end of the bargin. (or at to the best of my knowledge.)

3.) The same day, you logged into DoM chat on our boards and started talking smack to Licck, and egging him on. So Aal found out you were in the chat talking smack to Licck. So he logged on and asked you to stop, and that is when he took you off the boards.

4.) No, it probably wasn't a wise move on Licck's part to come on here and air our guilds "dirty laundry" for everyone else to see. However, he was doing this just to let ya'll know what kind of player/person Q is, and how if he doesn't get his way in the guild... he leaves. His intentions were to warn ppl from other guilds before hand.

5.) Was reading your Logs from the game when you were talking to Kortar (I believe.) Looks to me that you were talking smack about the guild while in the guild. If you didn't like the way we did things in the first place, why didn't you just leave and find another EQ home to go to? Instead of letting this frustration build up with how we do things?(or how you think we do things)

The way I see it is....Aal held up to his end of the bargin by not posting on the Aro boards about this subject. You however have made up stories on how this happened and took it upon yourself to say something again (and throwing in lies about Aalanek) just so you can get your two cents in and try to "defend" yourself. If you ask me.....Aalanek has been the better "MAN" by keeping his mouth shut and keeping true to his word.

Licck posted this well before "i was booted".


First things first - you left, and he couldn't have posted it before you did. You can tell this, because what he quoted was your post saying you were leaving.

As for your "help" with licck's epic, if you call blustering on a message board helping with it..well you helped a ton.

I'm not really sure who Zaphrod is. It is amusing to see you talk about how you plevel/twink him/her though, considering how much shit you talked about me giving Licck a hand up when he first started out.


He has in his posession material evidence showing with no doubt whatsoever that some of leadership in DoM are acting routinely without regard to any sort of ethical or moral conduct.


I call your bluff. Pussyfooting around dropping hints doesn't cut it. Put up or shut up.

I have to compliment you on your timing by the way, it's good to see you waited several days to restart this topic...till the day after DoM got your significant other their epic, no?

Your ferrari bears a striking resemblance to a chevette.

There are -many- skilled, dedicated and honorable members in DoM who do not deserve to have their repurtations sullied for the actions of the few.

At least we agree on something. But I do wish you'd stop trying to "sully" them.

BTW ... I would like it to be known that I like bards, I actually play one when I find the time to do so. One of my best friends in EQ also plays a bard that I grouped with for around 40 levels.

Oh ... and there's a list of 10 bards on my guild list (one of them is mine) and only one has not been played since the beginning of this month.

Get the facts straight when throwing your bs around.

... and my nominations for the best bards are probably all gone to other places.

Damasque
Tamdara
Rikki - miss the songs he made up and set on hotkeys while he played.

you cant talk about XA bards without mentionning Kareo!
he was such a nice guy and great bard.

Impresario Almadar Tegleftyln
retired

sorry, also a great bard.

Mind was a little focused on something else though.

:)

Think it's safe to say Q, you should have followed that old saying...Its better to keep mouth closed, than to open it an remove all doubt. And yes i paraphrased that.

your delusional.

Please enlighten me and the other readers as to what this is?

If you don't know what it is and want to know, there's this handy tool called 'google.' Don't ask us.

No Q im not delusional, but i think you need to get rid of these visions of grandeur about yourself, your a little fish in a BIG pond. Oh and still waiting for the enlightened part, the google quote just isn't going to cut it.

Can I ask why, Q, you waited for so long since your last post on this subject? Why did you start back up on this just yesterday? Was there a specific reason to the delay? Just seems so odd that you did not respond to any of this for over a week then you started back up.

Seems like you waited for something to occur before you started this up again.

Also seems you should be listening to the top Bards on this server and thier opinions. Seems that if they made it to the EP they must have been doing something right? Just my opinion.

Like someone said before,

DO you think that they like pressing a button every 20 seconds on raids? But they know thier function on a raid. Seems that you do not know or do not want to accept you function on a raid. Thier is a great difference between raiding grouping and soloing and you have not quite figureed out your role in these functions quite yet. Each requires it owns set of specific "place" or "role" depending on the type of role you happening to be paying. Whether you like it or not.

