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Jensae1
05-03-2006, 05:55 PM
Yep (http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/05/03/moussaoui.verdict/index.html).

ALEXANDRIA, Virginia (CNN) -- Al Qaeda terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui should spend the rest of his life in prison for his role in the September 11, 2001, attacks on the United States, a federal jury decided Wednesday.
The nine men and three women returned their verdict on the seventh day of deliberations after reliving the September 11 attacks through weeks of harrowing testimony and evidence.

Jurors were stone-faced as the lengthy verdict form was read in court. Spectators, including some 9/11 family members, fell silent and Moussaoui showed no immediate reaction.

"America, you lost," Moussaoui stated, clapping his hands as he left the courtroom. "I won."

U.S. District Court Judge Leonie Brinkema will formally sentence Moussaoui Thursday at 10 a.m.

Jurors sent a note Wednesday afternoon indicating they had reached a verdict after 41 hours of deliberations. The jury had two choices -- death by injection or life in prison.

During the trial's monthlong penalty phase, jurors heard the voices of the doomed office workers at New York's World Trade Center calling 911 for help and listened to the first public playing of the cockpit voice recorder of United Airlines Flight 93.

They watched videos of victims leaping to their deaths from the flaming twin towers. They were shown images of charred remains found in the rubble of the trade center and at the Pentagon in northern Virginia, about 10 miles from the Alexandria courthouse where the trial was held.

And they twice heard from an unrepentant Moussaoui, who said he is willing to kill Americans "any time, anywhere." (Full story (http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/04/13/moussaoui.trial/index.html))



First 9/11 conviction in U.S.

Moussaoui, 37, a Frenchman of Moroccan heritage, is the first person convicted in the United States for his role in the attacks. Nearly 3,000 people died when hijacked passenger jets crashed into the trade center, Pentagon and a Pennsylvania field.

Although he was behind bars on September 11, Moussaoui pleaded guilty last year to terrorism conspiracy.

Three of the six conspiracy counts made him eligible for the death penalty: committing acts of terrorism transcending national boundaries, destroying aircraft and using planes as weapons of mass destruction.

The purpose of the eight-week trial was to determine Moussaoui's punishment. Jurors first found that Moussaoui's lies to federal investigators a month before the attacks furthered al Qaeda's plot and directly resulted in at least some 9/11 deaths, making the defendant eligible for execution. (Full story (http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/04/03/moussaoui.verdict/index.html))

In the trial's second phase, jurors weighed factors such as the heinousness of the crime and its impact on the victims' families against Moussaoui's background and mental health.

About 30 family members of 9/11 victims, along with attack survivors and emergency responders, described how their lives have been changed. One after the other, widows and widowers, fathers and mothers, brothers, sisters and friends shared heart-wrenching stories of loss.

Perhaps the trial's most dramatic moment came when prosecutors played the cockpit voice recorder from Flight 93. It made clear passengers' efforts to retake control of the aircraft before the hijackers crashed it outside Shanksville, Pennsylvania. (Full story (http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/04/12/moussaoui.trial/index.html))



Defense focuses on mental illness

Defense attorneys focused on Moussaoui's mental health, calling experts who diagnosed him as a delusional paranoid schizophrenic. The jury heard that Moussaoui's troubled family history includes two sisters and an abusive father who suffer from mental illness. (Full story (http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/04/18/moussaoui.trial/index.html))

Moussaoui's friends from France and England, where he earned a business school degree in the early 1990s, described a young man with a big smile who enjoyed life. But Moussaoui underwent a transformation, falling under the spell of Muslim radicals who targetedrecent converts such as him at a mosque in London's Brixton section, according to the defense.

"You could see the disdain on his face," said mosque chairman Abdul Haqq Baker in a videotape played for the jury. "He was very keen to implement whatever drive was given to him for jihad."

On the stand, Moussaoui said he knew in advance of the plan to hijack passenger jets and fly them into the World Trade Center. He said he was supposed to hijack a fifth plane and fly it into the White House with Richard Reid, known as the shoe bomber.

