I think the post you made under the sad new topic was poor and distasteful. While i would never judge someone on their religious views, I just think that you made a comment on a post that was inappropriate. It speaks volumes for the type of person you are. Perhaps you should just find another place to post if that is the type of things we can expect from you. People were saddened by the loss of their friend and you choose to critisize them for it. You sir, are scum.

It was an expression of sadness, my own personal expression, sorry for snapping at you grey

I did not take your comment out of context. I just didnt think it was appropriate or had anything to do with the subject. You admittedly were wanting to start up a religious conversation in the middle of a thread like that. SO who is taking up needless bandwith (not that you actually care about that, then again i don't either)

You are right on one fact I should of sent you a PM first, but oh well...

I'm with 'ya on this one.

While I don't believe in God (per se) myself, someone elses berevement thread isn't a bright place to bring it up. Show some tact.

I took it in the "There is no god..." sad expession you use whenever something really bad happens. I don't think there was a ~tangible~ religious statement intended.

Innocent.

I, being agnostic, stated my belief that there IS NO GOD. I dont have to explain why i believe this, but when i heard what happened, the only thing that came to mind was "How could this divine being allow such a horrible thing happen."

Couple things.

Numero Uno- You are not agnostic. Agnosticism is a choice to refrain from choosing any form of religion either way because nothing is conclusive enough to be clearly superior and/or correct.

Numero Dos- You are an atheist, one who believes there is no and never has/will be a God.

Numero Tres- While I'm agnostic as well, your question of "How could a divine being allow such a horrible thing to happen?" is a horrible refutation of religion, and thus I"m having trouble comprehending the transition you made from condolences made by others to a declaration that God is nonexistant in a quite . Quite honestly, even though you don't have to, I'd really be interested in knowing your logical reasoning for saying God doesn't exist.


Do I think you did it to be rude/disrespectful? It can go either way, so I'll take your word for it. Just try to be careful on such a sensitive issue in the future please.

Also, if you want to make it a religious discussion, which you indicated you do, please delineate your reasoning for your claim.

I took it in the "There is no god..." sad expession you use whenever something really bad happens. I don't think there was a ~tangible~ religious statement intended.

Innocent.
That's exactly how I read it too.

I think some of you are jumping to conclusions. Relax a little.

Im with Zhen on this one also

I sure hate black people.

I'm telling! :(

You were supposed to start a whole new thread and call me a racist etc, Lark. I'm kind of dissappointed now :(

(p.s. I love black people fo weelz)

I'm with Zehn. Shit, even I use that expression occasionally and even if I can go on and on about religion being teh 3v1l, it's never meant to be in that context.

Methinks some people are being fairly oversensitive.

Oh and Daidal, someone who refrains from deciding whether or not a superior being existsat all is also an agnostic. Via your definition an agnostic would always to some extent be religious.

I used to be an Atheist, or Agnostic if you will, but then a friend turned me on to Wicca. It's actually pretty neat and makes sense in a lot of ways.

I have just started practicing, and am not an authority on it, but it is fun.

I thought it would be all spell casting and dancing naked, but it turns out, a lot of meditation and concentration is involved. So much for wild orgies. :(

So the text "There is no God" was in the middle of an item. Who cares.

Heh. Remember the days when it was against the rules to make a post specifically about someone?

Just sounds like you have yet to pick a path yet Dart

Sounds like he's picked one. Maybe it'll work, maybe it won't.

I'm rather fond of Wicca as religions go. As with Buddhism, it has a strong secular component in the midst of ritual and what passes for doctrine (just how secular depends on the sect and the individual of course). Most Wiccans I've known are charming people, pretty much like anybody else really.

Am I the only person on the board that loves Jesus and doesn't play RPG's that involve paper and dice?

If you loved Jesus, you'd not be having premarital sex. :rollin

Woo Dart, Blessed Be :)

Wicca has always been my second home, even though I'm not associated with a coven nor do I practice regularly anymore, and as the wheel of the year turns I especially feel drawn towards it as we move into and out of the dark time. I'm *definitely* one of those folks you might call a 'springtime pagan' :) .

I hope that your experience with the Old Religion is as rewarding for you as it was for me. Your experience in guilds in EQ should, curiously enough, serve you well in your communal work, especially when those nasty 'Second degree' type problems start cropping up in the group... ;)

Warm regards,
Nydia

Regarding the original topic of this thread, I did not take any offense at Zarkanin's statement - merely interpreted it as an expression of frustration and sorrow. But perhaps some sensitivity should have been considered there...

