Wipe and reset with the same amount of vCash or add a flat amount across the board?

If wipe, I could post a list of the top 25 (or whatever) vCash holders so we could have something of a high score list and not totally wipe the sucess of the winners, but still let everyone start on equal ground for the new season.

Wipe, with a list at the top of the board for bragging rights. Include worst on that list too...I think I could make that list.

Well personally, I'd obviously prefer no wipe. I would prefer something added across the board, the people that did a good job of wagering should still have that to wager with imo. If I gamble effectively irl, I still have my spoils to gamble with in the future.

In the past people said to add vcash because IRL they could earn more money. With that same argument, if you earn money, you may get taxed, but you don't get all your money taken away from you if you do a good job of earning it.

Obviously the people that did a good job of wagering are going to get outvoted because the masses bet and lost their asses. If there's a complete wipe of what I earned over the last year, I'm probably done even playing this game anymore. It's a waste of my time if I do a good job for an entire year just to get it wiped out.

I'd like to see a flat add across the board

Change mine to no wipe. I see Taleren's point.

Tale has a good point, tho I think a sticky at the top with yearly/quarterly winners/losers ( note my lack of vcash ;P) would be fun.


Flat add imho

Fandros

I say no wipe, but not just because of my personal position...

...if you wipe, that changes a few things. First, more people would have been willing to wager it all at the end of last year. I know I would have needed a different wager strategy at the end than what I used (ie Jeopardy). And secondly, some people (myself included) have already made bets on NFL for this year, so how do you deal with that if you're going to wipe? If you want to wipe at the end of this year, that might be cool, as long as people knew it was happening ahead of time. I think a flat add across the board is ok.

I definately would have gone away from my conservative betting approach if I had known that my points would have just been wiped out anyhow.

No wipe. Besides, it's not like it really matters anyways. It's a fun way to pass the time at work/school/during raid/whatever.

Screw Tal and Shorty. I say divvy up their winnings to everyone else!

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Can I get a hell yeah!

Your not getting any of my pot pie !!


Voted no wipe, for reasons mentioned above by others.

Just give me some points.. I don't care what the rest of the people get.

Well, don't get bent out of shape, guys. I'm not going to wipe it if the majority of you don't want me to.

What if we say that there'll be a reset (with some kind of hall of fame for the top standings) at the end of this season, so you can plan your bets accordingly? My concern is that as we get people with 5-10x the starting amount, where's the competition anymore? What's the point, when only a handful of people have a legitimate shot at doing well in the overall standings?

If we are going to do wipes, then people should only get points added at the wipe time and not before. That's unfair enrichment to the people that don't know how to temper their betting. Of course would you be suggesting the wipe if you had more than 160 points? I don't think you would. Play the game intelligently and don't blow all your points on single sporting events and this wouldn't even be an issue.

You shouldn't reward people that don't bet intelligently by penalizing those that do. Think what you will, but it isn't strictly about luck of picking things. Blowing all your points on single events or half your points on single events isn't how you win at real life gambling either. Some of you have the gambling acumen of John Daly. I'd hope after a year of seeing your own gambling patterns that you'd stay out of the sports book in Vegas or Atlantic City.

I did my betting last year specifically to be able to play the game for the long haul, and that intelligent strategy is being suggested to be taken from me. A new system would reward stupid short term betting by people that get lucky in blowing their load on single events. It takes any smarts out of the equation. Do I honestly think I did a better job 'gambling' last year than the people that now have fewer points than we started with? You're damn right I do. Just like Shorty and Nekko did a better job than I for last season.

Since a wipe was not ever mentioned during last season's betting, most probably kept a certain degree of conservatism trying to ensure something left over for the next season. It would not be right to introduce something new to a season's betting that was not there during the actual season.

If a wipe is going to be considered for next season, let us know ahead of time, but do not take away that which was won by folks from last season.

What about some combination of both options?

Perhaps take away some percentage (say, 50%) from everyone's vCash, then give everyone a fixed amount on top of that (say, 400).

People who currently have 0 would end up with 400.
People who currently have 10,000 would end up with 5,400.
People like me that have yet to place a bet would stay at the current 800.

That way people who have done well retain an advantage, but those that bet it all and lost can slowly get back in the game.

Just a thought from someone on the sidelines. :P

Keep it as is, no wipe and throw some points each year. It really won't matter in the grand scheme of things if I have 10 points at the end of the season and Taleren has 100000 points. He happy with his and I'll be happy with mine, I just want something to spend at the beginning each year if I had bad luck.