I was at the raid when this happened. FYI: we were NOT at the book waiting to get started. I recall running to the zone we were going to when it said you were no longer a member of the guild. I stopped running to send you a tell to ask why you disbanded (you didn't reply, I think you just logged out)


BTW...if you would of stayed long enough, you would of seen that we moved ppl around (you know....REFORMED) outside the zone after we finished up some last minute buffs.

Face it Mc his ferrari was idling so much he was almost out of gas

as such my participation here is over; there is no point in a battle of wits with unarmed opponents.

You have lost.

Well Balt you do know those ferrari's get bad gas mileage. But then again he seems to have enough gas to have a unlimited supply :D

I'm going to take your refusal to show any "material evidence" as an admission that you were blowing smoke out of your ass.

Also noting that you don't dispute that you waited to start shit up anew until your s/o got their epic.

If you could just jumble your posts a little more you could give amp a run for his money.

Ok i have tried to stay out of this but Crist0 has dragged me into it. The fact is that DoM has dropped the ball on getting my epic it was suposed to be sceduled at the end of Jaunuary and never was. My epic hunt was not an official DoM raid. I am glad that those who showed up and gave their support it is greatly appreciated. But Icriver and I formed a pick up raid to get it done. There were memebers from Old Souls, Sors Aeternus, and others that we picked up. As for why he posted late, he was responding to Zap's post. Que was not on yesterday when i did my epic I wish all would drop the subject and i do not wish to be further involved. If u have issues leave me out of the PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Congrats on your epic -- it is such a wonderful feeling to have it in hand!

Not sure why private guild posts/logs and business are being aired out on a public forum. I'm pretty pissed and i've about had it.

I would have to strongly agree with leaving significant others out of this. Speaking as a significant other who has NO control over what her husband says or does it is not fair to "punish" someone who has no control over a situation such as what's being discussed here. This has been going on for what?...nearly two weeks or something and Q's s/o has not said a word - she's been nuetral and has the right to remain as such and not be brought in to this any further. The focus has been shifted from Q leaving DoM high and dry on a raid and his allegations of his talents as a bard not being utilized -to him waiting til his s/o received an epic...one she has been trying to get for quite some time from what I understand. Go ahead with your discussion of Q and all that...but it is my opinion that his s/o should be totally left out - she has nothing to do with this.

This is the dumbest shit I've seen on AyoRo in a long time. This bard is one real piece of work, I tell ya. A fucking ferrari my ass. Get the fuck over yourself.

Shorty is one of the best clerics I've ever played with and he was only on the callibur of a mid-sized BMW sedan.

>as such my participation here is over; there is no point in a battle of wits with unarmed opponents.

You have lost.

is this from Q? hahahahaha

"Raid leaders should not HAVE to micromanage every group for maximum efficiency."


Uh, I'd say that's one of the roles of a good raid Leader actually. Unless your doing trivial crap, then who cares if groups are optimal.

I agree with your statement, that is a superb raid leader who can do that.

I'd prefer the raid leader to have delegates (group leaders) do the group micromanagement for him.

Micro managment is the sign of a poor leader. If you can not trust your people to do the right job YOU need to do a better job of finding the right people. We have a sergent at work I work with that is a micromanager. No one trusts or respects him. He fosters a sense of mistrust among us. We feel he does not think we can get the job done with out his every moment looking over our shoulder.

DO you think that they like pressing a button every 20 seconds on raids?

What bards are you playing with? 11 33445566 77 22 88 88 33445566 rinse and repeat as required!!

Chorus of Marr=3
Call of the Muse=4
Psalm of Veeshan=5
Warsong of Zek=6
Harmony of sound=7
Lullaby of Morrell=8
Requiem of Time=2
accellerating Chorus=1
Incoming hotkeyed=0
Bellow=9

I am constantly pushing buttons.
I am no Ferrari, I am a Pinto. I get no love. :lol

:evil

You're a Ferrari to me Trikki. Of course, I'm a F-18 so take that as you will. :p

hehe :) as much as I get to entrust my life and mana supply to you and Trikki these days Aurron... I'd just call you the Top Guns :)

If you were a Pinto Trikki, i must have been some average pair of rollerblades! :p

Impresario Almadar Tegleftyln
Retired

THE ONLY REASON ALMADAR STARTED A BARD WAS ME!!!

