http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/02/nations-spies-w.html

I really hope i am reading this wrong....but htey are going to monitor online games?

Oh yea, there was a big thread about it on the WOW forums...

Time to play only the Opfor side in COD4 and always refer to the Horde as Al queda and see how long before the FBI comes a knockin...

I knew those spooks at Gnomeland Security were up to no good.

/snicker

UHOH, guess my terrorist leaning Undead rogue will soon regret the hour spent stalking(ok 5 time ganking) that utmost patriotic NE druid .(/Evade and runs off to contribute the McCain campaign?)

/eyeroll the man is out to get us....

Build a bridge, find a river and omg get over it ;P

Oh come on Fanny, Akipt might beable to, but even you cannot deny how retarded this is. I know you're not that narrow minded :P

Unfortunately, there are those who believe that they know better than us what is good for us, and that they should be able to insert themselves into everybody's daily lives to ensure that we are always doing what is "right", and are not being exposed to any "dangerous" influences.

The fucked up part to this is that these people consider themselves to be righteous, and patriotic.

/boggle

Oh come on Fanny, Akipt might beable to, but even you cannot deny how retarded this is. I know you're not that narrow minded :PDamned funny. A Brit scoffing at our domestic spying.

Sounds like some guy at homeland security, who is horribly addicted to WoW, convincing his dee-dee-dee boss to let him play WoW as his job. ;)

Oh and for the record, I'm well aware of and disapprove of some of the Patriot Act's overreaching (drug war, mafia, etc.) Those things should taken out and made seperately. Heh, who knew it's patriotic to wiretap the mafia.

Sounds like some guy at homeland security, who is horribly addicted to WoW, convincing his dee-dee-dee boss to let him play WoW as his job. ;)

That's probably the closest to the truth I've seen so far....

'Damned funny. A Brit scoffing at our domestic spying.'

- Touche. But we bug politicians, you know, the guys who usually are up to no good.

I'm with ailwon on this

Sad they do not feel they have better things to do with our tax dollars.

Well...it is good if you have cousin that is a boss in the government that can dough out the tax dollar money and you want to play WoW all day...good reason to give to siphone the money to him? /shrug

Us tax payers are so passive about where our money is spent. bleh

Us tax payers are so passive about where our money is spent. bleh

With the Bush measures put in place to declare martial law and have troops with live ammo running the streets, passivity is going to be the rule of the day. Who wants to protest and be shot by his own military?

How about this brave soul?

Yeah, cause we know G.W. is as bad as the Communist leaders in China......

Qft!!

Sixee's overwhelming ignorance strikes again. China didn't become the way it was overnight. The virtues of Communism were pretty great at its creation. Living in Prague I learned from a Holocaust survivor who personally voted for Communism over Democracy for the Czech Republic, years later to have his mother publicly shot on her way to the market for speaking out.

It begain with the slow erosion of civil liberties and people not speaking out from Hong Kong to St Petersburg to Prague, exactly what has been happening with our Patriot Act.

The US is a lot closer to fascism than communism though!

Just think, they're probably reading all of our messages, due to FISA and Jedd!

Just think, they're probably reading all of our messages, due to FISA and Jedd!


Ahhhhhh....that explains that guy in the van who takes pictures of me every morning. I guess I should shower with my curtains closed.

Ahhhhhh....that explains that guy in the van who takes pictures of me every morning. I guess I should shower with my curtains closed.

wait wait dont do that, or i wont have anything to do in my van!

Sixee's overwhelming ignorance strikes again. China didn't become the way it was overnight. The virtues of Communism were pretty great at its creation. Living in Prague I learned from a Holocaust survivor who personally voted for Communism over Democracy for the Czech Republic, years later to have his mother publicly shot on her way to the market for speaking out.

It begain with the slow erosion of civil liberties and people not speaking out from Hong Kong to St Petersburg to Prague, exactly what has been happening with our Patriot Act.

http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/MODCHINA/REV2.HTM

Looks like it took about four years for it to all go down in China. And it also looks like in China and the Czech Republic, it's what the people wanted at the time. It's what they fought and voted for, at least. Reap what you sow?

Any form of government that is not ultimately responsible to the people, will erode civil liberties.

So what you are saying, is that even as a dictator, Bush is an abysmal failure? He's had 8 years to consolidate his power, and has failed to do so. In about a year, he'll be out of office. All signs point towards Obama being the next President.

The US is a lot closer to fascism than communism though!

Talk about retardation at its finest. Might as well say Sweden is a lot closer to a hippie commune, than it is a country. At least it would be more accurate.