Reid is serving a life sentence for attempting to set off a bomb hidden in his sneakers on a flight from Paris, France, to Miami, Florida, that was safely diverted to Boston, Massachusetts.

A statement from Reid, backed up by the FBI, contradicted Moussaoui's testimony that the two men were supposed to hijack a plane together. (Full story (http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/04/21/moussaoui.trial/index.html))



Moussaoui shows no remorse

On the witness stand, Moussaoui displayed a complete lack of remorse for the 9/11 deaths, saying he was sorry only that the attacks weren't more lethal.

"I just wish it could have gone on the 12th, the 13th, the 14th, the 15th, the 16th, the 17th. We can go on and on," Moussaoui said. "Like they say, no pain, no gain."

His attorneys asked the jury not to give him the death penalty and make him an al Qaeda martyr.

September 11 family members rotated through the main courtroom observing the trial in six seats reserved for them three rows behind Moussaoui.

More family members watched the trial on a closed-circuit broadcast available elsewhere in the Alexandria courthouse and in federal courthouses in Manhattan and Long Island, New York; Newark, New Jersey; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; and Boston.

"I am convinced he's not crazy in the legal sense, in that he can, and does, distinguish right from wrong," said Hamilton Peterson, who attended the trial. His father and stepmother died aboard Flight 93.

"I do think he is sick in the evil sense," Peterson added. "He absolutely gets it, specifically, the 9/11 conspiracy he was a part of and his desire for American blood."

fildien
05-03-2006, 06:02 PM
Honestly part of me is glad b/c I think had we killed him it would have made him a martyr (sp) and that is what this prick wants more than anything. But part of me wishes I could do the deed of killing him myself. Either way, his days are numbered he won't last long in prison I hope.

Lleauric
05-03-2006, 06:05 PM
Thank God Saddam Hussein isnt in power any more!

Ibudin
05-03-2006, 06:34 PM
Its perfect. He will still die a horrible death in prison from some other inmate.

Taleren Bloodsong
05-03-2006, 06:46 PM
He won't die from another inmate. He's in solitary confinement for the rest of his life (which if you ask me would be worse than the death penalty). I hope he has to live another 75 years in that sort of condition, would serve him right.

Ibudin
05-03-2006, 07:11 PM
Actually ya your right, just saw it on nightly news. Super Max in Colorado is the worst, haha he won nothing. It is far worse to have virtually no human contact for the rest of his life than getting the death penalty.

Elemak the Enchanter
05-03-2006, 08:48 PM
Actually I hope he gets plenty of 'human contact' in prison.

Sixee
05-04-2006, 09:37 AM
I'm thinking he'll be drooling in 10 years. Either that or a raving lunatic.

Someone should slip him some pork before he croaks.

:D

Sanchek
05-04-2006, 09:40 AM
Either that or a raving lunatic.
I think that part is already a given.

fildien
05-04-2006, 09:41 AM
Actually I hope he gets plenty of 'human contact' in prison.

That is my hope too, solitary or not he still has to have some contact every once in a while with a guard. I hope they beat the shit out of him and he dies by swallowing his blood.

Fandros
05-04-2006, 09:46 AM
Saw a special on one of the Discovery channels on those Super Max prisons....


He didn't win jack....

Even hardened criminals ( read hard core gang members) absolutely hate the place. There are glass doors so they can't reach/talk to other cell members. The doors don't face one another so no elaborate sign language and their actions inside said cells is very controlled.


So this is very fitting imho, no sainthood for crazy eyed fool like him.

Fandros

Thormir
05-04-2006, 10:18 AM
I doubt the guy had any real involvement in 9/11. From what I've seen, he's too crazy even by terrorist standards. Who would trust him? He's just a sad wannabe who was hoping to be a martyr and is now talking tough on his way to prison to be forgotten, a footnote to history. He'll be rewording his victory speech after a couple months of staring at the grey walls.

