Anyone else catch this movie (http://www.sonyclassics.com/whywefight/) in theatres? Seems to have gotten a fairly wide release, which is good, although unsurprisingly there were only about 10 people at the showing I attended.

Given the distracting polarization of politics in the last ten years it was very refreshing to find something that was addressing a real problem and not blaming it on specific individuals or a party. The film obviously had its message, but it didn't club you over the head with it and gave a fair amount of time to Richard Perle of the New American Century (for the Bush apologists who don't know, this is the thinktank behind modern Republican policy) who was allowed to make some very valid points about the nature of foreign policy. Also interviewed were several former and current military, including the two pilots that dropped the opening strike of Iraqi Freedom, a retired USAF Colonel who worked in intelligence at the Pentagon, and a former CIA director.

I'm sure most of the pundits will see it as an attack on Bush, but that's merely collateral damage, to borrow a phrase.

That is quite possibly the slowest website I've ever visited.

Hillary recently accused Republicans (again) of playing the "fear" card to stay in power. Between this and Drizzen's "this isn't a Michael Moore movie, really it's not" link, she had it ass-backwards.

Freakin tin foil hat kooks.

This film was made in 2004-5 and most of the people in it are conservatives. Thanks for being as myopic as we've come to expect.

Right, and Bill Clinton was really a neocon.

Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons... I have no doubt today that, left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will use these terrible weapons again...The best way to end that threat once and for all is with a new Iraqi government — a government ready to live in peace with its neighbors, a government that respects the rights of its people. Bringing change in Baghdad will take time and effort.

Sounds an awfully lot like fearmongering to me. Glad I voted for him a second time so he could protect us from the evil boogeyman.

Gass, what the hell are you going on about, and how does it have anything to do with the film in question (other than perhaps to prove its point)?

I mean, I know you haven't seen it, since you categorically reject anything not signed off by the White House, but if you're going to go off on it can you at least make sense? If you want to take issue with the thesis of the film, or the data or opinions presented therein, please do. If you want to pick a fight with Hillary Clinton, do it on her time instead. The only thing keeping you short of Fandros level idiocy and irrelevance is that you have yet to accuse someone of being a liberal lackey. Refactoring every possible thread into some kind of red/blue-state battle royale accomplishes nothing except releasing people of the desire to respond to you.

If you want to pick a fight with Hillary Clinton, do it on her time instead. I can see why you like the motion picture kind of propaganda. The written kind is obviously too hard to grasp for you.

/yawn Malse...

I bet you flatter yourself a great mentat around your real life friends huh?

I'd wager there's at least one of your rl friends that gets just as tired of hearing you spew shit that was forced down your gullet and having you regurgitate it all back up as I do.

Fandros

Gass selectively responds to minor statement. Check.
Fandros gives me negative rep I can't see because he's on ignore. Check.

Now that the circus is out of the way, has anyone seen the film? Has anyone read anything by Chalmers Johnson? Did Sanchek ever get the site loaded on his 28.8 connection?

Hey, fear sells! Its an unfortunate fact of life and has been so since the beginning of time. Fear sells in politics and it sells in movies, its a buyers choice...which one will you buy?

I choose to buy the movies version. Some might say because I'm a gutless liberal others might say my tinfoil hat is too tight. I might say they didn't buy the movie version of fear because they are inexperienced and a bunch of Chicken hawks. The problem with that being...I do know that some on the otherside, IE: Fandros are neither chicken hawks nor inexperienced, just as I am niether a gutless liberal nor do I wear tinfoil hats.

Politicians play the "fear card" on a constant basis, whether it be FEAR AL QAEDA or FEAR THE POWERS IN CHARGE or FEAR THE POWERS THAT WANT TO BE IN CHARGE etc...

It comes in the form of Bush/Cheney campaigning with "If we dont get elected the whole nation is at risk of an attack" to Hillary and the Dems saying if we dont get elected you will have more of the current corruption and mismanagement to look forward to. Which takes us back to the Al Qaeda issue and attacks. A vicious cycle that is eaten hook line and sinker by the sheep on either side.

Its all they have and from the press standpoint IT MAKES GREAT HEADLINES.

It is really up to WE the people, average citizens to not stand for it. The big qustion is this...How do we, as average people put a stop to it and get our press and politicians to do what is right?

Well, we could call for a boycott of newspapers, tv stations and the like. The problem is that we would be looking at those media outlets to actually report that there is a movement to boycott them.

It all comes down to which package of FEAR do you buy?

I wouldn't pay money to see it in the theaters but I'll watch a burned copy if I ever get my hands on it. Wife probably like it.

It all comes down to which package of FEAR do you buy?

Personally I got the director's cut on DVD, I hate tryign to install from CDs anymore.

That being said, I can't justify the $30 to go see this in theatres, but I think it might be worth a rent. It at least looks better put together than the shit Michael Moore spews

Torrents are fairly easy to find, for the people who get charged 5 times market value for movie tickets.

http://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3424415
http://www.demonoid.com/torrents/details/206337/

People who get partisan about everything are naturally doing the most disservice to themselves. This film is easily one of the best pieces of real journalism in America in the last year, and I don't even agree with all of it. There was even a comically salient point about the cooption of the modern media to that effect.

Did Sanchek ever get the site loaded on his 28.8 connection?

He can't afford anything faster because of his Sam Deathwalker like monitor setup.

He can't afford anything faster because of his Sam Deathwalker like monitor setup.
I have to save the rest of my Burger King paycheck to keep your girl in booze while you're not around.