View Full Version : 'World Series' ???
aesahaetr
09-15-2003, 03:12 AM
I`ve always wondered this,just why the hell is this US only event in baseball actually called The 'World series' ? seeing as it only involves the US ;) What..afraid someone might beat you at your own game :)
Don`t feel bad,the English haven`t won the world cup since 1966 :o
Here`s an interesting fact :
Numbers don't lie. Or do they?
>
> A bit of world cup fun :
>
> Brazil last won the world cup in 1994.
> Before that they won it in 1970.
> Add 1970 and 1994, it equals 3964.
>
> Argentina last won the world cup in 1986.
> Before that they won it in 1978.
> Add 1978 and 1986, it equals 3964.
>
> Germany last won in 1990.
> Before that they won in 1974.
> Add 1990 and 1974, it equals 3964.
>
> Here's the scary part:
>
> England last won the cup in 1966.
> Add it to 1998...
>
> IT EQUALS 3964!!
Sadly we didn`t win the cup,thus negating that little thoery ;)
Scarmaker
09-15-2003, 04:11 AM
Not a U.S. only event. Canada has two professional baseball teams that have each won the world series. There are no professional baseball teams that exist outside of Canada and the U.S. We do however have baseball players from many different countries that are NOT U.S. citizens who play in the major league. So I suppose you could say that the best of all countries is represented.
Darus Grey
09-15-2003, 04:21 AM
Doesn't Japan have a professional baseball league?
Scarmaker
09-15-2003, 04:31 AM
They have what's about equal to an American minor league team that they call professional. We recruited most of their best players.
EDIT: Please trim down your sig.450x150 please.Thanks.
deaath1
09-15-2003, 08:45 AM
It is also a 7 game series and most other sports base there champs on a one game scenario.
Ailwon
09-15-2003, 03:58 PM
Baseball was invented in the US....I always thought that the term "World" was put in place when the US was the only country playing it.
"What..afraid someone might beat you at your own game"
Not likely, the rest of the world is smartly playing a better sport called football (soccer in the US :')
disclaimer - the previous statement portrays only one man's opinion and does not in anyway try to reflect the opinions or beliefs of anyone else or any country :'p
Santerre
09-15-2003, 04:07 PM
I for one would be willing to bet that the Yankees could beat any team composed of players that are not current ML baseball players in 4 straight games, regardless where in the world they are from. For example, the "best" Japanese home run hitter from the past few years joined the Yankees this year. He bats 7th.
Crist0
09-15-2003, 04:59 PM
What..afraid someone might beat you at your own game
I'm reminded of the 1992 US olympic basketball team when I read that statement.
Palimax Sceleris
09-15-2003, 07:43 PM
It's the "World Series of Every Team Good Enough to Compete."
Does that help?
Baseball is a pretty big sport outside of the United States. It's very popular in Latin America and Japan.
Yes, as was said before: While Baseball is played in 162-game seasons, and you play teams multiple games to determine ANYTHING, I'd still take nearly any MLB team with a winning record against a team comprised of the "best 25 people not playing baseball in the MLB."
I'd still take nearly any MLB team with a winning record against a team comprised of the "best 25 people not playing baseball in the MLB."
I guess that means that detroits not getting picked for that game huh.
Piyn
Palimax Sceleris
09-16-2003, 12:07 AM
For those of you not into baseball, or, not living in this country, Detroit is miserable. One of the worst teams of all-time.
Detroit is 38-110 with a .257 win percentage this season. They're on pace to become one of the worst-losing (percentage) team in the "modern era" of Baseball.
They've narrowly avoided the 1916 Philadelphia Athletics (36-117, .235), it looks like they'll avoid the 1935 Boston Braves (38-115, .248) , and it even looks like they'll beat out the 1962 New York Mets (40-120, .250).
But there's hope for them. With a little luck, they could get 121 losses, giving them the most losses in the modern era.
[Actually, I don't know if that's true. I'm going to guess that of the 14 or so games they have left they could most certainly lose 11 of them, but there's a good chance that they have a couple postponed or rained out games that I don't know about that might not be of consequence. If they have a make-up game to play and it doesn't alter the standings, I'm pretty sure it's not getting played.]
You know what though? All things said, I still think they could take a 7-game series from anyone elses baseball team. Hell, they win 25% of their games against REAL opponents.
aesahaetr
09-16-2003, 01:51 PM
So,i`m confused.You`re saying that non American teams may enter the world series if they like ? e.g. teams from china,russia,brazil.If they existed ?
