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Sanchek
06-16-2008, 07:22 PM
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/16/world-trusts-ahmadinejad-more-than-bush-to-do-the-right-thing-regarding-world-affairs/

A new World Public Opinion poll of 20 nations finds that just 2 percent say that they have “a lot” or “some” confidence that President Bush will do “the right thing regarding world affairs.” Bush ranks below Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, but just edges out Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf:

Maybe we should just have his name changed to Bush-Nero.

Lleauric
06-16-2008, 07:42 PM
Bush ranks below...Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin

well, Duh!

http://media.canada.com/gallery/posted/0813putin475.jpg

akipt
06-16-2008, 08:13 PM
If you can't tell the difference between Bush and Achmmernutjob or Putin, you're a tool.

Secondly, if we were governed by world opinion polls, neither of you would have a country that would be called the USA. We'd have to close up shop. Bye bye, was nice knowin ya.

Anyway, lastly, I really don't think doing "the right thing regarding world affairs" should be high on his or her list of things to do each day. Sorry, President Bush has done more good for the world than Clinton ever did. But the world would rather have the Clinton and the Al Gore. That tells me people aren't that smart in these polls, or they have other motives. I suspect it's the latter.

World opinion can go fuck itself.

Sanchek
06-16-2008, 08:16 PM
Neither Clinton nor Gore appeared anywhere in those numbers.

Also, if you think that our current (or past) President is working to put US sovereignty ahead of the rest of the world, I have some required reading for you. You might be surprised, or already in denial. Not sure which.

Personally, I was shocked to learn just how much Clinton and Dubya had really done to undermine our sovereignty. I think it's difficult to reconcile their levels of deceit, when you're an honest person and don't think that way.

Smidget
06-16-2008, 10:42 PM
Well, bush managed to burn every last bit of credibility with the Iraq war. This poll reflects that very distrust. Which is why there is no possibility that we'll get any sort of coalition together to fight any Iranian threat - real or imaginary. You can thank bush and his team for crying wolf so often that no one in the world believes him any more.

I happen to be running for elected office this fall. I am also a registered Republican. If bush said that the sky was blue, I'd go outside and look up before I believed him.

Lleauric
06-16-2008, 11:30 PM
Sorry, President Bush has done more good for the world than Clinton ever did.

Talk about damning by faint praise.

Dont peddle that "Bush has made the world a better place" bunch of horse shit.

To compare Clinton and Bush and their global impact is easy.. Both are criminally responsible for a lot of this shit storm we are enjoying. The only difference is Clinton's crimes are ones of omission while Bush's are crimes of commission.

akipt
06-17-2008, 07:43 AM
Neither Clinton nor Gore appeared anywhere in those numbers.Sorry to disappoint, but I never bothered to follow the link to your useless and biased poll. It's a fact though that this tripe has been used by Gore, then Kerry, and now Obama as why they need to be elected.

...there is no possibility that we'll get any sort of coalition together to fight any Iranian threat - real or imaginary.That's why the UN Security Council is doing another round of sanctions? I think you're wrong. Even if what you're saying is true, do you honestly believe the other countries can't think for themselves? Granted, the guy in the woods facing a bear armed with only a knife is going to act differently than the guy with a rifle, but suicide is not the path they're likely to take.

Dont peddle that "Bush has made the world a better place" bunch of horse shit. No, horse shit is your idolizing of Putin, but do whatever floats your boat.

Sanchek
06-17-2008, 08:36 AM
Sorry to disappoint, but I never bothered to follow the link to your useless and biased poll. It's a fact though that this tripe has been used by Gore, then Kerry, and now Obama as why they need to be elected.

Head in the sand much?

Anyway, you missed the target by quite a bit. It's not some conspiratorial Bush hit-piece. Ahmadinejad is just barely ahead of him. The world simply thinks both of them (in addition to Brown and Musharraf) are trouble waiting to happen.

akipt
06-17-2008, 08:57 AM
Head in the sand much? No, I simply don't fret over what the rest of the world thinks. If they're more worried about what Bush is going to do than Achmednutjob who wants to usher in the Islamic version of Revelations with all its blood and glory for the last Imam, then fuck them. They deserve to live in their little hovel of ignorant bliss.

But don't bring their ignorant views to my world and try to make me give a fuck.

Sanchek
06-17-2008, 08:59 AM
Achmednutjob who wants to usher in the Islamic version of Revelations with all its blood and glory for the last Imam

But don't bring their ignorant views to my world and try to make me give a fuck.

Priceless.

Ibudin
06-17-2008, 09:07 AM
World needs a hand out, who is going to give it to them first Nutjob, or Hick? Sucks the world sees it that way, even though I don't put much stock ino the poll.

akipt
06-17-2008, 09:10 AM
Priceless.Coming from someone who vigorously defends 9/11 conspiracies, my feelings aren't hurt with your scorn.

Fandros
06-17-2008, 09:56 AM
Hmmm I didn't get polled for that question.