This whole debate brings back memories of the old Guild Forum debates about loot points:)

In all honesty I thought that the season was over last year and I was betting to win 'last' year. I don't ever remember anyone saying anything about it being a continuous forever league.

I don't really give a shit about this Vcash but I would like some to make bets. Pretty much there is only 3 people that can win this year (probably forever now).

Let's make it two leagues .... one for all people starting with a clean slate and one for the other cocksuckers :)

Or lets just not give any points and let the people with Vcash have their fun ..... seems only fair.

I have np seeing people get occasional vcash increases, that was something that was stated initially that could happen. The wipe thing is something coming up a year later.

Or lets just not give any points and let the people with Vcash have their fun ..... seems only fair.
I'm waiting to get database access to the new server. Haven't needed it since we moved, and don't have the new logins. I should be able to do it in the next few days. Probably will give everyone +1k across the board.
Of course would you be suggesting the wipe if you had more than 160 points? I don't think you would.
Taleren, you're on crack. If I wanted 160,000 instead of 160, I'd just give it to myself. That's got nothing to do with anything. I want to make sure the whole thing is fun for everyone going forward, not only the handful of people at the top of the list who can buy the win now.

As vested as you seem to be in your vCash number, I bet you'd be singing a different tune if you were at 0 and had no realistic chance of competing in the overall standings ever again...

I haven't voted b/c I'm completely impartial. It doesn't matter to me which way we go, I just like voting!

nope, but I would be all for getting a vcash increase if I was at 0. Oh wait, I see I'm all for people receiving that now too.

Of course you could abuse the system and give yourself 160,000 points. Instead of making it obvious what you are attempting to accomplish, you are attempting to do it in a differant fashion that people would have less of a problem with.

Yeah, I'm on crack to assume you'd try and circumvent the system that you set up initially, oh wait, that's exactly what you are trying to do now. Obviously you just have a problem with someone calling you on it. You are suggesting a change that would benefit you and others in the same situation here that I've yet to see anyone that doesn't have the power to impliment such a change suggest.

Dude, look at my betting history. What are you talking about? I couldn't care less about my own vCash number. I don't use it.

After reading all the posts, I really like Palaran's idea.


It would keep the numbers pretty manageable, give the previous winners a bit of an advantage, but still let someone starting fromm scratch have a chance to compete.

Thoughts?

Also, would those opposed to any kind of reduction or wipe be willing to say we come up with a plan to implement after this season?

Why not on the anniversary of the kick-off of this betting board (approx now) kick in a fresh 800-1k cash to all, and do not take anything away.

Those that have excelled in their betting will have the large bankroll to show, and those that have lost it all will get a new bankroll when the next football season rolls around.

I know that this betting made the season fun again after several yers of being fed up with the sport, and I am sure many others had their season enhanced the same way. Thanks for setting it up. Now just leave it alone, other than a boost every anniversary. :D

Just my thoughts, of course.


edit: Unless of course the larger numbers become a headache for those managing the betting; it should be fun for all, after all.

Dude, look at my betting history. What are you talking about? I couldn't care less about my own vCash number. I don't use it.

The best part of his betting history is that he lost betting on "Georgia doesn't cover" and "Georgia Tech -8.5 v Utah".

To Hell with Georgia.

Yeah, I love that WVU gave me lots of points beating Georgia last year. And to think everyone made fun of me for betting on WVU before that game.

And to think everyone made fun of me for betting on WVU before that game.

I was one of them. I really thought UGA was gonna take it to em (and I'm a UGA h8er - Aurburn alum).

'course AU stunk it up against Wisky, too. In fact, I think a pre-season of number 4 for AU is greatly inflated this year.

+1k.

Thanks for the vCASH!!!!!

Thanks:)

looking forward to seeing some of you that got the 1000 turn it into 20,000. To quote KMFDM, let's "Rip the System."

I should be seeing them next month.

And thanks for the cash.

Just for clarification purposes, are we going to declare a "winner" this year and start over next football season or is it going to perpetual?

Should be seeing KMFDM? I've seen them 3 times, it's always great fun. Next show I'm seeing is Tool on Sept. 21, and if I can find someone to go with me I'm gonna see GWAR on Oct. 27th(friday before Halloween). I'm not a big GWAR fan like I was as a teenager, but I think it will be a hilarious Halloween show.