Darus Grey
09-16-2003, 04:19 PM
Yes I suppose..I don't think any have ever tried ;>.
Palimax Sceleris
09-16-2003, 06:43 PM
So,i`m confused.You`re saying that non American teams may enter the world series if they like ? e.g. teams from china,russia,brazil.If they existed ?The World Series is the culminating set of games that determine the winner of a North Americian league of teams. -- "Major League Baseball"
To play in the World Series, you'd have be the winner of a division of teams, and then play in a series of play-offs.
To join Major League Baseball, you'd have to have a team, have a place to play, be able to play the other teams, and have the money to join. A franchise probably runs in the 9 figure range.
Santerre
09-16-2003, 06:59 PM
I'd take even money on Detroit vs. the Japanese or Cuban league "all-star" teams. However, I'd take the AAA all-star team over Detroit.
Palimax Sceleris
09-16-2003, 07:05 PM
I'd take even money on Detroit vs. the Japanese or Cuban league "all-star" teams. However, I'd take the AAA all-star team over Detroit. I agree. Pitchers like Brandon Webb demonstrate the quality of young players waiting in AAA ball.
For those of you who aren't into baseball, AAA, AA, and A baseball are minor leagues. The teams are owned by the major-league teams, and players work their way up through farm systems until they're ready to play in the big game.
Each MLB team has 4-5+ minor league teams playing in each league and division.
My team of choice looks like this:
MLB - Arizona Diamondbacks - National League
Class AAA - Tucson Sidewinders - Pacific Coast League
Class AA - El Paso Diablos - Texas League
Class A Advanced - Lancaster JetHawks - California League
Class A - South Bend Silver Hawks - Midwest League
Class A Short - Yakima Bears - Northwest League
Rookie - Missoula Osprey - Pioneer League
SELAN STORMMASTER
09-17-2003, 03:51 AM
The destinction of it being called the "World Series" happened over a period of time. The history can be found here
www.rose-hulman.edu/~rick...sname.html (http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~rickert/BB/wsname.html)
Remember that when baseball was first invented it was only played in America. The champion could honestly call themselves world champions as their was no other leagues or teams to dispute it...one of the main reasons it is still called the "World Series" today is because of tradition...and because the baseball leagues in the United States represent the highest level of baseball competition anywhere in the world...
SELAN STORMMASTER
09-17-2003, 03:58 AM
Canada has two professional baseball teams that have each won the world series.
Known As
Montreal Expos (1969-present)
Caught up in the enthusiasm for the World's Fair and Exposition, hosted in Montreal in 1967, the expansion team was named the "Expos." The logo on their caps "ELB" stands for Expos Le Basebol.
Titles
No World Championships
No Pennants
Two division titles (1981*, 1994)
One Post-Season Appearance (1981)
Sorry buddy...only one championship....
aesahaetr
09-17-2003, 04:55 AM
So,basically It`s not the ' World Series ' :) in short...
Anyhoo,strange is it may seem i don`t out and out hate Baseball.Though the main problems i have with the major US sports Baseball/'Football' Is that they lack fluidity and rythem.Baseball isn`t as bad as Football for it though.From what i`ve seen of it there are about 10 - 30 seconds of actual play in US Football for every 5 mins of time.
I was watching a game the other day on channel 5,wasn`t a recent one mind.Where they would set up complicated formations,etc for along time.Then when the actual ball is released it was all over in under 10 seconds.This to me isn`t exactly entertaining,in fact it`s downright boring.
Though on the other hand US football has it`s up sides,rugby may be more fluid.But due to the fact that US football players wear so much padding,the hits are often far more entertaining to watch.
I`ve also watched abit of Soccer(sp) US style. ( Alot of people might not know but the US actually did very well in the last cup ).They were in the semi`s along side England,England playing Brazil and US playing Germany.
Sadly we both lost :( but at least we lost to the cup
winners :D Even though the US are a young team in terms of football i can see them doing well in Cups to come.
Esbat
09-17-2003, 04:54 PM
In Rugby, play does not stop when someone is tackled. In US Football, it does. That is one of the hardest things to learn if you are coming from an american football background- the other being you have to touch the ball to the ground in the try zone, not just run in.
Rugby also does not care about yardage and downs, and there is no foward passing. So, you have to do a lot of work to get the ball into position, and play never stops. There are more people on the field in rugby (In union rules- 15) vs. football. Scrums, mauls, kicks- rugby has a ton of ways to keep play flowing and *varied*.
My personal favorite- the Line Out.