Just think, they're probably reading all of our messages, due to FISA and Jedd!
It's more likely they're doing it because of me.

sixee, you retard. please note that i never called US a fascist state, i said you were closer to fascism than communism, and i dont know how anyone could argue otherwise.

however..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism

"In a 1995 essay "Eternal Fascism" [18], the Italian writer and academic Umberto Eco attempts to list general properties of fascist ideology. He claims that it is not possible to organise these into a coherent system, but that "it is enough that one of them be present to allow fascism to coagulate around it". He uses the term "Ur-fascism" as a generic description of different historical forms of fascism.

The features of fascism he lists are as follows:

* "The Cult of Tradition", combining cultural syncretism with a rejection of modernism (often disguised as a rejection of capitalism).
* "The Cult of Action for Action's Sake", which dictates that action is of value in itself, and should be taken without intellectual reflection. This, says Eco, is connected with anti-intellectualism and irrationalism, and often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science. check
* "Disagreement is Treason" - fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action. check
* "Fear of Difference", which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants. check
* "Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class", fearing economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups.
* "Obsession With a plot" and the hyping-up of an enemy threat. This often involves an appeal to xenophobia or the identification of an internal security threat. He cites Pat Robertson's book The New World Order as a prominent example of a plot obsession. check
* "Pacifism is Trafficking With the Enemy" because "Life is Permanent Warfare" - there must always be an enemy to fight. check
* "Contempt for the Weak" - although a fascist society is elitist, everybody in the society is educated to become a hero.
* "Selective Populism" - the People have a common will, which is not delegated but interpreted by a leader. This may involve doubt being cast upon a democratic institution, because "it no longer represents the Voice of the People". check
* "Newspeak" - fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning. check"

teehee.

It's more likely they're doing it because of me.
Well, that would be a whole different group of big brothers. I think I like the ones you bring more than the ones Jedd brings.

Just take the test, Wiggo. I'm sure most of your countrymen all ready have....

http://elitemrp.net/hippytest.shtml

And I never said you said the United States was facist. All I said was the compairsion of Sweden and a Hippie Commune was more relivant.

Go listen to Jefferson Airplane, and take a big hit off your bong, it'll be ok.

today might be a good day to go back on your medication, buddy, youre all over the place, drooling everywhere, its just sad =(

Just take the test, Wiggo. I'm sure most of your countrymen all ready have....

http://elitemrp.net/hippytest.shtml

And I never said you said the United States was facist. All I said was the compairsion of Sweden and a Hippie Commune was more relivant.

Go listen to Jefferson Airplane, and take a big hit off your bong, it'll be ok.

Funny, being a pothead and I scored a 1 on your hippy test. Though I hate hippy music, patchouli, etc., lol.

Somehow I am a "member of the establishment."

http://elitemrp.net/img/hippie/estab.jpg
[size=10]Score: -5
I am the establishment,
Get off my lawn you damn hippies!

Just take the test, Wiggo. I'm sure most of your countrymen all ready have....

http://elitemrp.net/hippytest.shtml

And I never said you said the United States was facist. All I said was the compairsion of Sweden and a Hippie Commune was more relivant.

Go listen to Jefferson Airplane, and take a big hit off your bong, it'll be ok.

Pretty weak answer to the points he made...

Jedd, they are only points if you entertain that his arguments are somehow based in reality.

His views are so skewed, he probably believes that armed soldiers are on every street corner, waiting to shoot citizens for protesting.

The "checks" he placed after each "point" are laughable, at best.

feel free to, you know, challenge my points.

The features of fascism he lists are as follows:

* "The Cult of Tradition", combining cultural syncretism with a rejection of modernism (often disguised as a rejection of capitalism).
Couldn't use that one, eh?

* "The Cult of Action for Action's Sake", which dictates that action is of value in itself, and should be taken without intellectual reflection. This, says Eco, is connected with anti-intellectualism and irrationalism, and often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science. check Not thinking before acting isn't unique to the United States. Might as well claim Sweden was part of a facist regime when it decided to become Germany's lapdog in WWII.

* "Disagreement is Treason" - fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action. check People get locked up here in the U.S for disagreeing all the time. :rolleyes:

* "Fear of Difference", which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants. check We are all white people over here? No Hispanics, Asians, or Africans here.:rolleyes:

* "Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class", fearing economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups. Whoops, had to skip another one?

* "Obsession With a plot" and the hyping-up of an enemy threat. This often involves an appeal to xenophobia or the identification of an internal security threat. He cites Pat Robertson's book The New World Order as a prominent example of a plot obsession. check Hyping-up? You honestly don't think Radical Islamists are a real threat? Remember Theo Van Gogh ?

* "Pacifism is Trafficking With the Enemy" because "Life is Permanent Warfare" - there must always be an enemy to fight. check This is just a fact of reality. Those who fight, survive. Those who do not, don't.

