I just started a lock, and just wanted a few pointers on them

Demonology spec tends to be the best for leveling because your pets generally will be better than you. This one gets weaker as you hit the level 70 mark and your gear gets better but your level doesn't change.

However, make sure you don't overlook Improved Corruption (instant-cast corruption)!

I'm not on a PvP server, but I do plan on doing alot of battlegrounds WSG..AB and such and mainly looking for a good build for that, but at the same timesomething that I can solo0 / farm with

Same deal. Your mortal striking pet will do far more damage than you will :)

just a thought that popped in my head just now.. will a lock that does engineering be good.?/ I was thinking about getting that trade high and getting the gnomish mind control cap.. use fear / dot combo on one mob.. pet tank another.. and MC a third.. I'm not too sure how well thier pets.. errr minion tanks and such.. or how well the gnomish MC cap works, but that would kick azz if it could work out how I picture it in my head >:)

Can't MC while you have a pet up I believe. I always burned the MC helmet THEN called my hunter pet out.

Yeah you cannot have a pet up and mc or enslave a mob. Also VW is a decent tank leveling up but once you get some dmg gear he is useless. When I farm on my lock I go Imp pet as its endless mana for me since im affliction speced. Affliction is a nice farm spec and raid spec. It is also still a viable pvp spec and gives you lots of mobility. You need to find the spec that suits your playstyle tho. Destro is a really fun spec but after being affliction so long its hard to adjust to not having dark pact. Demo is meh, ok to lvl with but really not a fan of it past 60.

Demonology's spec is strong for leveling, but in PVP banish will put a damper on a soul linked voidwalker (the one that I used while I still played, saccing it for a massive rune was good and its melee damage reduction with soul link was really handy), you'll lose the ability to sac it, your soul link and your master demonologist bonus. When you're a demonology lock in PvP, a lot of your power is your ability to survive.

However, I've also seen some nasty use of the succubus with seduce and being able to stay invisible so they don't know what your spec is until they're sitting charmed and helpless. It still has more survivability than a spec without demonology (soul link), and has a little utility with succubus.

There is PvP potential for demonology with a little work. I made a good guardian, but my offensive capability was a bit drab in comparison. Course, thats prior to 70, so I have no idea how that'd work these days.

succubus is killer in arena. I tend to like felhunter for normal bgs tho.

I just started a lock, and just wanted a few pointers on them

Arenas are level 70. He's just started, lets not confuse him. Demonology generally will have more horsepower because your spells aren't as powerful as your pets, and the other folks won't have decent gear to mitigate the mortal strikes of the fel reaver. When you hit 70 and start pooling gear you distance yourself from the pet more and more and the other talent builds are better.

It was a simple statement responding to the previous resopnse about succubus. Don't get your panties in a bunch. Affliction is also a very powerful lvl build and fun. Demo spec is boring as you rely on your pet alot for dmg.

You can level using all three of the trees.

Demonology locks rely on their minion to tank for them. It's a convenient spec who can easily be autopiloted while half asleep.
Demonology locks are the only successful PvP locks at the high end, this primarilly due to Soul Link and other survival talents. Their damage output is however fairly low.

Affliction locks use a DPS pet and "drain tank" the mob to death while DoTs are ticking.
Affliction locks are the kings of boss encounters and in most AoE situations. They lose out in any situation which revolves around burst damage. They get DoTs which you won't dare dispel.

Destruction locks use the fear-and-nuke concept. Since fears break more easilly now it's not as powerful as it used to be, and without Curse of Exhaustion it can mean some incoming damage for the lock.
Destrolocks are the kings of burst damage. They're the warlocks who simply kill you during the 3-sec duration of Death Coil. They lack in survivability but gain fun stuff like an AoE damage/stun.

I'm not a lock myself but can speak from Leah's experience with hers. She has respeced several times yet keeps going back to Demonology as she likes her Felguard and having her pet tank.

I think the most important advise is to spec however you play but Kivorn gives an excellent overview of what each spec means and can do. I can tell you that with her demon spec'ed and me BM spec'ed on my hunter we haven't found much yet that we can't duo together including some instances.

I've played both Affliction and Demonology on my warlock alt (who is, admittedly, only level 50), and find I have a slight preference for Demonology mainly for the flexibility it gives in groups (having a truly tanking pet and fewer agro yanking worries than when I was Affliction). For a small guild where flexibility in group configuration is a must, I like Demonology (which our guild lock main is). For raid situations, as Kivorn said, Affliction wins out, as the occasions when you're going to need to have the pet tank are much rarer anyway, although one has to be careful with agro management especially on taunt-immune or other agro-shedding mobs due to all that dot-ticking :).

Regards,
Nydia

I tend to agree that for raid situations a demo specced lock won't be nearly as good UNLESS you have top end gear, but it's not really that bad to play. I've tried my lock on various talent trees and demo is the most fun for my playstyle. (I'm not in a guild and tend to solo and/or 5-man stuff)
Kivorn's post is spot on, but in the right hands, a demo lock can do amazing things. Some decent hybrid builds out there tho.

I've probably spent over 1k gold on respecs since bc came out. :( I've tried everything. I've even respecced twice from the spec that's currently on my armory.

For leveling up, affliction is easily the best at the start. Demon is a waste for leveling until you can get 31+ points into it, and destruction is massively inefficient. I would have LOVED to have had improved drain soul for leveling up, it's awsome for it. The idea of leveling up without instant corruption and improved drain soul now hurts my head. Get those talents for sure.

I'm tired and just got back into posting here, so I'll return later with lots more stuffs.

http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/c...Lothar&n=Wliten
Spellsurge on a pvp weapon? wtf!

I'll profess not much knowledge on locks( 18 is farthest i've got mine) but that is an odd talent build Discw. whats the logic with that?


Oh and if ya want a good laugh
http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Bonechewer&n=Tarddog

Nice to see you posting again Discw.

In the arena, unless you run with a gib team(all out dps) battles tend to turn into mana wars sometimes. The spellsurge helps out with that. It's for my priest far more then me. (and our paladin+shaman as well in 5vs5) A warlock's biggest role in arena is disruption, dps comes 2nd, so losing the 40 dmg enchant isn't a big deal for what we gain with spellsurge. Plus the plan was to do 2vs2 with my brother on his priest. But after the gayest week ever that was stalled. Getting back into it now.

The build I was, was something I just tried out after seeing it. The purpose is for good dps along with the MASSIVE survivability that comes with demonolgy/affliction. But i couldn't stand not having fel concentration maxed out so I went to the more cookie-cutter ish 26/35/0 (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=Iq0rVRfkoZbxczIizzxs) and I <3 it. In arena, we WANT teams to focus me because I'm the hardest to kill and am not screwed like the rogue I run with if I'm constantly stunned/snared. (rogues have major flaws that can be exploited)

24/34/0+3 is a very popular build as you can see here:

http://www.geekboys.org/arena/index/3/all/warlock/all/all/

Halo your sig confuses me in an uncomfortable manner.