Does the Alliance suck on every server?

On Elune, I've never seen the Alliance even capture the flag ONE time. We sweep them everytime, whether it's an assorted group of newbs, or a group composed mostly of Altera Vita, the top Alliance guild. (Semedi sucks!)

They were warned in advance that their zergling tactics would fail them. Now they're crying that shaman are the cause of their problems.

I can't even goto the WoW forums without laughing my ass off at all the "OMG NERF SHAMAN" "OMG HORDE RACIALS ARE BETTER11!!11" "GMS ALL PLAY SHAMAN" threads.

Suck it up bitches, it's time to learn how to play.

On my server, Stormrage, Alliance was getting pwned early on becaus of no real tactics. But based on the activity on the server board, we appear to be doing better and starting to hold our own.

Shamans rock...

So do paladins.

I'm inclined to think that it's more of an issue of teamwork than anything. They are so uncoordinated and stupid. They all stay on defense, we still capture the flag. They go all out offense, we leave one mage to kill them.

They just suck.

I haven't really bothered playing since they went live, but on Test we beat the Alliance nearly every time unless we got a bugged instance that had a Horde team zoning in after the Alliance had already captured a flag twice with no opposition. Then I noticed a few things about flag mechanics and one afternoon got a solid group of players that stayed together a few runs, that time we utterly destroyed them 3-0 in like 5 minutes several times in a row. We dominated Alterac both times I played that too, but this was before it got retuned and it was impossible to actually win.

One thing I've been hearing since release is that the only Alliance teams getting wins are from our server resident raid-zergers with MC gear and teamspeak, and even they only win against pick-up teams. If I can get a known-good team together I'd be inclined to play again to shut their pompous yaps :>

Does the Alliance suck on every server?

Hardly. It just seems that people on the alliance, unlike the horde, don't have the bizzare need to constantly say how much better they are all the time. It's similar to PVP/Bluebies or the south park goths/conformists.

On Lothar, if both sides are pickup its usually 50/50. In warsong that is, I've yet to do Alterac on Live. Horde has better healing, but we have better flag cappers and defense from my experience. (I've seen 3 people hold off 7 on multiple occasions.) I'm yet to lose if at least 5 of the people that came in were organized from the start.

Shaman are only a huge problem when there's five of them, which I've seen a few times. Being a warlock, undead priests are my biggest annoyance. Thankfully, most people don't know how to really take advantage of their abilities on the map yet. So far, I've met a druid, rogue, hunter, shaman, and even a mage that might as well count as 6 or 7 people all by themselves. I've seen a druid and rogue win a map each nearly by themselves.

Heh, yeah, stealth tends to rule battlegrounds. I feedbacked that a lot on Test but I don't thnik it got to human ears. On my test rogue I habitually did solo flag returns and a small druid/rogue team could capture Alterac positions without really having to fight the defenders.

Hardly. It just seems that people on the alliance, unlike the horde, don't have the bizzare need to constantly say how much better they are all the time. It's similar to PVP/Bluebies or the south park goths/conformists.

You obviously don't play on Elune.

And I've never played Alterac Valley yet, but for us at least the easiest way to win Warsong Gulch is to just have two druids. That way sprint is always up and if they go in with a priest/shaman they probably aren't going to die.

Oh, and is anyone else in stitches over the Alliance morons bitching about queues? One of them even had the gall to say "Had I known, I would have rolled Horde!" Seriously, what rock do you have to be living under to NOT see this coming?

It's payback.

Having a 5:1 ratio rocked for a while, but now it's our time. :devil

If they implement a betrayal quest, I think the faction that the person is moving to should get to vote on if they can in fact come over.

Does the Alliance suck on every server?

On Elune, I've never seen the Alliance even capture the flag ONE time. We sweep them everytime, whether it's an assorted group of newbs, or a group composed mostly of Altera Vita, the top Alliance guild. (Semedi sucks!)

We steamroll the horde. Each and every time. I usually score highest.

On Whisperwind, the Horde walked over the Alliance on the very first Alterac BG, due mostly to a bunch of newbies working on the quests instead of fighting the horde. The horde of course were using the favorite mantra of 'no more zerg, you are teh l0se!'.

The next one the alliance were pushing back the horde all the way to their fort, whereupon a bunch quit, which caused the BG to shut down. Apparently this has happened a couple of times since then. I'm guessing the horde just doesnt like to admit they're losing or something. /shrug

On the Gulch BG's I've done, it's pretty evenly split, though I was pretty proud of a recent one I was on which was half guildies, half pickup. My guild's currently farming Strat through UBRS, and the opposing horde side were the horde guilds that were farming MC. We barely lost, 3 to 2 - did really well imo considering they had 3 druids and 2 shamen, along with the gear difference.

All in all, I'm mostly seeing a lot of smack talk from the horde, but their renowned 'tactical prowess' sure isnt showing up on my server.

I personally am enjoying the even matchups - I never cared for the zerging of TM/Barrens. That was always really dull, but I did it to get my requisite CP's - being on a PvE server that was really the only way to get PvP action until the BG's came out.

