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Greystone Thorngage
09-29-2006, 07:52 AM
WASHINGTON -- The House approved a bill Thursday that would grant legal status to President Bush's warrantless wiretapping program with new restrictions.

"You can't say that you're serious about taking on the terrorists if you stand up here every day and vote 'no'," Majority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, said of Democrats before the bill passed 232-191.

Democrats argued it gives the president too much power and leaves the law vulnerable to being overturned by a court.

"It is ceding the president's argument that Congress doesn't matter in this area," said Rep. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md.

The bill gives legal status under certain conditions to Bush's warrantless wiretapping of calls and e-mails between people on U.S. soil making calls or sending e-mails and those in other countries.

Under the measure, the president could authorize such wiretaps if he:



<LI>Notifies the House and Senate Intelligence Committees and congressional leaders.



<LI>Believes an attack is imminent, and later explains the reason and names the individuals and groups involved.



<LI>Renews his certification every 90 days.

The Senate also could vote on a similar bill before Congress recesses at the end of this week


That part that scares me is the "belives an attack is immineent, and LATER explains the reason and names the individuals and groups involved."

Basically Bush can go, hmm, i think <insert group of people here> is going to attack, bug them and later we'll come up with a reason why we did it.

Both chambers this week approved legislation that sets up "military commissions" to prosecute terrorists. It also would prohibit the severe abuse of detainees, like mutilation and rape, but grant the president leeway to decide which other interrogation techniques are permissible.

The overall bill would prohibit war crimes and define such atrocities as rape and torture but otherwise would allow the president to interpret the Geneva Conventions, the treaty that sets standards for the treatment of war prisoners.

Why are we giving the executive branch this much power to interpret. I thought it was the Judicial branches responsibility to interpret law/treaty.

The office of the president is getting WAY too much power. Where is the line going to be drawn where the President CANT do something. So far its like he gets free reign to do whatever the hell he wants.

akipt
09-29-2006, 09:06 AM
No time to find a relevent example.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/?&sid=cp105qnr3E&refer=&r_n=sr101.105&db_id=105&item=&sel=TOC_7263&
Under the U.S. Constitutional system, the treaty-making power is shared between the President and the Senate. (Article II, section 2, clause 2). Once a treaty is consented to by the Senate, and ratified by the President, the President is charged with `faithfully executing' it. In this role, the President has the responsibility--absent adjudication--to interpret treaties. But as the Committee stated in ¨4�*its report on the INF Treaty, `the Constitution permits the President, acting alone, only to interpret existing treaties--not to make new ones. To remain within the scope of his constitutional power, the President must genuinely be engaged in the act of treaty interpretation.' INF Treaty Rept., at 438.

And no, this president doesn't have "WAY too much power." Even a casual study of historical perspective and you would see that at no other time in this nation's history (especially during a time of "war") have we seen our judicial and legislative branches using their powers more effectively (whether right or wrong) in checking the executive's power.

Greystone Thorngage
09-29-2006, 10:17 AM
i guess the perception is that Bush is getting to "suspend" or circumvent laws that were in effect.

LArge area of concern.

Rover
09-29-2006, 10:37 AM
Hey we brought great things to Iraq... read it here (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/29/world/middleeast/29media.html)

Sixee
09-29-2006, 11:27 AM
Yeah, GW is to blame for the making of Iraqi law as well.
So is he as dumb as a chimp? Or is he an Evil Genius <tm>?
People who hate him, can't seem to make up their minds....

Rover
09-29-2006, 11:38 AM
Yeah, GW is to blame for the making of Iraqi law as well.
So is he as dumb as a chimp? Or is he an Evil Genius <tm>?
People who hate him, can't seem to make up their minds....

No, he's not to blame for the laws of the Iraqi's you gimp. He is to blame for backing a government that jails its citizens for simple dissenting opinions. We are now officially backing a government who's laws are pretty much the same as were the laws of the government we deposed.

Everything about Bush is bullshit, including the tough talking texan image that is projected by his handlers.

Bush was born in Connecticut, spent his grammar school years and high school in Massachusettes, spent his summers vacationing in Maine and went to college in Connecticut.

For the life of me I will never understand how people buy this crap that Bush and company sell.

Lleauric
09-29-2006, 04:41 PM
Well, so much for bringing democracy to Iraq.

I quess thats gone the way of the WMD hunt, eh Sixee?