Bard <3

I can see Trikki being a ferrari... but Aurron well... he knows what he is... :lol /smirk

You know, Q isn't a bad bard. He may have given reasons for leaving DoM that I personally don't agree with, but that doesn't make him a bad bard.

Leaving when he did, either at the begining of or, or during, a raid, was simply bad form. Bad form doesn't make you a bad bard.

And sure, he has this extremely annoying habit of trying to tell you how to play your character, and while that irritates the hell out of me, that still doesn't make him, you got it, a bad bard.Sure, he might not be as good as Weiner is, but who is?

Liick should have never posted this, it was business that should have been kept between DoM and Q. Q should never have replied to this at all. It's garbage thats a good reflection of what 90% of this board is turning into. Even the flames are getting stale. Man I miss Trilkin during times like these.


<3 Ainwein ;) Now get your ass ingame and gimme my damned licks, bish.


--- Vixyn / Puunkarokka / JadedSoul / Splashes / Nudelily

Off topic. Just wanted to say Hi to Calaquendi /hugs:)

/sigh

Married with children - that must make me a mini-van :(
Ah, for the good old sports car days..

when you talk about xa bards you forgot the most important one, the cornerstone of the class for that legendary guild...


... mokas stardust

DOH!

Gimme a break guys, I am an old man.

If your raid leader has to micromanage how every group is set up, then your guild must enjoy sitting around a lot.

www.goodleader.org/micromanagement.htm (http://www.goodleader.org/micromanagement.htm)

Go down to the part about "Not delegating authority" and "Not delegating tasks." This is a pretty accurate description of the way I feel about this. Micromanaging is bad...very bad. I have a tendency to micromanage sometimes, but I constantly work on my raid skills to delegate authority because I realize that it can be more detrimental than good.

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Aside from that, I don't necessarily care to hear about guild's dirty laundry...but I am glad to have got the warning about this bard. There is nothing more frustrating while trying to run a raid than have some drama queen just up and quit the guild in the middle of it...or to needlessly stir up shit on the guild msgboards and drag the guild's morale down with them. It can be argued that Lickk (sp) stirred this up on ARo, but I'll bet the DoM boards are/were on fire about this as well. Let me tell you...quitting the guild in the middle of a raid because your group isn't optimally organized is bullshit. It sounds like there were other issues that Q had with the guild. That is fine...but when they manifest themselves in a situation like this, you make yourself out to be a useless whiner...and worse...a useless drama queen whiner. This is the least desirable person for *any* guild.

The correct way to deal with this situation was to tell the raid leader you have to log for RL problem (you're getting way too pissed off). Log out...cool down...quietly compose your "I'm quitting the guild" letter (trust me...short/sweet/positive/no bullshit is the way it should be worded)...have a chat with an officer you trust about the issues you had if you want. Then that's it! No drama...no making the game un-fun for the other people in your guild that are left with the drama...you let them know what problems you felt they had so that hopefully the guild will be stronger...more or less a win/win situation for everyone. To be honest...this shouldn't even need to be said =/.

Oh yeah...and you don't make a message which basically makes yourself out to be the bad-ass among the losers you're leaving behind...

That's generally bad form as well...

Bah, and here I thought bards were pullers! /wink Trikki

I read the first page of posts regarding Querendo and this topic (15 posts?) As many of you know, I rarely visit the A Ro boards, and it's because - to me, it's a waste of time when I can be playing and/or managing guild... however, every once in awhile I hear about things I would like to look into.

That being said. 1st off, this post is a rediculous ranting - probably meant to cover someone's own ass because of some issues that were going on... but since I'm not a direct party, it doesnt matter.
What does matter, however, is that I know Q. In fact, Querendo is a Raid Officer within my guild now, and has proven himself to not only be of great character (personally) but a skilled and dedicated bard. He works well under every bardic type arena I have seen (enhancing EVERY class type, including casters - but certainly would never 'solely' be used only in these circumstances, as puller, on CC, very effective in researching and leading in both normal group and raid force settings.)
There, are, actually, quite a few very good bards on A Ro that are not extremely well known to all on the server. Just because someone doesnt involve themselves totally in AoR raids, or uses an /lfg tool often, doesnt mean they dont exist and dont perform extremely well for those they DO know and group with often. Among these bards are: Kwenie, Twochords, Kortar, Rhequiem, and... yes, Querendo. (I have quite a few good bard friends in SoT and LoTJ as well, but because of their guilds, they are more well known and therefore dont make my point.)