Solitary cells measure 7 feet, 1 inch by 12 feet, 1 inch, but at least half the floor space is filled with fixtures. Other cells are 10 feet by 12 feet. About a third of the cells are for solitary confinement. Cell amenities currently include a concrete bed, an 18-inch-high, fixed-in-place concrete stool, a fixed writing shelf, knobless stainless-steel shower and a stainless-steel unit containing a seatless toilet and knobless wash basin.

Supermax prisoners live in virtual isolation and are rarely allowed out of their cells. Cameras and microphones record nearly everything they do. In the case of terrorist inmates, who often are imprisoned under special national security provisions, that can include conversations with lawyers.
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Varying levels of freedom are allowed at the prison, according to officials and attorneys. The most severe restrictions allow for only an hour outside each day. Many inmates spend as much as four to five hours outside their cells a day...But some convicted terrorist inmates have stopped going outside because of the required searches they must endure, said Kleinman, the attorney.
The place is nasty enough to serve as a bargaining chip in some cases:James Ujaama, a Denver-born man accused last year of trying to develop an al-Qaeda camp in Oregon, signed a plea bargain with federal prosecutors in April. Ujaama has secured a promise that he can serve his sentence in Washington, near his family, said his lawyer in Seattle, Robert Mahler. That is an example of Supermax's power as a "bargaining chip," Schmidt said.
Others incarcerated in Supermax are Ted Kaczynski (Unabomber), Terry Nichols, Robert Hanssen (FBI agent convicted of spying for Russia), Timothy McVeigh until his execution Richard Reid (the shoe bomber).

Mussaoui will be in fitting company, but he'll not enjoy it much.

Nanora
05-04-2006, 11:09 AM
Yeah I'm with you Fild. I'm glad they didn't give him death. That is what he wanted and it would have been a cause for someone somewhere. Now he can sit in his cell and rot. I hope they keep him in good health and he lives to the ripe old age of 125, with minimal human contact. Though a weekly beating, or bed mate by another one of the prisoners wouldn't upset me, and he can still live to 125.

akipt
05-04-2006, 01:44 PM
Who got the last words...

The sentencing Judge to Moussaoui:
"Mr. Moussaoui, when this proceeding is over, everyone else in this room will leave to see the sun ... hear the birds ... and they can associate with whomever they want," she said.

She went on: "You will spend the rest of your life in a supermax prison. It's absolutely clear who won."

And she said it was proper he will be kept away from outsiders, unable to speak publicly again.

"Mr. Moussaoui, you came here to be a martyr in a great big bang of glory," she said, "but to paraphrase the poet T.S. Eliot, instead you will die with a whimper."

At that point, Moussaoui tried again to interrupt her, but she raised her voice and spoke over him.

"You will never get a chance to speak again and that's an appropriate ending."

Brinkema sentenced Moussaoui to six life terms without the chance of parole.

She informed him of his right to appeal the sentence and said she would ask his court-appointed lawyers to file the required notice as a precaution before relieving them from the case. "I believe it would be an act of futility," she said of an appeal, "but you do have a right."

Fandros
05-04-2006, 01:48 PM
<3 for the Judge, truly inspiring and a reminder of justice's iron hand in a silk glove.

Fandros

Moglor
05-04-2006, 01:49 PM
How does his lawyers get pick? I'd think it would be hard to find someone willing to defend him not on the fact that it was a hard case to defend but of the fact I bet they might of gotten threats for defending a terrorist.

Roliel
05-04-2006, 02:00 PM
Is his lawyer a public defender?

akipt
05-04-2006, 02:43 PM
Yes, but the French (he being their national) tried to offer him help... he refused.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1145961275356&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Thormir
05-04-2006, 02:46 PM
Gerald Zerkin and Edward MacMahon were appointed (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,40775,00.html) by the Justice Dept to represent Moussaoui.

