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Osgiliath666
10-17-2008, 10:29 PM
Just Fact-Checking

Barack Obama has a new entanglement with unrepentant Weatherman Bill Ayers which I detail below. The gist is this - back in the mid-90's Bill Ayers was instrumental in the creation and early operation of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, an effort committed to the reform of Chicago's public schools. Barack Obama was Chairman of the Board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which suggests he worked closely with Ayers for several years.
Yet in his recent nationally televised appearances and at his website, Obama fails to mention this Ayers entanglement. Why so coy? It's hard to believe he actually forgot his executive role in this important foray into public policy; that said, the Chicago Challenge foundered on the hard rocks of Chicago politics and was widely viewed as ineffective, so perhaps he would prefer not to highlight his failure to bring people together and produce real change.
Or maybe Obama was a do-nothing figurehead who honestly forgot that Bill Ayers was running the show. Awkward spin, that. In any case, there is also a question of shared values. Ayers brings a highly progressive approach to education - dare we ask whether Obama shares his values?
Details and plenty of background links after the break.

With Ayers, two themes are emerging:
(1) It's not the crime, it's the cover-up - why can't Obama manage to deliver a clear answer about his relationship with Ayers? It has long been reported that they both sat on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago (http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/nonprofit/2008/04/the-woods-fund.html). We now also know that Ayers helped found the Chicago Annenberg Challenge Fund, with Obama as the first Chairman of the Board (http://ccsr.uchicago.edu/publications/p0b06.pdf). We also know that Obama, Thomas Ayers (Bill Ayers father) and John Ayers (Bill's brother (http://www.interversity.org/lists/arn-l/archives/Dec2000/msg00035.html)) all served on the Leadership Council of the Chicago Public Schools Education Fund (http://www.cpef.org/pdf/annual_report01.pdf) (described here (http://www.annenberginstitute.org/challenge/sites/chicago.html) as "the successor" to the Chicago Annenberg Challenge project).
That is a lot more of a connection than Obama has admitted in two recent appearances on national television or at his websites "Fact Check (http://factcheck.barackobama.com/factcheck/2008/04/17/fact_check_on_clinton_attacks.php)". At the Philadelphia debate (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/16/us/politics/16text-debate.html?pagewanted=all), Ayers was described as
... a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English in Chicago, who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He's not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.
In Philadelphia, it was left to Hillary to mention the Woods Fund board overlap.
And on Fox News (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/27/transcript-obama-on-fns/), Obama seemed utterly hazy as to what board he was on with Ayers, offering this:
Now, Mr. Ayres [Ayers] is a 60 plus year old individual who lives in my neighborhood, who did something that I deplore 40 years ago when I was six or seven years old. By the time I met him, he was a professor of education at the University of Illinois.
We served on a board together that had Republicans, bankers, lawyers, focused on education, who worked for Mayor Daley. Mayor Daley, the same Mayor Daley probably who when he was a state attorney prosecuted Mr. Ayres’s wife for those activities, I (INAUDIBLE) the point is that to somehow suggest that in any way I endorse his deplorable acts 40 years ago, because I serve on a board with him.
Baffling - neither the Woods Fund of Chicago nor the Chicago Annenberg Challenge Fund could reasonably be described as working for Mayor Daley; the Leadership Council of the Chicago Public Schools Education Fund fits that description, but it was the elder Ayers and the other Ayers who served with Obama on that board. There is a theory that Obama is pretty tight with the Ayers family (http://globallabor.blogspot.com/2008/04/who-sent-obama.html), so maybe that caused his confusion.
Finally, the Obama website (http://factcheck.barackobama.com/factcheck/2008/04/17/fact_check_on_clinton_attacks.php) presents a "Fact Check on Clinton Attacks on Obama and Ayers" which makes no mention of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge Fund. OK, given the fame of Annenberg's FactCheck organization (http://www.factcheck.org/), maybe this was a subconscious cry for recognition. But where is the transparency?
(2) The second emerging theme in this Ayers drama is, what about shared values? OK, so Barack was eight years old when Ayers was blowing things up. But Ayers brings a very, hmm, progressive mindset (http://billayers.wordpress.com/2006/11/07/world-education-forum/) to his educational agenda (http://billayers.wordpress.com/2006/04/20/hearts-and-minds/), or so I glean from the Ayers website (or this panel presentation (http://www.peacejusticestudies.org/conference/2005/program.pdf)). So, does Barack share these views? Seems like a fair question, since Ayers helped found a group Barack promptly chaired.
We have moved a long way past the notion that Ayers was just some guy from Barack's neighborhood who happened to host a fundraiser for him in 1995 and later overlapped with him on a charity board. How much farther this story will move, and how much assistance Barack will provide in moving it, remains to be seen.
C'MON - I enjoy this drollery (http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/27/did-obama-work-for-bill-ayers/) from the hardworking and surely underpaid chaps at Hot Air:
The obvious exit question: How closely did Obama and Ayers work together at the Challenge? It may be that they had little contact, that Ayers’s role ended in setting the thing up and he was sufficiently uninvolved in day to day operations that Obama sincerely forgot he was associated with the program.
Obama is a bit young to be having memory problems; surely he anticipated an Ayers question and gave the topic some thought. And in fact, he did describe an education-related board, not the Woods Fund board.
DIG IN: Background on the Annenberg Challenge (http://www.annenberginstitute.org/challenge/index.html); a final report on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge experience (http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICDocs/data/ericdocs2sql/content_storage_01/0000019b/80/1b/8c/e1.pdf) (271 page .pdf).
THIS WILL BECOME IMPORTANT: Some history (http://www.edexcellence.net/institute/publication/publication.cfm?id=41&pubsubid=634) of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge:
Having secured Annenberg funding for Chicago, the working group would soon evolve into a more formal organization, albeit with strong ties to the groups that wrote the grant proposal. Initially run out of shared space in the offices of the Cross-City Campaign and administered through an existing philanthropic organization called the Donors Forum, the Chicago Challenge soon became its own new foundation with status as an independent fiscal agent. By late 1995, Ken Rolling had been named executive director, a board of directors had been established, and the first round of grants had been awarded. Rolling lacked experience in education but came from the foundation world and was well-versed in community organizing. The board, which was intended to set policy, raise matching funds, and hire an executive director, included prominent educators and business leaders. A second entity, the newly-created Chicago School Reform Collaborative, was also established. Its twenty-plus members were elected from the group of educators and advocates who had helped shape the grant proposal. Initially, at least, this offshoot of the working group functioned as the operations arm of the Chicago Challenge. However, this situation created procedural and ethical concerns and in time the Collaborative was transformed into an advisory body.
Ayers was one of the three original leaders of the working group and eventually co-chaired the Chicago School Reform Collaborative (see his resume (http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:stHWuJzVZvYJ:billayers.files.wordpr ess.com/2007/03/9882vita_2006.doc+%22Chicago+School+Reform+Collabo rative%22+co-chair+ayers&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us)). His early involvement:
When three of Chicago's most prominent education reform leaders met for lunch at a Thai restaurant six years ago to discuss the just-announced $500 million Annenberg Challenge, their main goal was to figure out how to ensure that any Annenberg money awarded to Chicago "didn't go down the drain," said William Ayers, a professor of education at the University of Illinois in Chicago. Ayers, who was at that lunch table in late 1993, helped write the successful Chicago grant application.
The point is that Ayers led the way in securing the Annenberg grant, then co-chaired the Collaborative, which was instrumental in the operation of the Chicago Challenge. It is not likely Barack Obama, as chair of the Board of Directors of the Challenge, was not working closely with the co-chair of the collaborative. At any rate, it is not at all plausible that he could have been unaware of Ayers' role and later forgotten it.
I see trouble in paradise as "Hope and change" morphs to "Hope we can change the subject."