Now, so much for character... this whole post was mostly written because Q supposedly dropped guild in the middle of a DoM raid (which then, without anyone's knowledge of what actually happened, was refered to as being like someone's 2 year old child throwing a tantrum. OMFG... I love blatant ignorance and when people make comments on something they know nothing about... especially when the comment is made off of a one sided post on a "nag" board...LMAO.)
But I digress. Point is, he was accussed of dropping his guild in the middle of a raid. I agree (not that some circumstances do not employ/warrant extreme measures at times) that it is not a honorable or proper thing to leave a raid (or drop a guild during a raid) because you arent "getting your way" or because someone is pissing you off. On the same note, funny how a couple posts were made that the raid force wasnt even quite sure, for quite a while, what they were going to do... but then, deciding, started to move toward PoI when this "horrible event" took place. /sigh... then, it comes to light that:
I find this interesting...could have sworn DoM was just about to zone into PoI. And i think its safe to say Welcome to the Ampliphyer Club
This is quite funny, because, while still not cool under normal circumstances to bail during a forming "guild" raid that you belong to, he is actually agreeing that it was not in the middle of the raid when Querendo left, but actually before "as DoM was just about to zone into PoI". Interesting.

I see no point in posting further. It was a stupid thread in the first place, born out of someone throwing a tantrum (and it wasnt Querendo.) And Q did nothing wrong in most books... not to mention, it wasnt this one thing that caused it, as said by ex-guild members of his, there were many reasons and they built up over an eight month period of being non-addressed issues. BUT, and this is a HUGE disrespect and infringment on Q's part by members of DoM that posted this in the first place... was a "GUILD" issue, and Q's own quoted words were from DoM's private message board. Taken out of context... or at least, not along with months worth of other posts, etc... and his comments (which he was bashed for as having a "big head" about being a ferrari set on idle were made on that private board to explain a portion of his feelings when choosing to leave. Come on. I would of left far before. It shows loyality (dumb loyalty if nothing else - but loyalty none-the-same.) I didnt even see if Q had posted anything here in defense of himself... however, if I were he, I would not have waisted my time. Things like this never seem to amaze me here, which is why i rarely visit. I wont be back anytime soon either, but feel free to continue bickering and adding unwarranted comments if you must.

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Are you retarded?

Why even ask, Talid. You already know the answer.

Impresario Almadar Tegleftyln
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Okay, I got the better of myself and read/scimmed through the rest of the posts. My first post was longer than I intended, so I'll try to make this few comments short and direct.

Most importantly, I wish to answer the major question (and center topic of discussion) by saying yes, I am a retard. And I suck in my profession as a cleric. If at any time you find yourself in your lowest point of existance and are forced to consider me as a fill-in on a group or raid venter, you'd be much better off finding a ranger or two to fill my shoes as healer.

I wonder if it is just me (probably, because I'm far from elemental and/or time geared, and am more a popper amoung kings here - it seems) but I read alot of posts regarding this topic from a different mind-set in general. There seem to be alot of people posting from the point of view of highly large scale raiding experiences (No disrespect to people that have achieved elemental- and time-related goals, this is great.) However, DoM's raids consist mostly of epic quest raids, teir 1 raids, and the like (not to downplay or disrespect DoM in the slightest, just merely a fact - of which my own guild is on par with, and only newly formed.) There is, after all, a huge difference in bardic "job discription" and "tactics" between say killing Trakanon or running a Hedge raid and, for instance, Xegony in the kingdom of wind. Point being (and I realize that it's good to start with high-end tactics in mind even in low level raiding experiences,) you are talking apples and oranges and not looking at this from the aspect and circumstances from where it is coming from.

