I noticed that a bunch of you are on Elune, a normal server. So why did you choose PvE and not PvP? I just bought the game, so I don't know the reasons for or against playing PvP (although my real-life friends are playing on a PvP server).

And the server community for Frostmane sucks. I can't find any information about the guilds there other than a few sites spread across the Net. Nothing. Although the game takes out everything that I hated about EQ (timesinks number 1) ...

Because since battlegrounds there isn't wild PvP anymore.

So if you don't feel like getting gang banged from level 25 to 50 by frustrated level 60... That's for many a good reason. ;)

Because since battlegrounds there isn't wild PvP anymore.

So if you don't feel like getting gang banged from level 25 to 50 by frustrated level 60... That's for many a good reason. ;)

While true to a certain extent, the PvP environment is totally different from a normal server. Once you're over level 20, you'll be hunting in contested zones, and the fact that you can be PK'd at any time creates a certain tension that isn't present on PvE servers. As a result, you're forced to develop your character and act a little differently for optimum chances of survival.

I would tend to disagree with Anterak, I think him playing on a PvE server they've never truly experienced the scale of pvp thats present on my server.

At first, leveling up from 1 to 60 was quite trying. You'd spend hours watching people camp your corpse, and hours more rallying your friends and allies to hit the enemies' farming lands to do the same to them :)

There's a level of risk with a PvP server that simply doesn't exist on PvE, and makes the gaming environments quite different. I have a 60 on both Elune (zug zug) and Burning Blade (by mother moon!) and must say honestly I enjoyed leveling up on the PvP server more. Its too easy to level up on a PvE server when you are never watching your back and simply pull, kill, pull, kill, eat, drink, repeat ...

You will have noticed when the game first released there was a younger audience on PvP servers, the biggest downside. However, they seem to have filtered out quite a bit possibly since there's new games on the market.

Aside from all that, there's not much difference. I'm in the top (well, tied with a horde guild I suppose) pve guild on my PvP server, we do BWL and Molten Core and Zul'gurub and all the end-game content as well as PvP. I imagine on PvE servers you won't see as many non-battleground skirmishes as you do on a PvP server, I still spend a lot of time riding the plaguelands picking off people and Azuregos / Kazzak are simply pvp clusterfucks with 100s of horde vs 100s of alliance -- on a pve server the other guilds just get to watch their opponents in the distance, and thats kinda silly in my book.

The main reason most people started on Elune, is Vhex and I orchestrated a "pre-made" guild. Not a lot of people had interest in PvP at the time, and that probably stemmed from the fact that battlegrounds and the honor system were NYI.

Honestly though Kelraz, playing on a server where the A:H ratio is in the Alliance favor, it still seems like ezmode (TM) to me. It's not like you'll encounter that many Horde while leveling, as opposed to playing horde and encountering Alliance.

You'll notice that many uber-guilds went PVE also, btw.

Yeah, the guild I was in up to my retirement (Leviathan, formerly of Stormhammer and Morden Rasp, now on Povar, EQ1) has many of its ex-members in Science of War on a PvE server (Azjol Nerub). I can understand the reasons for not playing PvP, but now that the game has matured somewhat, I don't see how PvP gameplay can be a horribly debilitating, and in fact probably a lot of fun.

It's probably because like you said, above. I'll probably play a character up to 40 on both Elune and Frostmane and decide which one I like better.

I'd really recommend playing where you have 3-10 friends or so. The game is really fun 1-60, but when you hit 60 there's not a whole lot to do as a solo player. Battlegrounds are sorta blah, and PUG's are... scary.

I started playing on a pvp server because a friend of mine played there and decided to stay because PVP added another dynamic to keep me interested. I was on the edge of my seat the first couple times I entered contested territory, and it's still a little exciting to wander through certain areas, knowing you could be attacked at any time.

Yeah, it's annoying to be ganked and camped (especially when the alliance has a considerable numbers advantage), I've logged off more than once out of frustration, but I can't see spending much time on a pve server after leveling to 60 on pvp. It feels like a different game when I hop on an alt and wander through ashenvale questing without some dwarf paladin chasing me around, even with a lot of pvp taking place in BG these days.

Plus nothing beats bumping into another raid force or two when you think you've got kazzak all to yourself.

That may be true Fazin. My server is 60% horde 40% alliance ... great ratio for pvp since the alliance (generally) are more skilled at pvp than the horde we encounter.

What sucks is every BG my guild or a few of the other top Alliance guilds enter, the horde just /afks out on us.

What noxious behavior are they boycotting you guys for, Kelraz? ;). The Horde on Alleria are currently boycotting one of the major Alliance guilds for continuing to use the known bug with pally shield and the resource nodes in Arathi Basin (along with a lot of other bad behavior) atm. They don't /afk out on anyone else, just this particular guild, because it has a long history of egregious behavior followed by reams of posts by their officers in the forums 'explaining' what we 'think' we saw followed by stonewalling...

Then again, we're outnumbered 4:1 on Alleria, and don't have to take any crap off you guys, as it were, with regards to being able to get an instance :).

Regards,
Nydia

I don't pvp much, but long story short is we always win. While we are primarily a raiding guild we have 15 "pvp only" members who are in Arathi/Alterac all the time. I hear the /afking out isn't nearly as bad in Arathi but in Alterac we'd win matches in under 15 minutes because all the horde would leave hoping to get into a match against the PUG alliance on our server, which reliably always lost.

I got my rank 11 and got out, the grind is too tedius.

Playing on PvP makes you evil in RL :) You get used to self-invented excuses to cause harm to other people ("UD Rogue? A preemptive revenge!","Pallies should be exterminated","Someone in his guild killed my buddy!") - and sooner or later your main goal will be to cause harm.

On PvE, your main goal is to reach instances hard to reach, to learn boss mobs and to kill Onyxia/Ragnaros - which, I agree, several months after you reach 60 becomes fast boring.

Lani

p.s. I dont really like Sony, but one thing that is good in eq2 is the continous update on contents... 3rd expansion pack since release.

If you enjoy pvp, at all, you should play on a pvp server.

I originally picked a pve server because even though I enjoyed pvp, I believed what we were told. That even on pve servers you'd be able to pvp in the battlegrounds just as much! So hey, sounds good, I can avoid the ganking and still have fun once I make 60. But as was true about many things that we were told in beta(there's going to be a huge amount of high end content at release, we're just keeping it secret!), that was 100% false.

As an alliance on my server(lothar), you get to wait between 20 min to an hour for av, wsg is abandoned, and Av is run once a week if you're lucky. You hope that you aren't going to get put up against one of two guilds, since if you do you might as well afk and reque. Yes, there are 2 pvp horde guilds since you can actually do that on the smaller side. They pretty much run over pugs all day every day farming easy honor since the only alliance pvp guilds realized it was a waste of time and moved to a pvp server long ago. They're the kinds of people whom enjoy winning with little challenge or competiton that you find in b.net games.

But I'm getting off my point there, at least on pvp server's theres interest in BG's(which was to be expected really, now that I look back) and still some pvp outside of them.

Although its not as bad as some people say, there's certainly a lack of things to do at 60. Since there's no PST guilds on my server,and I work till 11, the only zone I can go to that is any challenge/interest at all is ZG, if I get really lucky. I got bored with most pve stuff awhile ago, and wish I had played on a pvp server myself.

When they open character transfers, I don't see why they wouldn't allow ones between pve--> pvp servers, and hope they do. The only good reason that was done in EQ was gear advantage between the servers, which does not exist in WoW.