* "Contempt for the Weak" - although a fascist society is elitist, everybody in the society is educated to become a hero. Hmm, I wonder why you don't have a "check" here, considering how much you seem to dislike the U.S.

* "Selective Populism" - the People have a common will, which is not delegated but interpreted by a leader. This may involve doubt being cast upon a democratic institution, because "it no longer represents the Voice of the People". check Where did this take place?

* "Newspeak" - fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning. check" Err, Ok Orson. Big Brother doesn't really exist, and I have yet to see any "Newspeak" that is sweeping the nation by storm. Better luck next time.

I have refuted your points, now refute mine: that Sweden is just a big hippy commune.....

Jedd, they are only points if you entertain that his arguments are somehow based in reality.

His views are so skewed, he probably believes that armed soldiers are on every street corner, waiting to shoot citizens for protesting.

The "checks" he placed after each "point" are laughable, at best.

I found the checks to be quite appropriate actually. Do you just not wish to discuss the points that were made?

Also, why does he get so much bashing for being European. Is this the kind of treatment non Americans should get in your eyes if they disagree with you? Are you the "Master Race"?

Try actually answering him instead of ridiculing him, you might learn something in the process.

Not thinking before acting isn't unique to the United States. Might as well claim Sweden was part of a facist regime when it decided to become Germany's lapdog in WWII.

We are discussing America, Not Sweden.

People get locked up here in the U.S for disagreeing all the time. :rolleyes:

The treatment of the congress and the senate by Bush is a clear proving point of this point he made. Why is disagreeing with funding for the war or wanting to set a time table, "letting our soldiers die" In essence Bush accuses them of treason constantly for not giving him what he wants.

I may not be thrown in Prison for it, but it is considered treasonous to our president when there is a barrier placed in the path of the action he wishes to take.

We are all white people over here? No Hispanics, Asians, or Africans here.:rolleyes:
There is a vast amount of hatred and racism towards Muslims, and Arabs in general in the United States. There is an exception to every rule, and everyone is not the same. However it is apparent in our media, and the highest levels of our government as well...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=484762&in_page_id=1770&ito=newsnow


Hyping-up? You honestly don't think Radical Islamists are a real threat? Remember Theo Van Gogh ?

Hyping up the Iraq War, WMD's that didn't exist... Al queda that didn't operate of Iraq until AFTER we invaded. Hyping up the Iran Nuclear case now, Hyping up the threat of Extremist Muslims on our homeland... Fact is there is a higher chance of me dieing in a lightning strike in Los Angeles, then being killed by a terrorist right now.


This is just a fact of reality. Those who fight, survive. Those who do not, don't.

And throughout history, those that have fought have still not survived... Great Empires who fought have fallen. Not an excuse.

Hmm, I wonder why you don't have a "check" here, considering how much you seem to dislike the U.S.

Once again, attacking the person and not his points... Anger and Insults... look at my sig.

Where did this take place?

The President of the United States of America no longer represents the majority of the United States. According to recent polls, it is less then 35%. I think that is where this takes place.


Things change slowly... If we continue down this path, we will soon be what we claim we hate.

Couldn't use that one, eh?

too lazy to google =(

Not thinking before acting isn't unique to the United States. Might as well claim Sweden was part of a facist regime when it decided to become Germany's lapdog in WWII.

except that that would be an extremely retarded claim, sure.

People get locked up here in the U.S for disagreeing all the time.

where does it say you lock them up? let me just say this, defeatocrats, lolz.

We are all white people over here? No Hispanics, Asians, or Africans here.

what the shit are you talking about? have you looked at the republican immigration policies lately?

Whoops, had to skip another one?

again, too lazy

Hyping-up? You honestly don't think Radical Islamists are a real threat? Remember Theo Van Gogh ?

oh yes, theres so much hype going on about the 'islamo-fascist threat' that starcraft 2 feels jealous.

This is just a fact of reality. Those who fight, survive. Those who do not, don't.


haha.

Hmm, I wonder why you don't have a "check" here, considering how much you seem to dislike the U.S.

if only i wouldnt be too lazy to google, damn you, laziness!

Where did this take place?

a recent example would be the retarded BS about house democrats wanting americans to die horribly instead of passing the telecom-immunity FISA bill.

Err, Ok Orson. Big Brother doesn't really exist, and I have yet to see any "Newspeak" that is sweeping the nation by storm. Better luck next time.

General John Abizaid, our top commander in the Middle East region, recently put it this way: "If we leave, they will follow us."

this is what i was talking about, i dont know if it really qualifies as newspeak, but what i meant was policy by bumper sticker.