Amhorach has you there shew but then i also follow one of the pagan paths so....i dont really have to worry about that...and im married so the whole premarital thing does not apply to me

Wicca is just satan worship for pansies. =p

So I'm a sinner...

Thats the great thing about Christianity, theres an out for everything. Feel free to molest children, steal from homeless people, murder old ladies... repent and ye shall be forgiven! I think they put that in just for the priests myself...

Master Damoiel Mindbend
Retired Enchanter of the 60th Season

I think they put that in just for the priests myself...

hahaha

is it too late to call you racist and start a hate thread against you shew? :(

No, if you want I'll start a crusade against Canadians.

FUCK CANADA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1one!11!1

Shewdogg is a racist asshole! hes such a hater! 8o :x >: :hat

Lark hates white people!

who told?! DOWN WITH WHITEY!

Blah. Well since everyone is posting on religion, I wanna throw some spare change in the pot.

I personally am an athiest, and believe that religion serves multiple purposes. I believe that its foremost purpose is to be used as a system to control the masses, or common man (lets all go to mass and confess our sins you dirty whores).

We all have just this one life to do with as we please, are you gonna let it be controlled by a system that was created by another "imperfect" man? Bullshit I says, live to excess if you will because in the end you will be nothing but a rotting pile of flesh anyway. Who has the knowledge to contest that there is truly an afterlife, or a "creator"? No one. :rolleyes

We all have just this one life to do with as we please, are you gonna let it be controlled by a system that was created by another "imperfect" man? Bullshit I says, live to excess if you will because in the end you will be nothing but a rotting pile of flesh anyway. Who has the knowledge to contest that there is truly an afterlife, or a "creator"? No one.

So.. you also eschew the system of justice as crafted by the imperfect founders of this country? Breaking laws left and right or are you conforming to the rules and regulations of your respective country - and allowing yourself to be controlled by a system created by imperfect man? Even if you agree with the laws, you're allowing yourself to be "controlled".

To the true adherents to a religious system, it isn't any work to live within its guidelines- in fact, I'd argue that many could not envision a good life any other way.

So.. you also eschew the system of justice as crafted by the imperfect founders of this country? Breaking laws left and right or are you conforming to the rules and regulations of your respective country - and allowing yourself to be controlled by a system created by imperfect man? Even if you agree with the laws, you're allowing yourself to be "controlled".

To the true adherents to a religious system, it isn't any work to live within its guidelines- in fact, I'd argue that many could not envision a good life any other way.

Personally, I am an atheist. I've thought about all different forms of religion and none made any sense. Just as I think about the laws of my nation and conform to those that make sense. There are a few laws of my nation that I disagree with and habitually break.

Dextorr... are you confusing religion with religious organizations? Religion is not necessarily the controlling of the masses, organized religion could be.

I think it depends upon how you view the whole thing. If I chose not to drink, smoke or have illicit sex with someone I'm not married to, does mean I'm a religious fanatic? Or is that simply my way of life?

Going to church and participating in a service does not necessarily mean that I am "controlled" either. True, in the middle ages the church (Church of England I believe.. don't remember the history very well) DID control many aspects of everyday life. If you were not in service/mass/etc, you were a sinner and doomed to die and go to Hell.

On the other hand, those who believe in Jesus, Mohammad, Buddha, The Great Pumpkin, etc, do not necessarily have their life controlled. It simply means that they have chosen a path to follow and believe that they should conduct their day-to-day life according to certain values.

The Talmud, the Bible and any number of other books written that eschew the teachings of a particular sect or religion, for the most part are saying the same things. Treat people a certain way, don't do bad things, and you will have a happier life and (in most religions) a happy life hereafter.

The Agnostic neither denies or affirms the existence of God or any other Supreme Being, the Atheist says there is no God. That is my understanding of the terms.

*tosses his two coppers in the hat and puts on his fire resist gear before sitting down*

Just as I think about the laws of my nation and conform to those that make sense. There are a few laws of my nation that I disagree with and habitually break.

Lemme guess what you break there Jakkalla... Illegal drugs and sodomy??? WHAT A HUGE FUCKING SURPRISE!!!!111!!!!

Master Damoiel Mindbend
Retired Enchanter of the 60th Season