Also, how is it that people are overlooking the fact that Querendo didnt leave the raid, nor his guild, because of one instance of being asked to sing in a group of wizards? Nor was he trying to micro-manage the raid, nor take charge of the event at hand. The whole point is that his guild was not using bards in any real capacity otherwise, which was causing many of them to leave. He had addressed this point quite a few times, over more than a half-year period, and was continued to either be ignored, or apathetically pushed aside. It just happened that he choose this final straw to do so. I'm wondering, btw, how this isnt clear to at least some that have posted... after all, I told Q I didnt want to know any details on this matter, and have only to go off what I have read here... and it is still quite clear. (Then again, I've heard similar stuff from a few DoM and ex-DoM members, so maybe I read some of my seperate knowledge into it.)

Q's own statement of: The self reference to the ferrarri is from the unbelievable speed at which bards move, which I am amazed at every time I switch to and alt and back. is explained as the "speed" of which a bard is played (pointedly, the focus and concentration that a bard takes, far more than most other EQ classes - again, this changes in the upper echelons as most classes are intently focused and making things happen at ever instance... not not so, in the lower raiding levels that we're dealing with around this whole circumstance of events and the guild involved.) Q has, by the way, not told anyone we've grouped with (even non-guildies) how to play their class. Many would of benefited from a good lesson, however... but this is not something I have witnessed. However, trying to educate people on how his own class should be played, I could see happening in an instance where he wasnt being used for his potention (again...not 1 circumstance, but months worth.) So, it seems, that perhaps DoM should listen to the bards posting in this thread, and not Q himself (not that he still cant learn from you all, I have noticed him learn, adapt, and better himself in nearly every circumstance we encounter.)

Then we have people making comments like:
I have to compliment you on your timing by the way, it's good to see you waited several days to restart this topic...till the day after DoM got your significant other their epic, no?

This is the type of unfounded and ignorant rhetoric of which I am talking about. I attended this raid for her epic along with Synphul, Zolanamd, and many others that were not in DoM. This was not a DoM raid, in fact less than half the raid force gathered was in DoM... an, in my opinion, were there out of friendship and not because of helping a 'guildie' get her epic. However, just another attempt to make Q (and now his girlfriend?) look bad. Iceriver lead this raid and pulled people from everywhere to do so.

Already longer than I intended and more time wasted that I cared to allow... point being... this is rediculous. Many people that are posting about this are in large scale raiding guilds and will never be crossing paths with Q in the first place, at least under a 'raiding' or even 'group' experience. The opinions by most are already formed and wont change by any means of reason or reply to this thread.

Have a nice day, and Be Well.

Well, at least we've determined that you are, in fact, retarded.

well heh i read like 2 posts on page 1 and like a little on this page.


I think most people that play a bard play to be used to full potential. I mean i started a monk because there was things i wanted to do that i couldnt as a warrior or a shaman. And when i joined SoT i didnt get to pull (my reasons for being a monk) i basically sat on my ass till inc then i got to stand up and hit attack. Once it died back to my ass i sat, for well over a year this was the case. And after a while you feel like your abilities were never good enough and thats why you never got chosen to do certain tasks well i did at least. Point is I personally got over it, until lately when i get asked to pull or i just up and take the chance to pull :) and I couldnt be happier playing then when im pulling for a raid or something that causes me to challenge my abilities.



Bottom line is probably Q wasnt happy with his position in 'A' specific guild doing what they needed him to do and his best option was to leave that and find a place that he got to do what HE wanted it is after all his character. And bashing someone for making that choice is kinda petty IMO but thats whatever. Rather have someone in my guild enjoy their duties and do them with the satisfaction that they are in fact doing what they want then do something half assed because to them its fucking retarded and / or wasting their time, but thats just me.


Either way lets continue to be petty children and bash away!

also btw i always judge a player by how they play not what i hear :)

so all you people that know how badly my monk like skills suck know so from experiences with me rather than what others say about my "suckiness"



Anyways on with the petty flames!

Is that why whenever we hit BoT or you go pull crazy? *thinks about bees not too long ago*

I hear you though Dae, and as long as I'm enjoying myself and the people I'm grouped with continue to have fun... I could really give 3 rats carcases about this or that. Course, I really do hate to see someone I know get totally bashed over something so stupid and one-sided. Again, though, I realize that opinions are formed by those that have formed them, and like you, there are people the choose for themselves based off of personal experience and interaction with someone. You know, I hear how A Ro is the worse server, assholes abound, blah blah blah... I have great experiences constantly, and at least I for one, am glad to be here. 8)

Keep pulling, I'm sitting at fm damnit.