Alliance do well on Skullcrusher...but we also outnumber them by 1.5 alliance to 1 horde from what ive herd... And about the queues...i really dont mind waiting the 30-1 hour wait..its just i hate it when it tells me its gonna be 15 minutes and its well over that.

Almost makes me want to take up the game just for the pvp aspects. /chuckle

Fandros

Almost makes me want to take up the game just for the pvp aspects. /chuckle

Fandros

The Warsong Gulch battleground is amazingly awesome in my opinion. Only problem is that you can hide the flag.

Think the alliance vs horde is 2 to 1 or so on my server, 50% of which I swear are NE rogues >< We're quite a bit more organized than the alliance from what I've seen.

Cleaned up pretty well in BG so far, but I group strictly with guild people for CTF. I've only gone to AV once and spent most of my time ninjaing corpses.

Warsong is cool..but no one...captures the flag..they jsut pvp.

Nothing is more fun than hiding behind this tree with the flag!

or hiding underneath your base with it?



Regardless, I'm about 50/50 against Horde... go cook me up some fried rice Wein and stop lying about not seeing us ever even pick up your flag :(

Yesterday we got captured on once? Today twice by the same group, and no AV! So three times total!

I dont play WoW but... assuming alliance has to wait 4x longer then Horde in Queues wouldnt that mean Horde plays 4x as many Battleground games and has far more practice? :p Maybe alliance suck more but i'm sure more experience has a lot to do with it.

Considering battlegrounds have only been out since this friday, I'd say that's a non-issue Drizzen.
Alliance sucks more because it attracts the carebears that want to play the "good guys".

Most of the alliance pickup groups I've played against just want to farm HKs instead of trying to capture the flag... I was hoping by the 6th day they would have a better strategy than that. :confused: :confused: :confused:

rogue wannabe

My wow rogue would own your eq rogue tyvm:eek:

Actually, I bet you are going with a guild vs 10 stragglers? When the queue system works better ... the competition might heat up. My guild is fairly undefeated in Warsong Gulch simply because we have a ventrillo server and can very easily out-maneuver the opposition. When it gets clearer, there's some guilds we'd love to challenge. Oh, we're alliance.

Is this battleground zone that new ice PVP field zone that's been in development? I had heard about it but of course as close as I've come to the actual game has been watching someone play it.

There are 2. One is a 10 on 10 capture the flag (team fortress) style and the other is a "traditional" WC style ... you have 40 on 40, each has a base and you need to do a variety of things besides just pvp each other. You collect armor scraps to buff your own npcs, you run supply runs between hostile and friendly mines to send out foot soldiers, and you can even gather harnesses and wolves and rams to create "elite" (or in the EQ2 world those 3++ mobs) cavalry and ultimately collect little shards which will spawn an immensely powerful ice elemental or treant to help you. Then you also focus on controlling key areas of the map such as the mines, the graveyards (where you respawn when you die) and so forth.

The latter requires quite a bit of strategy, and because their queue system kinda sucks ass its pretty impossible to get a guild on guild event going in there. I'll admidt, most of my alliance brethern are fairly young players and pretty fucking obnoxious to say the least. This makes up maybe 90% of the alliance and maybe 60% of the horde -- why little kids like playing alliance over horde I'll never know. So when you also have a match the average intelligence is definately in favor of the horde.

My guild has been fairly disappointed in the lack of competition. In pickup groups I got messed up my first day or two, but then started to group with my guildmates and we've managed to clear Alterac in under an hour (though I was away for that event). The pairing just isn't quite up to par so you get 10 or 40 people all sitting on a voice chat server planning and communicating, pre-established lines of communication and orders / plans on what will go on ... vs a cluster fuck. Its not hard to decide who'll win.

I love capturing 2 out of 3 flags while having the highest score. Go frost mages!

Did you catch a radical wave to carry the flag back quickly? :confused:

A most radically tubular set came in and I rode them to safety.

Did you catch a radical wave to carry the flag back quickly? :confused:

With even a little support and stupid opponents mages can do that stuff.

I was just making a joke about Kargon and surfing. I've seen plenty of mages capture in the 117 CTF games I've played so far. :cool:

Who the hell keeps count of that kinda stuff?

If I were to guess, I would say the merit tokens in his bag.

Yeah, but we dupe them all so it's impossible to keep track. =P

I don't get a chance to because I'm either dead or running for my life:eek:

I'd just like to mention...

After being generally dissatisfied with the coordination and "tactics" used in Alliance pickup groups, after the first few days of the BGs opening, I've taken to asserting myself as the leader inside them. Since that point I can happily report, that with the exception of Elegy's A team, I'm undefeated in CTF when I'm leading our team. And most all of those victories are quite decisive 3-0 wins.

On a side note, Elegy really screwed the Horde in two ways:

1. By absolutely dominating the CPs in the first week on your side, just about everyone else on the Horde gave up on trying to compete in the PVP rankings. Consequently, there's a ton less people doing PVP at any one time at the moment.