I dislike all polls, they are twisted to suit needs more often than not. Target audiences that will vote one way to a point is supported.

Sanchek
06-17-2008, 12:04 PM
Coming from someone who vigorously defends 9/11 conspiracies, my feelings aren't hurt with your scorn.

Irrelevant misdirection to avoid the fact that you're parroting a known mistranslation?

Laughable either way, since you know that I don't subscribe to any of the conspiracy theories. Of the two of us, you bought into the most fantastical theory of them all... The official story.

Regardless, I don't "scorn" you. I was in your shoes a year or two ago, myself.

Lleauric
06-17-2008, 01:00 PM
I have found forgiveness in my heart for you as well akipt.

I know its not you, its the Kool-Aid talking. And I know its really hard on ones ego to be completely wrong about everything for 8 years running.

Its ok. /hug

Ok... off to stare at Putin's hypnotic nipples.

akipt
06-17-2008, 01:16 PM
Irrelevant misdirection to avoid the fact that you're parroting a known mistranslation?Actually no, it's not a mistranslation. He's called for the return of his 12th Imam in both the 2006 UN General Assembly speech and his 2007 Columbia speech.

That's why when everyone dunders around defending his 'wipe Israel off the map' comment was a mistranslation, I raise my eyebrows and wonder why Achmed has never actually protested that he was mistranslated to my knowledge.

Arguing about his specific Israel comments is pointless anyway. He's made his will known in other speeches.

When he's calling for the return of his 12th Imam, it would be like Bush calling for the return of Christ. There won't be any non-believers left standing and no governments other than God's when it's all done. Justice will be brought to all the non-believers.

Laughable either way, since you know that I don't subscribe to any of the conspiracy theories. Of the two of us, you bought into the most fantastical theory of them all... The official story.Then WTF was that thread about? An exercise in your debate skillz?

velvetsilence
06-17-2008, 01:30 PM
Akipt your chasing firefly's here. Ahmagunadodajews is fairly irrelevent politicaly. always was. the Queen of england wields more defacto political power than he ever did. the statements he made were political rhetoric before a specific crowd no differant than David duke standing up at a KKK rally and proclaiming that the Confederate Flag should fly along side Old Glory at all times.
That and Putins nipples really are hypnotic.

Sanchek
06-17-2008, 01:45 PM
Actually no, it's not a mistranslation. He's called for the return of his 12th Imam in both the 2006 UN General Assembly speech and his 2007 Columbia speech.

That's why when everyone dunders around defending his 'wipe Israel off the map' comment was a mistranslation, I raise my eyebrows and wonder why Achmed has never actually protested that he was mistranslated to my knowledge.

Arguing about his specific Israel comments is pointless anyway. He's made his will known in other speeches.

When he's calling for the return of his 12th Imam, it would be like Bush calling for the return of Christ. There won't be any non-believers left standing and no governments other than God's when it's all done. Justice will be brought to all the non-believers.

All that, and yet Bush worries more people in the world than Ahmadinejad. That says something!

It's silly anyway, since Ahmadinejad has very little power. The Ayatollah is who you should be paying attention to. Khamenei threw up a scarecrow to play bad-cop, and the entire world bought it.

Ahmadinejad has done little to nothing. Bush invaded two counties. I can't imagine why the world would be more worried about Bush's actions than Ahmadinejad's. Who knows who'll have "WMDs" or "terrorists" next?!

Then WTF was that thread about? An exercise in your debate skillz?

I believe in one less conspiracy theory than you do. The difference between that and what you claimed is not subtle.

akipt
06-17-2008, 01:46 PM
Geesh, talk about head in the sand.

Sanchek
06-17-2008, 01:52 PM
Tell that to the people protesting and rioting around the world lately, just because Bush sets foot in their cities. Yesterday, for example (http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/06/16/Protesters_greet_Bush_in_Britain/UPI-72041213623105/).

Rover
06-17-2008, 02:18 PM
The problem is that 28% of Americans that buy into the Bush rhetoric also ignore the facts. It is well known and documented that Ahmadinejad has little actual power and can in no way send the Iranian armed forces into any place in Iran let alone the persian gulf or Iraq.

He's, in effect, powerless and nothing more than a point of fear that the Bush administration uses to dupe the uninformed, misinformed and gullible.

akipt
06-17-2008, 02:34 PM
Tell that to the people protesting and rioting around the world lately, just because Bush sets foot in their cities.I really don't know how to say this any more simply. I don't give a fuck what they think. They're idiots and/or have their other motivations that mean nothing to me. Forgive me please for yawning when Bush meets protestors in a city that just elected a communist as mayor. Sorry, they're values just don't match mine.