OMG... and wtf was that in PoS the other day? At least, if you dont pull as much as you want to, you know FD is good for something!

And isnt dragging bodies into a big pile nearly as fun? ;p

Off topic. Just wanted to say Hi to Calaquendi /hugs

Hello old friend good to see your still around.

/bow

Calaquendi
Retired

And isnt dragging bodies into a big pile nearly as fun? ;p


CRing for a raid is super fun!


getting a text full of spam followed by spamming my mouse to target bodies and spamming my /corpse hotkey is teh win.


Drag a pile move back a little......drag the pile....move back a little


Its supafly!

1: As long as youre level 65, the tactics of bards in raid doesnt really change be low or hig tier raids unless im retarded.

2:Querendo is being flamed for being such a drama queen leaving the raid and guild because he couldnt show off doing *the most important things* according to him, not for any other reason.

Impresario Almadar Tegleftyln
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Sig while you have Q's side of the story why not check with DoM and find out the other side? I was at that riad, they had a clear target, while otm to the zone in of PoI Q had a hissy fit because one of the people leading the raid didnt drop what they where doing and answer him back and put Q where he wanted to be. I stand by my statement that Q acted like my 2 year old throwing a fit and by doing what he did he has joined the ranks of the Amplypher club.

Actually Q quit the raid while we were still twidling our thumbs in pot without a target and logged on to an alt. He came back and quit the guild and your right we were otm when he quit but not being in the raid anymore and nothing said in GC he didnt know if we were otm or still trying to decide what we were gonna hit.

Actually Q quit the raid while we were still twidling our thumbs in pot without a target and logged on to an alt. He came back and quit the guild and your right we were otm when he quit but not being in the raid anymore and nothing said in GC he didnt know if we were otm or still trying to decide what we were gonna hit.

This is actually incorrect ... we were seconds from announcing it and talking about using bard mez to help seeing that we had a single enchanter (who did a wonderful job btw).

Baltyn knew this as he was giving us pointers as he watched the raid over his shoulder on his wife's computer.

If you want it to die, then let it die.

"In fact, Querendo is a Raid Officer within my guild now, and has proven himself to not only be of great character (personally) but a skilled and dedicated bard."

Awesome...all sarcasm aside, it makes me happy to hear when someone who freaks out at people during the raids (as a participant) actually becomes a raid leader. Maybe one day they will understand what it's like to have people deguilding because the raid leader wasn't moving fast enough. It's not a fun feeling...for the raid leader or anyone involved. Being a raid leader can be a very humbling experience...something Q is in dire need of.

"Just because someone doesnt involve themselves totally in AoR raids, or uses an /lfg tool often, doesnt mean they dont exist and dont perform extremely well for those they DO know and group with often."

No one here is seriously doubting Q's bard skills...just his unbelievable arrogance. (although, his *quoted* statement of "Overhasting casters is retarded" as though that is the only job of a bard in a caster group/raid setting is somewhat suspect).

"Also, how is it that people are overlooking the fact that Querendo didnt leave the raid, nor his guild, because of one instance of being asked to sing in a group of wizards?"

If the guild is OTM and zoning into the raid zone...it's enough to argue that the raid was in progress. In some ways this can be worse. Typically, at this point, raid leaders are dealing with a shitload of tells...trying to get groups formed up in the fastest way they can...possibly brushing up on the finer points of the encounter...dealing with the 50 little issues that always seem to pop up at the last second...maybe having to deal with a competing guild about the target...dealing with scrambling to find a key class (such as a rogue) because your one rogue you thought was available isn't...etc...ad nauseum. I don't buy your point.

"Q's own statement of: The self reference to the ferrarri is from the unbelievable speed at which bards move, which I am amazed at every time I switch to and alt and back. is explained as the "speed" of which a bard is played (pointedly, the focus and concentration that a bard takes, far more than most other EQ classes - again,"

This is completely different from his quote..."This is about me having a ferrari and letting it idle. my bard is that ferrari and I am done idling." This has nothing to do with the speed at which a bard can move. The context of this was that the guild is not utilizing him to his fullest and he's quitting. Not that this is an unjustified feeling...and I, personally, have the desire to make everyone in my guild happy (I tell raids not to wall the mobs sometimes so that rangers get all tingly...I even sometimes make sure to put a bard in MT's group on encounters when my mind isn't doing a hundred other things while leading a raid)...but having someone be upset because I couldn't dedicate my time to making sure everyone in the raid is personally satisfied is rediculous.