Bise
05-04-2006, 03:00 PM
But some convicted terrorist inmates have stopped going outside because of the required searches they must endure,

They decided not to go outside because of the searches ! haha! Can you say "cavity search"?

Nanora
05-04-2006, 03:10 PM
Gerald Zerkin and Edward MacMahon were appointed (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,40775,00.html) by the Justice Dept to represent Moussaoui.

Its a good thing that they didn't get Denny Crane and Alan Shore to defend him. :D If you watch Boston Legal you know, they always win.

Elemak the Enchanter
05-04-2006, 04:02 PM
Actually by 'human contact' I meant prison gang rape, but being beaten to death would be ok too...

Thormir
05-04-2006, 04:08 PM
Nah, I'd much rather see him live out his days wailing at the walls in impotent rage or weeping in despair at the prospect of endless incarceration, a hopeless and shallow existence until the last of his days. He's what? 33?

Death would be damn merciful, however it came about.

Fandros
05-04-2006, 04:16 PM
".....die with a wimper..."

Perfect


Fandros

Gulor Gularin
05-04-2006, 04:54 PM
I hear France is thinking about requesting he serve his time in a French prison. I'm not sure how I feel about that.

On one hand, French prisons are reputedly pretty nasty and the likelihood of unsolicited anal probing probably higher, but on the other hand I doubt they are as bleak as a supermax facility. The bastage deserves the worst we can provide under the law.

My gut tells me we should keep him here- that way we know he isn't getting contact with other jihadis.

Fandros
05-04-2006, 04:56 PM
He won't be turned over to France on any basis.

If they'd wanted to push for his extradition back to France I think it's likely they'd have asked/pushed/pleaded/whimpered/subsequently surrendered long before the trial was over.

Fandros

Thormir
05-04-2006, 05:14 PM
We'll keep him here. There's always the chance he knows something worthwhile, and once he realizes the truly bleak outlook of his life, there's the possibility of him giving it up in exchange for more pleasant conditions (like two hours outside the cell a day). Let France try him in absentia and send us a postcard with the results.

fildien
05-04-2006, 05:49 PM
Who got the last words...

I read that today and smiled :) And I certainly hope, nay I pray that the US doesn't let the French take him to serve his time there. I can hear now, hostage negotiations 20 years from now and on page 20 of my home town newspaper.... 9/11 terrorist sent to France to live out life sentence. I will be one pissed of Joe if they let him out of this country.

Ibudin
05-04-2006, 05:53 PM
Would be a cold day in hell we would let him go to France. I am still pissed the bastard got out the Yemen prison who blew up the U.S.S Cole. That guy should of been rotting in a US prison as well.

Bylimet Spiritwalker
05-04-2006, 06:14 PM
I really do not see a scenario in which he would be transferred to a French prison. At most, France could threaten to undermine Security Council votes. There is really little else that France has for leverage, and the lack of support in varied international "activities" has left the French government in a more impotent position with the American leadership.........doubtful there could be a "you scratch my back I'll scratch yours" agreement made on such a volatile subject.

fildien
05-04-2006, 07:42 PM
Would be a cold day in hell we would let him go to France. I am still pissed the bastard got out the Yemen prison who blew up the U.S.S Cole. That guy should of been rotting in a US prison as well.

Exactly the type of scenario I'm afraid of. They played that one so low and then said no it wasn't part of any deals. Yeah right, now we have what dipshit terrorists see as a bargaining chip. We better NEVER let him go. EVER.

Anterak
05-05-2006, 04:22 AM
I personnally think France's justice will never ask something that stupid.

First because it would take years to even get a "maybe", and second because it would probably harden US/French relations (which aren't at their best right now... *cough*) for one mother's feelings. I say if she really wants her son "closer", let her move to Florence, it's a nice and cosy place, great moutains view and stuff!

French news say that the request may be "examined" by justice.
Read "Thanks for the effort, E- for the ink".

My only hope for Moussaoui : Live for 70 more years mofo, and rot very slowly...