Lleauric
06-17-2008, 03:14 PM
Iranian Government Power Flow Chart

http://news.bbc.co.uk/furniture/in_depth/middle_east/2000/iran_elections/iran_struggle_for_change/who_holds_power/flowchart_imap.gif

Supreme Leader

The role of Supreme Leader was established by Ayatollah Khomeini, and placed him at the top of Iran’s political power structure. The Supreme Leader - currently Ayatollah Ali Khamenei - appoints the head of the judiciary, the clergy members on the powerful Council of Guardians, the commanders of all the armed forces, Friday prayer leaders and the head of radio and TV. He also confirms the president's election. The leader is chosen by the clerics who make up the Assembly of Experts.

also refer to here for more information

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/middle_east/03/iran_power/html/cabinet.stm

Who the fuck cares what Ackmakesneoconserect says. He has ZERO practical power.

I don't give a fuck what they think.
You and the other 26%ers are gonna find out what it feels like on the other end of that bold pronunciation. Welcome to Democracy bitch, your idiocy has consequences.

After this election Democrats will have 58+ seats in the Senate and probably a super majority in the House, there is a 65% likelyhood that Democrats will win the Presidency as well. During the next 8 years there will be probably about 7 Supreme Court Appointments, including Scalia most likely, and I don't know if you've seen Clarence Thomas lately, but he is the oldest looking 59 year old I have ever seen.

This isnt an accident. You lost because your ideology and your party DESERVED to lose.

Have fun wandering in the wilderness for the next 3 decades.

velvetsilence
06-17-2008, 03:46 PM
I'm just supposed to ignore the mouth. Gotcha.

Exactly, well that is if you can apply half an Nth of your brain power to ignoring the sound bite BS and looking at what we in the real world call "reality"!

Ailwon
06-17-2008, 04:11 PM
you'd probably realize the world doesn't really hate you as an American half as much as they protest.

I don't mean to gang up but.....duh! They hate our government, or more to the point, specifically this administration.

But just to be safe...where a Tee-shirt that says either:

"I'm actually Canadian"

or

"I voted for Kerry" :)

Sanchek
06-17-2008, 08:39 PM
I really don't know how to say this any more simply. I don't give a fuck what they think. They're idiots and/or have their other motivations that mean nothing to me.

Well, I guess this is where we won't agree.

You're working for an employer that benefits from more strife and turmoil. I suppose you have every reason to hope for more worldwide conflict and truly have no reason to give a damn about the rest of the world.

On the other hand, I do a fair amount of international business these days. I see our economy tanking, and our currency on a downhill slide compared to the world. This sentiment of "fuck the world" is killing those of us not suckling at the MI Complex teet.

velvetsilence
06-18-2008, 07:07 AM
That's just delicious. I'm supposed to ignore everything Iran says

Let me try and simplify this for ya brother.

Newt gingrich can go before the camera and spout whatever BS he see's fit atm and i (while will listen) could care less because the truth is he a politically marginalized has been who has no real power in this country.
Same with Pat Buchannon(sp?)
Jesse Jackson could wrap his penis with red ribbon and a bell and then dance the Hammer dance while giving a speech on reparations and other than an amusing you tube video it means jack.

If you go back a page or two and take a good look at the chart posted concerning the break down of actuall power in Iran you might learn something.
that bieng the fact that Ahmadikweeds job is nothing more than a ceremonial position created by the Supreme Ayattolamathingie to appear more democratic.

fildien
06-18-2008, 09:56 AM
I don't mean to gang up but.....duh! They hate our government, or more to the point, specifically this administration.

But just to be safe...where a Tee-shirt that says either:

"I'm actually Canadian"

or

"I voted for Kerry" :)


This is awesome :)

I am not sure I buy into what any gov't says. It is very aparent to most folks though that our image and econonmy are taking a hit from our recent policies. I for one hope that in the coming years things change.

Jedd Corpse
06-18-2008, 10:07 AM
The world trusts Ahmadenijad more then Bush, because he hasn't launched 2 wars.

Oh and FYI... The US and Israel have more seriously threatened Iran, then Iran ever threatened Israel.

Rover
06-18-2008, 10:10 AM
The world trusts Ahmadenijad more then Bush, because he hasn't launched 2 wars.

Oh and FYI... The US and Israel have more seriously threatened Iran, then Iran ever threatened Israel.


Just curious; has Iran, as a nation, in the recent past of presently - 10 years ago ever seriously threatened Israel?

Jedd Corpse
06-18-2008, 10:14 AM
Just curious; has Iran, as a nation, in the recent past of presently - 10 years ago ever seriously threatened Israel?

Iran has never seriously threatened Israel. Ahmadenijad runs his mouth, and the Regime speaks badly about Israel. Calling them evil and such for their treatment of fellow Muslims.

All this feigned fear of Iran attacking Israel with Nuclear weapons is Lunacy. Israel is the home to the most sacred Muslim holy sites, and history. The Iranians didn't even use Chemical weapons against their most hated enemy in Iraq after they used them on Iranian villages, and soldiers.

Now we are supposed to believe that they are a nuclear threat? Nonsense.