Fire away!

Are you truly this bored?

Yes...but not as much as others!

See my response in the other thread for the republicans. It applies here as well.

This goes in both threads Rover started but...

Until we set real term limits, until we curb the "perks" these folks get, until they are made clearly accountable for each and every vote ( and the reason for voting that way) and until they cease receiving monies and "perks" after they leave office ( unless they serve 30plus years combined federal service like the rest of us) there will always be parasites that are attracted to these positions.

Tbh they do not represent the best of us, the most capable of us nor to they represent the common folks will.

Impose a two term limit and pay them the median income of their constituency. Weed out the career politicians, don't give them time to become so damn corrupt, and give them financial motive to improve our lives instead of the huge lobby money.

Nice take Sanchek! I'd be willing to jump on that bandwagon!

Problem solved! And to think this was created out of boredom...

Impose a two term limit and pay them the median income of their constituency. Weed out the career politicians, don't give them time to become so damn corrupt, and give them financial motive to improve our lives instead of the huge lobby money.


I support this message.

Impose a two term limit and pay them the median income of their constituency. Weed out the career politicians, don't give them time to become so damn corrupt, and give them financial motive to improve our lives instead of the huge lobby money.

Would congress be the ones that would have to make those changes though?

Would congress be the ones that would have to make those changes though?

Yes, which means that the chances of that passing are less than you seeing a 7' 5" red haired chinese guy taking a shit while wearing a purple flowered mini skirt and running at full speed down Route 95 in South Carolina.

Man if some up and comer took the message we're spreading and ran with it he'd have a groundswell of support.

Might be interesting to see such happen.

Like Ron Paul? Good luck getting past the media roadblock between any true reformer and the majority of the voters. The system protects itself.

Change I can believe in probably won't be coming without some torches and pitchforks at this point.

Ron Paul tried to play inside the realm of being a Republican. Which in this day and age is an albatross around the neck.

Need more hard chargers pushing , one maverick will make no difference.

Point is, he did have the huge groundswell of support that you mentioned, Republican or not. He also had a truck load of money.

It's all meaningless when you're going up against this: http://www.thenation.com/special/bigten.html

Point is, he shouldn't have tried to run as a Republican tho you and I both know a 3rd party system isn't in the works.

That being said, is that how you envision life? If it's hard and unlikely to succeed you don't keep trying when you know it's right?

Him running as a Republican is irrelevant. Kucinich has a lot of the same reform ideas that Ron Paul has and got shut down just the same. The general public is all too happy to be blissfully ignorant and let the media paint anyone telling them scary stories as a crazy.

Anyone who goes up against the consolidated interests that shape most peoples' opinions will get shut down in a popular contest.

Not sure how you can misconstrue anything I said as "don't keep trying if it's hard" though...

I hear Aol/Time Warner is currently deepening its investment in pitchforks.

GE's probably selling the torches.

Fiscally isn't Ron Paul and Barney Frank practically eye to eye? I didn't hear Paul (a career politician) ever state he wanted 2 term limits like you are suggesting, either. He's hardly a political mesiah.

There's no such thing as a messiah. That's a strawman.

With so many common folks, the non career politicians for this post's sake, wanting things to change it's a matter of time before something gives.

It's not as though we're peasents working our indentured lives away on a farm.

It's easy to forget that most of us here are quite a bit above your average US citizen, when it comes to political knowledge/involvement. Most are too easily distracted by a bit of cable TV or shiny new gadgets.

I do think some real change could boil up if the financial issues get much more out of control. I'm going to be pissed if I have to financially sacrifice for the stupidity and complacency of others though.

It's not as though we're peasents working our indentured lives away on a farm.

You sure about that?

It's easy to forget that most of us here are quite a bit above your average US citizen, when it comes to political knowledge/involvement. Most are too easily distracted by a bit of cable TV or shiny new gadgets.

I do think some real change could boil up if the financial issues get much more out of control. I'm going to be pissed if I have to financially sacrifice for the stupidity and complacency of others though.



You sure about that?

Far as I know ;P

Or,

Money is a new form of slavery, and distinguishable from the old simply by the fact that it is impersonal, there is no human relation between master and slave.

- Tolstoy

None are more enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.

- Goethe

Or,

Oh lord that last quote is the last bastion of bs.

You can run into the same bs with the following statement.

If you deny you are addicted than you are a addict.

C'mon now.

If you deny you are addicted than you are a addict.

Someone's been to a few too many AA meetings and interventions!

LMAO

I went through a 12 step program after my divorce. That philosophy seeemed rather self defeating and played more into the community of being a victim rather than the issue itself.


oh, for note I wasn't drinking during or after the marriage but I was ex USAF and my buddy knew I used to be a big power drinker during that time so he pushed me towards that "in case".

12 step programs are just like cults. Nuff said!

As for the issue of going against the status quo, maybe someone needs to make it into a "Reality show", and then it will get the attention of the General Public?