Sanchek
10-17-2008, 10:41 PM
Ayers + Keating = 0

Osgiliath666
10-17-2008, 10:49 PM
You support terrorism that's why.

Rover
10-17-2008, 10:52 PM
This is so relevant too...oh I know...your service of this country Osg.

ainwein
10-17-2008, 10:56 PM
WoW!

Anyone check out patch 3.0 yet? The new talents are fucking awesome. Glyphs are really cool too. I'm pretty stoked to get some new content finally. Also I hear the new BGs are sick. It's about time - so sick of AB, WSG, AV, and EOTS (/gag)!

Osgiliath666
10-17-2008, 10:57 PM
This is so relevant too...oh I know...your service of this country Osg.

Are you sure I am not serving my state and community now? Are you sure mr pansy ass?

ainwein
10-17-2008, 10:58 PM
I STILL crack up at this (http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/77843/detail/) every single time I watch it.

Rover
10-17-2008, 11:02 PM
WoW!

Anyone check out patch 3.0 yet? The new talents are fucking awesome. Glyphs are really cool too. I'm pretty stoked to get some new content finally. Also I hear the new BGs are sick. It's about time - so sick of AB, WSG, AV, and EOTS (/gag)!


I've been playing WOw for about the past month or so, I'm at level 51 Night Elf Hunter. The glyphs are cool..I'm on Fenris US server.