The net effect is that rugby is often more a "Grinding" sport, while american football can have high drama every play... then pause... drama... pause.
Esbat
09-17-2003, 04:59 PM
Oh, I should add I'm a US resident who picked up Rugby very late (in University) and that I have not played in... a long time. So don't crucify me, Euro and Southern Hemisphere crowd- you all know more about it and play it better than I did.
aesahaetr
09-18-2003, 02:42 AM
Nope,that was actually a pretty accurate description of both sports i`d say :D
Esbat
09-18-2003, 03:43 AM
I'm just waiting for Celticrugger to come in and tell me I got it all wrong, so I can bring up hurling.
Osgiliath666
09-18-2003, 03:48 AM
The one sport I don't get but would love to learn is Aussie Rules Football. Damn those dudes beat the shit out of eachother and I just can't grasp the rules.
Crist0
09-18-2003, 10:40 AM
Then when the actual ball is released it was all over in under 10 seconds.This to me isn`t exactly entertaining,in fact it`s downright boring.
And yet you'll watch soccer where a good game consists of three scores in 90 minutes...talk about boring.
Haloface
09-18-2003, 11:51 AM
'And yet you'll watch soccer where a good game consists of three scores in 90 minutes...talk about boring.'
- His point isn't that the only action lies in scoring. He means that those sports, as opposed to American Football, are a lot more fluid, and periods of play and contact go on for longer. Whereas American Football, well, does not. Kinda like 'Go, stop, go, stop, go stop!'
Santerre
09-18-2003, 06:34 PM
Thing I can never figure out in a "fluid" sport like soccer or even hockey, when the hell do I get up to get another beer and take a leak? I'd hate to be watching a soccer game, run to the fridge, and miss all the scoring in the game.
Ailwon
09-18-2003, 07:02 PM
"Thing I can never figure out in a "fluid" sport like soccer or even hockey, when the hell do I get up to get another beer and take a leak? I'd hate to be watching a soccer game, run to the fridge, and miss all the scoring in the game. "
That's the thing Santerre...arrange it so you don't have to get up :eek
or
Have a TV in the Bathroom and Kitchen :p
Palimax Sceleris
09-18-2003, 07:09 PM
TIVO!
aesahaetr
09-19-2003, 08:28 AM
Thing I can never figure out in a "fluid" sport like soccer or even hockey, when the hell do I get up to get another beer and take a leak? I'd hate to be watching a soccer game, run to the fridge, and miss all the scoring in the game.
:rollin ROFL!
You may have just identified why US football is so Start,stop,start,stop :D
Though that`s why they have those armchairs with fridges in :lol
Licck Nfrogz
09-22-2003, 05:37 AM
I play rugby too. I'm from Costa Rica. hello
Lleauric
09-22-2003, 03:54 PM
did ya ever watch Walter Payton run with the ball?
www.canoe.ca/FootballNFLW...yton9.html (http://www.canoe.ca/FootballNFLWalterPayton/payton9.html)
grace, power, athletism... it was a thing of sheer beauty
No sport has the drama of football, the pagentry..
"I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is the moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle-victorious."
-vince lombardi
Haloface
09-22-2003, 07:32 PM
'No sport has the drama of football, the pagentry..'
- Not true.
Gerfs
09-22-2003, 08:16 PM
' Not true. '
-Of course
-you would
-say that
Santerre
09-22-2003, 09:13 PM
My wife tells me Halo is right; there's far more pageantry in figure skating. I was completely unaware of that, and intend to remain so.
Selwen Soulgazer
09-23-2003, 07:07 AM
Hockey is the ultimate culmination of Strength,finesse,agility,speed,skill and violence. Nothing compares.
Gerfs
09-23-2003, 04:34 PM
Hockey is the ultimate culmination of Strength,finesse,agility,speed,skill and violence. Nothing compares.
WRONG BUD!!!
UFC > All!
Selwen Soulgazer
09-23-2003, 06:57 PM
you ever see Ken Shamrock skate? not pretty :p
Gerfs
09-23-2003, 07:15 PM
LOL Sel!
Would be about..or in this case aboot, like watching Patrick Roy aginst Tank Abbot. hehe :)
Dartaignon
09-23-2003, 08:01 PM
Big Poppa Pump > all
I stopped watching baseball after the strike. Yay for overpaid athletes.
Wrasslin is the male version of Soap Opera. Fighting and Drama all wrapped up into one little bundle.
Santerre
09-23-2003, 08:33 PM
I stopped watching baseball after the strike.
I did too... but then my Yanks made the World Series in '96 and all was forgiven.
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