We are discussing America, Not Sweden. Since you are fond of quotes, here's one for you:

You see the mote in your brother's eye, but you do not see the beam in your own eye. When you cast the beam out of your own eye, then you will see clearly to cast the mote from your brother's eye.





The treatment of the congress and the senate by Bush is a clear proving point of this point he made. Why is disagreeing with funding for the war or wanting to set a time table, "letting our soldiers die" In essence Bush accuses them of treason constantly for not giving him what he wants.

I may not be thrown in Prison for it, but it is considered treasonous to our president when there is a barrier placed in the path of the action he wishes to take. So members of Congress are now being thrown in jail?


There is a vast amount of hatred and racism towards Muslims, and Arabs in general in the United States. There is an exception to every rule, and everyone is not the same. However it is apparent in our media, and the highest levels of our government as well... Yes, we are expelling Muslims by the boatload. :rolleyes:
This should make you happy because you get to go back to your Persian Paradise, Jedd. Doesn't that make you happy?

Hyping up the Iraq War, WMD's that didn't exist... Al queda that didn't operate of Iraq until AFTER we invaded. Hyping up the Iran Nuclear case now, Hyping up the threat of Extremist Muslims on our homeland... Fact is there is a higher chance of me dieing in a lightning strike in Los Angeles, then being killed by a terrorist right now. Would you stand outside during a thunderstorm with a piece of iron in your hands? Did someone "Hyping-up" lightning strikes make you aware this sort of behavior wasn't conducive to contributing to the gene pool? Some of those dreaded Homeland Security measures might have actually worked, the same way going inside during a thunderstorm keeps you from getting struck. Too bad only the stories like WoW being monitored are the only ones that get press.

And throughout history, those that have fought have still not survived... Great Empires who fought have fallen. Not an excuse. Roll over and quit? Feel free to. I'll stand and fight, kkthks.



Once again, attacking the person and not his points... Anger and Insults... look at my sig. I wasn't angry nor insulting when I wrote that, merely curious as to why there wasn't a check mark there.


The President of the United States of America no longer represents the majority of the United States. According to recent polls, it is less then 35%. I think that is where this takes place. So, we should throw him out when his approval rating drops below 50% Popularity contest FTW?


Things change slowly... If we continue down this path, we will soon be what we claim we hate. So, if things change slowly, how will we soon become what we claim to hate? Is it slow? Or is it soon? Slowly, soon? Soon, it will be slow? /Boggle

Since you are fond of quotes, here's one for you:





So members of Congress are now bwing thrown in jail?


Yes, we are expelling Muslims by the boatload. This should make you happy because you get to go back to your Persian Paradise, Jedd. Doesn't that make you happy?

Would you stand outside during a thunderstorm with a piece of iron in your hands? Did someone "Hyping-up" lightning strikes make you aware this sort of behavior wasn't conducive to contributing to the gene pool? Some of those dreaded Homeland Security measures might have actually worked, the same way going inside during a thunderstorm keeps you from getting struck. Too bad only the stories like WoW being monitored are the only ones that get press.

Roll over and quit? Feel free to. I'll stand and fight, kkthks.



I wasn't angry nor insulting when I wrote that, merely curious as to why there wasn't a check mark there.


So, we should throw him out when his approval rating drops below 50% Popularity contest FTW?


So, if things change slowly, how will we soon become what we claim to hate? Is it slow? Or is it soon? Slowly, soon? Soon, it will be slow? /Boggle

wow... Such garbage!

So much for refuting and raising points, eh Jedd?

It's good debate though.

/laugh

So much for refuting and raising points, eh Jedd?

What points did you make to refute? lol

All you did was make sarcastic comments, and proved that the most extreme of things hasn't happened. I never argued it has happened, I argue that we are on the road to it slowly.

So there really is nothing to refute, and I won't waste my time.

Sixee - Please read The Road to Serfdom, by F.A. Hayek. I don't care so much that you are horribly wrong 99% of the time, but you seem to make zero effort to correct yourself or learn anything that doesn't go hand in hand with the beliefs you've already established as 'truth'.

Gotta love these Kool Aid right wingers..

Its okay to weaken any of our rights, except the 2nd Amendment.

L2, I didn't see Wiggo list 1 of the Bill of Rights in his List of Facism. Is there something I'm missing?

Is there something I'm missing

the fact that all of your remarks have been sarcastic, barely on the point, and highly disagreeable on many fronts.

i still dont get why you disagreed, can you please explain how america is closer to communism than fascism?

It's nowhere near either.....

It's nowhere near either.....

Ok Mr. Bush, We will agree with you since if we don't we are all traitors.

I don't know whether it's a blessing or a curse that both of you have not seen a truly facist leader emerge upon the world scene.

G.W. isn't competent enough to become a dictator, and it would be a cut in pay for Cheney.....