Sanchek
10-17-2008, 11:03 PM
You support terrorism that's why.

The only terrorism going on right now is the terrorism we're perpetrating overseas. I don't support that. Do you?

Rover
10-17-2008, 11:03 PM
Are you sure I am not serving my state and community now? Are you sure mr pansy ass?

Yeah I'm sure, pansy ass? Why do you think that of yourself? I guess I know why...so is it tough being a black and a pansy ass?

ainwein
10-17-2008, 11:04 PM
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t257/evanluerding/a28f9eb2ff48e4b346fa2668bb718a51.jpg


I just restarted in June/July. I just hit 68 tonight. 60-70 got much easier with 3.0. Is your server pvp? If not, you should def transfer to mine and we'll melt faces!

Rover
10-17-2008, 11:05 PM
The only terrorism going on right now is the terrorism we're perpetrating overseas. I don't support that. Do you?

Look San, Osg is one of these blacks that is on welfare and in order to deflect his unwillingness to work he deflects with attacks on other blacks who achieve like Obama.

Jedd Corpse
10-17-2008, 11:08 PM
Fuck Osi... You and your party are the death of America's future...

DiscW
10-17-2008, 11:09 PM
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Osgiliath666
10-17-2008, 11:12 PM
Nice try Rover.. Not really a good effort. Does it hurt being so willfully naive? You poor thing. So blinded by your hatred. I though democrats were the tolerant ones. I hope you can sleep at night pansy ass. Want me to hand you a tissue sissy boy?

ainwein
10-17-2008, 11:18 PM
Hey Osg, what's it like watching your political relevancy evaporate day by day?

What about coming from a battleground state that is going for Obama?

How will you feel about a Democratic president, alongside a filibuster-proof Senate and a super-majority House ramming OMG LIBERAL legislation down your throat?

Fucking deal with it. America is not putting up with your redneck bullshit anymore.

PheloniusRM
10-17-2008, 11:18 PM
/yawn. I Still dont see how it makes Obama a bad guy because he was on a board that was trying to improve public schools.

Cheney sold nuclear materials to Iran during an embargo. Where is your faux outrage? Talk about supporting terrorists....

Jedd Corpse
10-17-2008, 11:19 PM
Nice try Rover.. Not really a good effort. Does it hurt being so willfully naive? You poor thing. So blinded by your hatred. I though democrats were the tolerant ones. I hope you can sleep at night pansy ass. Want me to hand you a tissue sissy boy?

You should be so embarrassed... The whole world is watching as America might finally break the bonds of Racism and truly show that in America we are all equal, and yet you find yourself on the side of homophobes, racists, and idiots.

Palarran
10-17-2008, 11:56 PM
Ha, nice Mega Man pose!

Filatal
10-18-2008, 12:05 AM
Well, Os, I for one won't insult you. I will however show you how stupid your little diatribe is.

The gist is this - back in the mid-90's Bill Ayers was instrumental in the creation and early operation of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, an effort committed to the reform of Chicago's public schools. Barack Obama was Chairman of the Board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which suggests he worked closely with Ayers for several years.
Yet in his recent nationally televised appearances and at his website, Obama fails to mention this Ayers entanglement.

First, Ayers did not "create" the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. The Annenberg Challenge was created by Walter Annenberg, a known liberal who was Nixon's Ambassador the the UK and introduced his good friend Margaret Thatcher to Ronald Reagan, whom he also served. Secondly, I'm not sure if you came up with this on your own or it is a ongoing chain letter that just happens to be out of date, but it is not correct in stating Obama "fails to mention" the Annenberg Challenge in his recent nationally televised appearance. He was quite clear that they served on that board together and called it by name during the debate.

You do realize that lots of people serve on boards together and it doesn't mean they are friends. Just means they have met. Lots of people in Chicago have met Bill Ayers, he's a professor at the University of Illinois. He's probably served on lots of boards. Hillary Clinton was on Wal-Mart's board for awhile, I doubt Lee Scott or David Glass consider her a friend.

Rover
10-18-2008, 12:13 AM
You should be so embarrassed... The whole world is watching as America might finally break the bonds of Racism and truly show that in America we are all equal, and yet you find yourself on the side of homophobes, racists, and idiots.


So true, and I can't for the life of me figure out why a guy like Osg who is bi-racial, mexican mother-black father, is so not into it.

Kanyli
10-18-2008, 11:51 AM
Didn't Obama talk about this recently, at a debate or in a speech? I've heard the story before from him, which means the whole premise of the cover up is false.