Maybe they are on a lower tier, but that doesn't mean running raids is any less hectic. So your target is Trakanon...that still doesn't mean you don't have 1) People asking the raid leader if the raid can camp froglok crowns, 2) people going afk/getting left behind and dying, 3) People wanting CoH's to the raid, 4) Someone wanting their DKP adjusted, 5) Someone asking you to invite their alt...ad nauseum (again!). In a perfect world this doesn't happen...this world is far from perfect.

"Many people that are posting about this are in large scale raiding guilds and will never be crossing paths with Q in the first place, at least under a 'raiding' or even 'group' experience."

Phew...this stuff is the number one reason raid leaders burn out so fast. They log in...try to get something going for everyone and then feel like they get crapped on by folks like Q. I'm hoping Q will be matured and humbled by being a raid leader...for his sake.

hmm seconds away forom announcing...is that not the same as not having a target to all but the raid leaders ?

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Fucking hell dude, theres this thing called modesty.

NOONE CARES ABOUT YOUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS ON OTHER ONLINE GAMES, THIS ALL STEMS FROM YOUR STUPID ARROGANCE. YOU ARE A PERSON LIKE EVERYONE ELSE HERE, YOU ACT AS IF YOU ARE BETTER.

Stop with that immature mindframe and wake up. none of us here are any better or worse than another.

Thanks.

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I'm better then you Grumblin.

But...but...the NAG look-alike has a rule on it Querendo :(

no names and will post this response in all applicable places so the ones doing it will know.

I have to add a little bit of "Shame on you guys". Do I love yas? yes. Do I like you all? YES, but let me just say that I was not present at the so called event and therefore I was not wronged in any way by anyone.

I am an adult and will stay out of the middle of this and continue to like you all. If that is a problem for you, then you are not my friend to begin with. I work very hard to not take on other peoples offenses, as well as not ask they take on mine.

Wow, Lyric, thank you for your post. I actually really enjoyed reading it, took what you said into consideration, and thought that it was one of the only truely thought-out posts in this thread.
There are alot of angles to look at this situation, not one of them is right nor able to justify totally one stance or the other... not one is all good good, nor are they all bad. And while I was just trying to show another side of the case that wasnt being represented what-so-ever, I can see where my own opinion looks quite biased. Thank you for bringing a fresh breath of air to this thread/incident though... I agree with alot of the points you made, but instead of arguing/justifying/or fashioning them into lines with my own views - since this topic has been beaten like a dead Drogmor - we can all let it go... at least I can. 8)
Good to see that someone that disagrees with me (whether total or in partial) can make sound statements and be a mature person. I find it quite refreshing here.
But, I'm a retard.

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seriously 6 pages god damn you people are sad.

we should just call this flame of the month pick someone at random and flame them straight for a month.

I'm bored and decided to read this thread, I got to the end of the first post and that's all I needed to read.

To the person who posted the original message (no I don't know what your name is, or give a shit really); you are a fucking moron.
Why would you post your guilds private forum shit here for everybody to see and chit chat over like their opinions were worth something. Aside from "My piss-ant feelings are hurt and I feel the need to bring my whiner drama out for everybody to see".

The guy decided he doesn't want to be in your guild anymore? boo-fucking-hoo, grab a tissue, dab your eyes; and fuck off.

I love how people get all insulted in this game when you leave their guild. Is it really that hurtfull that somebody decides they don't want to play with you anymore? It's a game, and he just decided he was gonna play his own way, and not yours. The fact that you like/dislike him doesn't even matter, he left; get over it and find another bard.

Sometimes, I'm so very glad I don't play this game anymore. The retarded guild drama bullshit is just a little much.

have a good day, grab a kleenex!

this calls for a BUD LIGHT ..

even though xan is a fucking poser, you are still a queen in my heart! <3

thanks Gokuu, I love you too.