Jedd Corpse

Second half of 2008

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velvetsilence

Payed no attention to it all. when it launches i'll get it. mean while i'm still working on my earthshaker set and have crapload of Shadow moon quests to do.

Bylimet Spiritwalker

Vel, tell me you did not get implants!?!

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Live like it matters!

velvetsilence

ROFL, that would be my rogue for those Her's are real, they might not be her's, but there real!

Kelraz Bladesinger

No fucking way. Their target is November 2008, but like their last expansion it'll be well into 2009. And like their last expansion, you'll beat it all a month later except for all the raid content you'll need to do 20-100 times before you can move on to the next instance.

Binuven

But...but....who wouldn't want to raid with 24 Death Knights?

Or PvP with all Death Knights....

Or have a sexy party with all Death Knights....

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fildien

well to be fair the way EQ2 is now it's the same way... stupid fucking flagging you spend forever flagging people to move to the next tier

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Nurta <Shark Baby>
Mind Trick - Empire

Kelraz Bladesinger

Eh, I dunno about that.

Say your guild wants to start raiding. In WoW (for the last 9 months) you go to Karazhan with only 10 people (and the rest of your guild goes in another instance or waits). In EQ2 you had Thuuga, Pawbuster, Protector's Realm, as well as all of the outside contested mobs (WoW has 2 outdoor contested mobs Kazzak and Doomreaver but both are too difficult to do w/o having farmed Karazhan a ton). WoW did just add another 10-man instance, though that was only recently and I haven't played it. So yeah, you might have 2 dungeons now. Conversely, EQ2 released Hate which has content for all levels of guilds, so its a wash.

Then you move up the next tier. That would be Gruul's Lair which is 2 mobs and a steep gear-required curve for Gruul himself. Alternatively in Everquest you have Kor-Sha and Venril Sathir's Lair.

The third tier in WoW has 2 dungeons with plenty of content: Serpentshrine and whatever one Kael is in. However now you're pretty deep into gear requirements and its too late, you can't simply raid 1-2 nights a week and hope to make it this far.

WoW has much better and smoother gameplay and the leveling is a lot more fun, but when it comes to depth and replayability Everquest2 is leagues ahead.

Long story short, there's no casual raiding in WoW that will get past the first few zones, so you either casually raid Karazhan over and over or you raid "hardcore" in Karazhan 4 nights a week and Gruul's Lair 2 nights a week until your guild has enough gear to move on. But you have a member burn out and you have to poach geared members from other guilds OR go back and gear them up. Conversely in EQ2 we've taken folks who've never raided a day before in their life to fight Overking Selrach and Maestro of Rancor.

I'm not quite sure what flagging is needed, but I've raided 6 different zones so far and haven't needed a flag for any of them. I must assume its something much higher.

Jedd Corpse

They announced a lot of new info regarding WOTLK... For instance

All 25 man raids have a 10 man version. The loot in 25 mans is 1 tier above that of the 10 mans, and does not require doing the 10 mans to move to the 25 in any way including gear requirements.

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Beelziod

All "flaging" has been removed from Wow as of patch 2.4. There is heroic badge gear that rivals the best gear in the game Tier 6. Badges are gathered doing daily quest, Karahzan, 25 man dungeons or Herioc version of 5 man dungeons.

A casual could gather T6 quality gear doing 1-2 heroics a day for a couple months. Wow has dropped a lot of the requirements to appeal to the casual player.

The WoW you describe is not the same game I play.