Rover
10-18-2008, 12:59 PM
Didn't Obama talk about this recently, at a debate or in a speech? I've heard the story before from him, which means the whole premise of the cover up is false.


It's completely false, but when did speaking about things that are false stop the modern republican party?

What I wonder is this; We see the real conservatives abandoning the party, they are no longer swayed by the arguments that the party base loves.

My question is, are these conservatives the Noonan's, Buckley's, Will's, Smerconish's etc... are they feeling like they were duped? Do they feel like they were suckered by the rhetoric which proved to only be just that?

Malse
10-18-2008, 01:09 PM
Not so much duped as disgusted. We knew it for what it was, but now the inmates are running the asylum.

Osgiliath666
10-22-2008, 04:32 PM
OH MY GOD!!!! OH MY GOD!!!!!


WASHINGTON (AP) - The presidential race tightened after the final debate, with John McCain gaining among whites and people earning less than $50,000, according to an Associated Press-GfK poll that shows McCain and Barack Obama essentially running even among likely voters in the election homestretch.

The poll, which found Obama at 44 percent and McCain at 43 percent, supports what some Republicans and Democrats privately have said in recent days: that the race narrowed after the third debate as GOP-leaning voters drifted home to their party and McCain's "Joe the plumber" analogy struck a chord.

Three weeks ago, an AP-GfK survey found that Obama had surged to a seven-point lead over McCain, lifted by voters who thought the Democrat was better suited to lead the nation through its sudden economic crisis.

The contest is still volatile, and the split among voters is apparent less than two weeks before Election Day.

"I trust McCain more, and I do feel that he has more experience in government than Obama. I don't think Obama has been around long enough," said Angela Decker, 44, of La Porte, Ind.

But Karen Judd, 58, of Middleton, Wis., said, "Obama certainly has sufficient qualifications." She said any positive feelings about McCain evaporated with "the outright lying" in TV ads and his choice of running mate Sarah Palin, who "doesn't have the correct skills."

The new AP-GfK head-to-head result is a departure from some, but not all, recent national polls.

Obama and McCain were essentially tied among likely voters in the latest George Washington University Battleground Poll, conducted by Republican strategist Ed Goeas and Democratic pollster Celinda Lake. In other surveys focusing on likely voters, a Washington Post-ABC News poll showed Obama up by 9 percentage points, while a poll by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center had Obama leading by 14. A Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll, among the broader category of people registered to vote, found Obama ahead by 10 points.

Polls are snapshots of highly fluid campaigns. In this case, there is a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points; that means Obama could be ahead by as many as 8 points or down by as many as 6. There are many reasons why polls differ, including methods of estimating likely voters and the wording of questions.

Charles Franklin, a University of Wisconsin political science professor and polling authority, said variation between polls occurs, in part, because pollsters interview random samples of people.

"If they all agree, somebody would be doing something terribly wrong," he said of polls. But he also said that surveys generally fall within a few points of each other, adding, "When you get much beyond that, there's something to explain."

The AP-GfK survey included interviews with a large sample of adults including 800 deemed likely to vote. Among all 1,101 adults interviewed, the survey showed Obama ahead 47 percent to 37 percent. He was up by five points among registered voters.

A significant number of the interviews were conducted by dialing a randomly selected sample of cell phone numbers, and thus this poll had a chance to reach voters who were excluded from some other polls.

It was taken over five days from Thursday through Monday, starting the night after the candidates' final debate and ending the day after former Secretary of State Colin Powell broke with the Republican Party to endorse Obama.

McCain's strong showing is partly attributable to his strong debate performance; Thursday was his best night of the survey. Obama's best night was Sunday, hours after the Powell announcement, and the full impact of that endorsement may not have been captured in any surveys yet. Future polling could show whether either of those was merely a support "bounce" or something more lasting.

During their final debate, a feisty McCain repeatedly forced Obama to defend his record, comments and associations. He also used the story of a voter whom the Democrat had met in Ohio, "Joe the plumber," to argue that Obama's tax plan would be bad for working class voters.

"I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody," Obama told the man with the last name of Wurzelbacher, who had asked Obama whether his plan to increase taxes on those earning more than $250,000 a year would impede his ability to buy the plumbing company where he works.

On Wednesday, McCain's campaign unveiled a new TV ad that features that Obama quote, and shows different people saying: "I'm Joe the plumber." A man asks: "Obama wants my sweat to pay for his trillion dollars in new spending?"

Since McCain has seized on that line of argument, he has picked up support among white married people and non-college educated whites, the poll shows, while widening his advantage among white men. Black voters still overwhelmingly support Obama.