2. By forcing random Alliance pickup groups to repeatadly have to fight Elegy's A team, our skill and teamwork increased dramatically and rapidly, while the skill of Horde pickup groups has stagnated. I've noticed that instead of the long standoff games that were frequent in the first week when pickup groups faced eachother, the Alliance are now winning games much more quickly, and people are more willing to work in a cohesive team.

And here's some other ramblings...

Horde's racial traits are overpowered and we all know it. Blizzard was assanine for giving out racial skills that have any sort of significant impact on the game. Racial skills should be minor perks that have no real consequence on anything. Influencing someones decision to play one race over another because of a racial skill is flat out stupid.

One particular group of people on Elune might be dominant at CTF, and I don't see them being beat for some time, by AV's top group or anyone else. But overall, Alliance dominates the PVP on the server. We can win against the majority of your players in CTF, and I can't imagine that the Horde will ever get a win in Alterac Valley under the current conditions.

and I can't imagine that the Horde will ever get a win in Alterac Valley under the current conditions.

We had you stone beat last night. But our elemental bugged at the bridge, the archers shot him and since he couldnt reach them, he just stood there.
Despite that, despite all the bugs, despite the bullcrap concentrated dwarf charges over the bridge area, Alliance should have lost.

We had you stone beat last night.

And yet suddenly, when you had the Alliance back at our base, 30 Horde simultaneously dropped from the game. Blah blah bugged god... you think Ivus doesn't get bugged by the archers in your base as well? And speaking of guard trains, it's not like we don't have to deal with the same problems when Hunters on your side exploit the guard spawns inside your general's building and the rest of the base. The fact is that AV in its current incarnation practically requires an hour or two of pounding at the enemies base to take it down. It was pretty lame, considering once our raid ended I had to wait two or so hours to get in :( I was looking foward to a pile of kills as you all tried to get into the base.

I think the point that the Horde elemental bugged out that close to your base, is far more important than it happening to the Alliance after that fact. If you look at it, had the Horde elemental not bugged out, you would have lost. I think that would be the point L2 is trying to make.

Horde's racial traits are overpowered and we all know it. Blizzard was assanine for giving out racial skills that have any sort of significant impact on the game. Racial skills should be minor perks that have no real consequence on anything. Influencing someones decision to play one race over another because of a racial skill is flat out stupid.

They're nerfing WotF to be only 5 seconds next patch. As a Warlock, I would just like to say: Hah! About time.

I admit, it would have been nicer if they could have upped all the racial traits to be as good as tauren and undead... but that would have been a balancing nightmare. If you think the bitching about WotF and War Stomp is bad, imagine 7 more skills just like it.

More and more, I see hero classes as never being implemented. Lately all they do is just nerf something to save time, instead of say, buffing the other racial traits like you mentioned.

But buffing the racial traits would be retarded in the first place... I'm extremely adament in thinking that racial traits should be virtually insignificant. Why should anyones decision on which race to play be affected by anything other then what appeals to you? I'm certainly not playing a Human because of the POS that is Perception.

yea god forbid race have any impact on the game
god forbid there be any diversity



And alliance usually "wins by default" during the day on Blackhand because horde can barely get 5 people in AV. Yea whats that crock of shit? Why does anybody "win" when the game automatically shuts down due to lack of players? Shouldn't it draw, giving nobody any points?

And until late at night, horde usually doesnt have but 25-30 people, while alliance has a constant 40. Oh we all thought the population discrepency would work against the Alliance, instead it works heavily in their favor... almost borderline exploit considering the "default win" bullshit.

AV should really be capped at whatever number of people is on the least populated faction in the instance... Like if horde has 28 people in AV, it should cap alliance at 28 also. It should check once every 5 minuites to see what the cap should be, and automatically boot random people if it needs to. That way a population discrepency couldn't remain for more than 5 minuites at a time. AV is just horrid when horde are constantly outnumbered by 10-20 people the vast majority of the time.

I have a better solution for the offset in population, that helps both sides. Spawn an lvl 60 elite for each member less than a full raid and send it directly on attack.

so if 40 horde and 20 alliance then you sen an army of 20 lvl 60 elites on the horde bosses. Put them at like 10 min respawn and let it go.

Would make the lower numbers much more viable but still be beatable.

I wonder if they'll do a 20v20 Battleground in Azshara, it certainly looks like that mountain in the south-west part of the zone is setup for it.

The alliance on my server (feathermoon) are just hopeless,
My guild group went like 35-0 yesterday and I was there for about 12 of those runs and broke 26k

Here's a great thread about thier "Alliance of Despair"
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-realm-feathermoon&t=78627&p=1&tmp=1#post78627 (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-realm-feathermoon&t=78627&p=1&tmp=1#post78627)

Hope all is well with my old friends,
come on and say hello sometime!

--Namie Amuro (Karana/AyonaeRo...retired)
--Drimloc (Feathermoon/Horde)