The Republican also has improved his rating for handling the economy and the financial crisis. Nearly half of likely voters think their taxes will rise under an Obama administration compared with a third who say McCain would raise their taxes.

Since the last AP-GfK survey in late September, McCain also has:

_Posted big gains among likely voters earning under $50,000 a year; he now trails Obama by just 4 percentage points compared with 26 earlier.

_Surged among rural voters; he has an 18-point advantage, up from 4.

_Doubled his advantage among whites who haven't finished college and now leads by 20 points. McCain and Obama are running about even among white college graduates, no change from earlier.

_Made modest gains among whites of both genders, now leading by 22 points among white men and by 7 among white women.

_Improved slightly among whites who are married, now with a 24-point lead.

_Narrowed a gap among unmarried whites, though he still trails by 8 points.

McCain has cut into Obama's advantage on the questions of whom voters trust to handle the economy and the financial crisis. On both, the Democrat now leads by just 6 points, compared with 15 in the previous survey.

Obama still has a larger advantage on other economic measures, with 44 percent saying they think the economy will have improved a year from now if he is elected compared with 34 percent for McCain.

Intensity has increased among McCain's supporters.

A month ago, Obama had more strong supporters than McCain did. Now, the number of excited supporters is about even.

Eight of 10 Democrats are supporting Obama, while nine in 10 Republicans are backing McCain. Independents are about evenly split.

Some 24 percent of likely voters were deemed still persuadable, meaning they were either undecided or said they might switch candidates. Those up-for-grabs voters came about equally from the three categories: undecideds, McCain supporters and Obama backers.

Said John Ormesher, 67, of Dandridge, Tenn.: "I've got respect for them but that's the extent of it. I don't have a whole lot of affinity toward either one of them. They're both part of the same political mess."

___

AP Director of Surveys Trevor Tompson, AP News Survey Specialist Dennis Junius and AP writer Alan Fram contributed to this report.

Rover
10-22-2008, 04:53 PM
Does anyone have any good recipes for Marinara sauce?

Nydia Ywalmoriel
10-22-2008, 05:16 PM
I'm afraid I learned to make it southern style, with tomato sauce, tomato paste, and *brown sugar* (go mom!) with a boatload of browned ground beef thrown into it (oregano basil and a bay leaf) ;). These days I rarely make marinara sauce from scratch, but use chopped tomatoes, tomato sauce/paste, *lots* of garlic, mushrooms (add these late), zucchini, and lightly sauteed onions added (salt pepper herbalize to taste). If I'm going to put meat in my sauce (which I rarely do these days) I prefer a small amount of Italian sausage or meatballs.

Darn it, this diet is wearing on me, you're making me hungry... ;)

Regards,
Nydia

Kelraz Bladesinger
10-22-2008, 05:40 PM
Who has time to cook it, when there are plenty of good ones already in jars. Spend that time making home made lasagna or pasta instead!

Jedd Corpse
10-22-2008, 05:56 PM
Personally I enjoy a good kabob and rice dish :)

Bylimet Spiritwalker
10-22-2008, 07:02 PM
I'm afraid I learned to make it southern style, with tomato sauce, tomato paste, and *brown sugar* (go mom!) with a boatload of browned ground beef thrown into it (oregano basil and a bay leaf) ;). These days I rarely make marinara sauce from scratch, but use chopped tomatoes, tomato sauce/paste, *lots* of garlic, mushrooms (add these late), zucchini, and lightly sauteed onions added (salt pepper herbalize to taste). If I'm going to put meat in my sauce (which I rarely do these days) I prefer a small amount of Italian sausage or meatballs.

Darn it, this diet is wearing on me, you're making me hungry... ;)

Regards,
Nydia


I love you! :o

Rover
10-22-2008, 08:30 PM
Who has time to cook it, when there are plenty of good ones already in jars. Spend that time making home made lasagna or pasta instead!


But usually you can throw one together pretty quickly and the sodium in a jar sauce bothers me, other than that I agree there are some tasty jar marinara sauces.

I have a pretty good recipe for eggplant parm from one of the sopranos guys, maybe i'll try that sauce.

Kanyli
10-22-2008, 09:01 PM
I have to agree - there are sooo many other things I can spend time cooking, while the sauce just warms up. Like dessert.

Mmmm, chocolate cake volcanoes with vanilla icecream, and hot fudge over them. The perfect conclusion to any meal.

Cloudwalker21
10-23-2008, 01:05 AM
what I wouldn't give for the recipe to make Pizza Hut's marinara that comes with their breadsticks. Unless they use a jarred confection as well. Either way, mmmm..